Why do people care about what Grover Norquist thinks?

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halik

halik

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I don't get it - Americans for tax reform has $12M of annual revenue, yet for some reason mass media portray him as the Jesus of all fiscal Policy.

For comparison sake, AEI is nearly 3x the size, CATO is 4x the size, Pew is like 20x the size. Why the hell is that guy even on the news as if he somehow matters and/or has a pull when it comes to dictating policy?
 
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yllus

yllus

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He did somehow get practically all Republicans in Congress to sign a silly pledge he's written.
 
halik

halik

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yllus said:
He did somehow get practically all Republicans in Congress to sign a silly pledge he's written.
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Yeah, but why the hell does he or the stupid pledge matter? You can get any politician to sign onto some populist drivel ("Nothing is more important than America's children"), but it is and should be inconsequential when it comes to Policy, much like his $10mio/yr nonprofit.
 
UberNeuman

UberNeuman

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halik said:
Yeah, but why the hell does he or the stupid pledge matter? You can get any politician to sign onto some populist drivel ("Nothing is more important than America's children"), but it is and should be inconsequential when it comes to Policy, much like his $10mio/yr nonprofit.
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You can see it's a reaction against President McBlackie Black.....

\Norquist is a putz..
 
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LegendKiller

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Because he has convinced a lot of people he is an acolyte of free markets. I use the religious undertones because the guy even side people are thinking "impure" thoughts.

Who the fuck is this guy? If I met him I wouldn't give two shits about saying that to his face. He is nobody but a single fanatic who thinks that he is better than any other single voter in this country. He thinks that the experiment in self rule is predicated upon it being self rule according to his own self, nobody else's.

That isn't a Republic, nor self rule, it is rule by the elite minority to think they can blackmail the elected self-rule officials into their own mold.
 
halik

halik

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LegendKiller said:
Because he has convinced a lot of people he is an acolyte of free markets. I use the religious undertones because the guy even side people are thinking "impure" thoughts.

Who the fuck is this guy? If I met him I wouldn't give two shits about saying that to his face. He is nobody but a single fanatic who thinks that he is better than any other single voter in this country. He thinks that the experiment in self rule is predicated upon it being self rule according to his own self, nobody else's.

That isn't a Republic, nor self rule, it is rule by the elite minority to think they can blackmail the elected self-rule officials into their own mold.
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Well that's kinda my point - he's just some fucking guy that runs a $10mio 503c. It's not like we're talking Koch brothers, Pritzker family and people like that with with real money, connections and influence. He's just some guy that for some reason acts and has mess media inflate this aura of somehow being of consequence. I really don't get why he's even part of the public discourse.
 
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UberNeuman

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Lemon law

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In some ways we can compare Grover Norquest to the pope of the Catholic Church in Europe circa the 15'th century.

Because if you were a European Christian at that time, you toed the line set by the pope in Rome or else. As the Pope could not only turn every religious hand against any doubter, the Pope could similarly command every European political leader to hand over the dissidenter.

As now Grover Norquest has set himself up as the pope of the GOP with a pledge of never raise taxes. And should just a few GOP members renounce their pledge, we can somewhat count on Grover basically burning such GOP dissenters at the stake.

But if large numbers of GOP members get together and raise some taxes to avoid a more draconian fiscal cliff, then Grover Norquest will go the same way as the Roman pope after protestant sects reached critical mass a century or better afterward.

In short ole Grover can't be a leader without almost a 100% GOP following. As Grover can scream crucify this that or the other GOP member, but when the GOP ignores Norquest, he can crawl back into the woodwork like the unelected and not invited the cockroach he is.
 
trenchfoot

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Norquist? Oh yeah, it's that fella who fancies himself a legend in his own mind, like.....like....Hitler, and Stalin, and Mussolini. You know, the kind of guys who led with iron fists, who used intimidation, fear and false bravado to create the fearful image they wielded with treachery, with inhumane ploys..... the kind of guys who got their way by using their unmitigated force of character to convince the weak minded and the sycophants to worship them and do their bidding. The kind of guys who convinced themselves that they were apex alpha males of all the other alpha males, right up to the moment they got their asses and their heads handed to them after they lost the veneer of superiority that reality shatters into so many broken dreams of power and grandeur.

Norquist. Just another candidate in a long line of........future forgottens from the annals of history.
 
monovillage

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Lemon law said:
In some ways we can compare Grover Norquest to the pope of the Catholic Church in Europe circa the 15'th century.

Because if you were a European Christian at that time, you toed the line set by the pope in Rome or else. As the Pope could not only turn every religious hand against any doubter, the Pope could similarly command every European political leader to hand over the dissidenter.

As now Grover Norquest has set himself up as the pope of the GOP with a pledge of never raise taxes. And should just a few GOP members renounce their pledge, we can somewhat count on Grover basically burning such GOP dissenters at the stake.

But if large numbers of GOP members get together and raise some taxes to avoid a more draconian fiscal cliff, then Grover Norquest will go the same way as the Roman pope after protestant sects reached critical mass a century or better afterward.

In short ole Grover can't be a leader without almost a 100% GOP following. As Grover can scream crucify this that or the other GOP member, but when the GOP ignores Norquest, he can crawl back into the woodwork like the unelected and not invited the cockroach he is.
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He has long been active in building bridges between various ethnic and religious minorities and the free-market community through his co-founding of the Islamic Free Market Institute,[35] and his involvement with Acton Institute, Christian Coalition and Toward Tradition.[citation needed]

In 2010, Norquist, whose wife was born into a Muslim family, emerged as an outspoken Republican foe of politicizing the mosque-in-Manhattan issue
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Yeah, he's a real loser, i'm glad the asshole is on his way out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Norquist
 
WhipperSnapper

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The Republican base, filled with Joe-the-Retarded-Plumber types who abhor taxing the rich, sure seems to think it's important.
 
sportage

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Grover is sure stuck on himself.
Im sure he sends himself flowers every day with a card "TO MY LOVE".

He reminds me of Karl Rove and fox news election night 2012.
He's right... You're wrong. Period.
Even after he loses the case, he still is right. Period.
If Grover believed the earth was flat, no air plane trip nor space travel adventure would convince him differently.
The earth would still be flat, and you are wrong. Period.
 
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Mursilis

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halik said:
Well that's kinda my point - he's just some fucking guy that runs a $10mio 503c. It's not like we're talking Koch brothers, Pritzker family and people like that with with real money, connections and influence. He's just some guy that for some reason acts and has mess media inflate this aura of somehow being of consequence. I really don't get why he's even part of the public discourse.
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Maybe some people in the press like to find the most stupid, clownish members of the opposition to put in front of the microphone and make the whole side look bad? That's the only way to explain why that guy is on TV.
 
Atreus21

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I don't see what's so horrible about the man. Considering the size of the federal government and its propensity to spend well in excess of its revenue year in and year out, I can see a good argument against raising taxes by a dime.

I think it was an quite an achievement to get so many republicans to sign his pledge. Considering his general lack of resources as compared to other political forces, he sure has generated some clout.
 
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Ausm

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Atreus21 said:
I don't see what's so horrible about the man. Considering the size of the federal government and its propensity to spend well in excess of its revenue year in and year out, I can see a good argument against raising taxes by a dime.

I think it was an quite an achievement to get so many republicans to sign his pledge. Considering his general lack of resources as compared to other political forces, he sure has generated some clout.
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He's not are revolting as the Turd blossom is but close!
 
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