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Why do people *expect* the pope to make the catholic church "modern"?

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The pope's duty is to ensure that the church is run the way that Jesus (therefore God) would have wanted it run. This means following the bible.

The catholic church can not and never will support homosexuality.

The catholic church can not support the use of condoms as a method of helping prevent AIDS or any other disease. (The only way they might support condom use is in a marriage - but that does nothing to stop the spread of AIDS here or anywhere else, not significantly at least)

As for not having female priests, I'm sure that's more of a "tradition" rather than being a rule. I'm sure this might eventually change, but I don't really know.

The religion doesn't change to make you people happy. It isn't about being convenient to you. It's about following the word of God.

PS. I'm not religious so don't even try telling me I'm some religious nutjob.
 
Simple. These people you're talking about who expect the Catholic church to change are not Catholics.
 
They don't, thats why they elected the most anal, conservative Pope they could find.

Besides, nobody really cares that isn't catholic. And anyone who is catholic, and disagree's with the church - needs to find a new faith. They're all the same any way. Christ died for you, how does eating wheat during lint have anything to do with that?
 
Originally posted by: CRXican
who cares, he'll be dead in no time just like the last one
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heh...Jean Paul II had a rein of 26 years. I would hardly call that short.

And this new Pope's rein will be much shorter. I admit. That's due to him already been so old.

God works in mysterious ways....he might just be the right person for the job right now.

Only time will tell.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Simple. These people you're talking about who expect the Catholic church to change are not Catholics.
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Excellent answer! Seems that people that want the most reform are those that don't practice the religion. Never understood that.
 
He was PJP's right hand man for 20+ years. He's conservative too, according to media reports, and will uphold the traditional values much like PJP. IIRC
 
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: Vic
Simple. These people you're talking about who expect the Catholic church to change are not Catholics.
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Excellent answer! Seems that people that want the most reform are those that don't practice the religion. Never understood that.
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it's because the practical people like us that don't get suckered into religion are tired of all the wacky Catholics running around that need to lighten the fvck up!
 
Originally posted by: Stefan
The pope's duty is to ensure that the church is run the way that Jesus (therefore God) would have wanted it run. This means following the bible.

The catholic church can not and never will support homosexuality.

The catholic church can not support the use of condoms as a method of helping prevent AIDS or any other disease. (The only way they might support condom use is in a marriage - but that does nothing to stop the spread of AIDS here or anywhere else, not significantly at least)

As for not having female priests, I'm sure that's more of a "tradition" rather than being a rule. I'm sure this might eventually change, but I don't really know.

The religion doesn't change to make you people happy. It isn't about being convenient to you. It's about following the word of God.

PS. I'm not religious so don't even try telling me I'm some religious nutjob.
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You're exactly right. Religion changes with the times because religion is man-made, not what the church was founded on. If you want to change the church, build your own because the original teachings haven't changed and never will (and shouldn't).
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Simple. These people you're talking about who expect the Catholic church to change are not Catholics.
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Perhaps a lot of them *would* be if "mortal" influence had not corrupted so many areas of being Catholic. It's not about modernizing as much as it is about correcting concepts which were backed by sound reasoning 1000 years ago but no longer hold water.
 
Originally posted by: CRXican
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: Vic
Simple. These people you're talking about who expect the Catholic church to change are not Catholics.
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Excellent answer! Seems that people that want the most reform are those that don't practice the religion. Never understood that.
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it's because the practical people like us that don't get suckered into religion are tired of all the wacky Catholics running around that need to lighten the fvck up!
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A bigoted and ignorant statement if I ever saw one.
 
What does it matter what the Pope or the Catholic Church believes? There are plenty of gods in plenty of religions on this planet to choose from.
Being harder to follow or stick with doesn't make one religion better than any other.
What makes the christian god better than the sun god? Power. Control. Size. And not of the god, but the followers.

 
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: Vic
Simple. These people you're talking about who expect the Catholic church to change are not Catholics.
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Excellent answer! Seems that people that want the most reform are those that don't practice the religion. Never understood that.
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I don't think that's necessarily true. There are a number of Catholics who feel like the Church should adjust its stance on a few issues. Most orthodox Catholics probably want the church to maintain the status quo, but as with all religions, Catholics come in many shapes and sizes.
 
Originally posted by: Stefan
The pope's duty is to ensure that the church is run the way that Jesus (therefore God) would have wanted it run. This means following the bible.

The catholic church can not and never will support homosexuality.

The catholic church can not support the use of condoms as a method of helping prevent AIDS or any other disease. (The only way they might support condom use is in a marriage - but that does nothing to stop the spread of AIDS here or anywhere else, not significantly at least)

As for not having female priests, I'm sure that's more of a "tradition" rather than being a rule. I'm sure this might eventually change, but I don't really know.

The religion doesn't change to make you people happy. It isn't about being convenient to you. It's about following the word of God.

PS. I'm not religious so don't even try telling me I'm some religious nutjob.
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Other than the part in bold, I agree with you. I'm not so sure Jesus would have taken everything in the Old Testament and said "you must follow this". Nor am I sure Jesus would fully approve of the Catholic religion as it is now.

That said, I personally detest the Catholic Church, and will never be a part of it.
 
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
WiFi hotspot in the alter and webcast mass!
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:laugh:

on that note, did you hear about the spy-proofing measures used to keep the media's eyes & ears out of the conclave? magnetic fields!? :Q
 
Why should the Catholic church to change? Because the world has changed we nolonger communicate by smoke signal we now do by email.
 
Originally posted by: Stefan
The pope's duty is to ensure that the church is run the way that Jesus (therefore God) would have wanted it run. This means following the bible.

The catholic church can not and never will support homosexuality.

The catholic church can not support the use of condoms as a method of helping prevent AIDS or any other disease. (The only way they might support condom use is in a marriage - but that does nothing to stop the spread of AIDS here or anywhere else, not significantly at least)

As for not having female priests, I'm sure that's more of a "tradition" rather than being a rule. I'm sure this might eventually change, but I don't really know.

The religion doesn't change to make you people happy. It isn't about being convenient to you. It's about following the word of God.

PS. I'm not religious so don't even try telling me I'm some religious nutjob.
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all nice and good.

But thats why i dont go to church, even as a catholic...THATS WHY 🙂


Edit: They might have a problem living and making rules like in 1245....too bad we have 2005 🙂
 
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