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why do people bash HP/Compaq computers here so much?

amdguy

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I understand that most people here swear by custom built computer and would cannibalize any memebers who buys a ready built computer.

From work i got a free computer is which is a compaq AMD XP3200 based system.

Looking at the components, it ain't that bad,

the HD is 200GB seagate 7200.7
ASUS KT400A mobo
1 GIG or Micron RAM
HP DVD 400I writer
the only down side is the limited bios adjustment (no OC)

so why do people hate them so much
 
another reason is that it most likely has no way to adjust memory latency. and, as scottswinglecomputers said, proprietary parts are too damn expensive. and they have no reason to use them other than to make us buy replacement parts from them. however, if you got an xp3200+ for free, i would say that it is a good deal.
 
One more word: Spyware. If you're near a news stand, pick up a copy of PC-world and read the article on the very last page. It's copyright material or I'd scan & post it. This makes even Dell look good...
 
Cuz they suck. 😛

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
Two words: Proprietary Parts

But for free... that is like free beer. Can't complain when it's free. As for your PC, once you build your own you will never ever want a pre-built pc again. Read, learn, build. You'll never be the same. 🙂

 
Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
Two words: Proprietary Parts

nice reply, now go look at your own site. You say you sell AMD and Intel yet you dont have any Intel processors, you list Abit and Asus (what do you know the same brand that is in the Compaq) yet dont list what model motherboards you use, and its not clear what brand memory you use, those Maxtor hard drives are quite popular but I think Seagate (what is in that Compaq) are typically considered better drives. Lets not forget optical drives, I can't seem to find what brand you use...

All this and you think Compaq is bad, looks like your computers have about as many "Proprietary Parts" and maybe even lower quality.



 
Proprietary parts are parts that are difficult to replace. They don't refer to brands.
For example, in the past (don't know the situation now), non-XPS dell systems came with a 250w psu with wiring that was Dell-specific. The only way you could replace that psu would be to go to www.pcpowerandcooling and buy a more expensive one, or get an adapter for a psu. However, a lot of Dell owners had to modify their cases because some ATX psus would not fit properly in the case. There were various other problems encountered as well.
 
i don't think the parts are proprieta

the mobo is ASUS A7V8X-LA (3 PCI, 1 AGP)
the DVD writer is the regular HP DVD 400i which could be bought anywhere.
the HD is standard seagate 7200.7

the RAM i checked again, its 2 GB lol... running at DDR333. It is MT ram, i thing it is Micron's OEM ram.

other than the castrated BIOs, everything else is quiet good, the system is very quiet and has many memory card reader in the front.

i forgot what brand the pSU is, it is a 300W Henbro or something.
 
Anyone who knows much about computers won't sit here and say they truly are bad computers. Their mid-range/high end systems use the exact same P4C/E's and AMD 64s that we use. They use DDR 3200 memory (though they probably use cheaper quality, it is not "bad"). The hard drives are probably 8 meg cache. As far as optical drives, something tells me they use HPs, which are overpriced, but not bad.

Component-wise, for the most part it is the exact same computers we all build ourselves. If you took all the components out of the admittedly crappy case, put them in say... an Antec, and magically turned the PSU and mobo into standard ATX parts, wipe the drive and reinstall XP from scratch, you have a pretty good computer. The appearance of crappiness lies in the software bundled and the proprietary parts, remove them and it's not that bad.

The budget systems are in fact crap, but that is because they are... budget systems with bad hard drives, slow ram, Celeron processors, and preloaded crap software. They're $300, of course it if going to be crappy, but that can't be compared to a $3000 high end computer which they also sell. I work at a computer specialty store and we do repair, commonly spyware/viruses, and 80% of the time it's a Dell/Gateway/HP. The users of those computers aren?t the most computer literate people in the world and will install anything and never renew antivirus subscriptions. It's those systems and users that really give those companies a bad image. In my store, I am shocked at how many people commonly mistake software problems for being a "bad computer."

Laptops on the other hand are a different story, now days those have to be intelligently engineered and using components meant for a laptop (meaning no AMD64/P4), proper cooling technologies, quality batteries, and god, just make the 4200 rpm drive obsolete.
 
Originally posted by: DGath
Anyone who knows much about computers won't sit here and say they truly are bad computers. Their mid-range/high end systems use the exact same P4C/E's and AMD 64s that we use. They use DDR 3200 memory (though they probably use cheaper quality, it is not "bad"). The hard drives are probably 8 meg cache. As far as optical drives, something tells me they use HPs, which are overpriced, but not bad.

Component-wise, for the most part it is the exact same computers we all build ourselves. If you took all the components out of the admittedly crappy case, put them in say... an Antec, and magically turned the PSU and mobo into standard ATX parts, wipe the drive and reinstall XP from scratch, you have a pretty good computer. The appearance of crappiness lies in the software bundled and the proprietary parts, remove them and it's not that bad.

The budget systems are in fact crap, but that is because they are... budget systems with bad hard drives, slow ram, Celeron processors, and preloaded crap software. They're $300, of course it if going to be crappy, but that can't be compared to a $3000 high end computer which they also sell. I work at a computer specialty store and we do repair, commonly spyware/viruses, and 80% of the time it's a Dell/Gateway/HP. The users of those computers aren?t the most computer literate people in the world and will install anything and never renew antivirus subscriptions. It's those systems and users that really give those companies a bad image. In my store, I am shocked at how many people commonly mistake software problems for being a "bad computer."

Laptops on the other hand are a different story, now days those have to be intelligently engineered and using components meant for a laptop (meaning no AMD64/P4), proper cooling technologies, quality batteries, and god, just make the 4200 rpm drive obsolete.

this man speaks the truth. Priprietary parts, integrated parts, bad cooling, unoptimized, preinstalled software, and a system geared towards marketing rather than a well-balanced system with no bottlenecks. But if you buy their high end stuff, than they put in many of the same components that we would normally buy on our own, however, at a rediculously high price, and still a a crappy case/ crappy cooling/ horrible software package.
 
still, i didn't find any proprietary part in that compaq and it can be considered high-end i suppose. It has a 8Mb cache on the HD, the cooling systems is excellent and it is quiet than my laptop lol and there is no overheating whatsoever.

I sticked in a 128MB Geforce4 TI4200 in that system and my dad do high end CAD and 3D Simulation software on it.

i agree that the OS is installed with too much crap.

I wouldn't say the cooling is bad, I just wish my own desktop is that quiet lol
 
I don't think my HP has proprietary parts. I've replaced quite a lot of it. I can't think what is proprietary.
 
It used to be proprietary and their servers still are for design concerns. However their is plenty of expansion that can be done. Back in the day memory was a big thing to have proprietary and there wasn't much of a standard.
 
as for vendors, i like hp better then gateway, toshiba, ibm, sony, dell, and etc. i build all my comps, but when it comes to laptops or wutever, hp and apple are my friends. 🙂
 
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