Why Do People Act Like the Tea Party Owns the House of Representatives?

[sunzt]

Speaking of ignorance. Under their definition of a "social program", everybody benefits from a govt social program.

Student loans is a social program?
GI Bill is a social program?
Tax credits are now social programs?

Uh huh

Student loans to facilitate the costs of higher education and thus create a more educated workforce. The government is promoting people who normally couldn't afford college to go into college rather than just work right after college.

GI Bill to incentivize joining the military and getting education. Don't have the cash for college? Join the military and after you serve, the gov will give you $$$$ to achieve our other objective of having a more educated workforce (see student loans)

Mortgage Interest deductions to promote and facilitate more home ownership. Think you can't afford a house? With a mortgage interest deduction, the gov will allow you to reduce the cost of home ownership so now homes are more appealing to people with lower incomes. However, it primarily benefits people with huge mortgages that may not necessarily have poor owners.

If you haven't noticed, the tax system has been used by gov to promote gov agenda, initiatives, as well as social programs.

 

[Genx87]

Student loans to facilitate the costs of higher education and thus create a more educated workforce. The government is promoting people who normally couldn't afford college to go into college rather than just work right after college.

GI Bill to incentivize joining the military and getting education. Don't have the cash for college? Join the military and after you serve, the gov will give you $$$$ to achieve our other objective of having a more educated workforce (see student loans)

Mortgage Interest deductions to promote and facilitate more home ownership. Think you can't afford a house? With a mortgage interest deduction, the gov will allow you to reduce the cost of home ownership so now homes are more appealing to people with lower incomes. However, it primarily benefits people with huge mortgages that may not necessarily have poor owners.

If you haven't noticed, the tax system has been used by gov to promote gov agenda, initiatives, as well as social programs.

That doesnt make a "social" entitlement program. Student loans are not foregiveable even in bankruptcy. GI bill and other veteren benefits is a term of employment. Tax credits allow me to keep "my" money. Allowing me to keep 75 instead of 70 of 100 dollars isnt a social program.

Like I said, under a list like that everybody is hooked on social programs. We all drive on roads. It is a social program to allow us to drive between locations!

 

[sunzt]

That doesnt make a "social" entitlement program. Student loans are not foregiveable even in bankruptcy. GI bill and other veteren benefits is a term of employment. Tax credits allow me to keep "my" money. Allowing me to keep 75 instead of 70 of 100 dollars isnt a social program.

Like I said, under a list like that everybody is hooked on social programs. We all drive on roads. It is a social program to allow us to drive between locations!

Well everyone is taking advantage of multiple government programs one way or another. There's a difference between a social program and a social entitlement program. But they are both social programs; programs instituted by government being paid for with tax dollars (or the forgoment of tax dollars you would otherwise normally be paying) to achieve specific social (societal) objectives as determined by government.

Tax credits can be used in this category. If everyone else is supposed to pay x% as mandated by law, but because you took advantage of y program the law will relive you of your legal obligation to pay part of your x% in tax. It's really the same as having you still pay your legally obligated x% in tax and then having the gov paying you part of the x% back for participating in y program.

 

[zinfamous]

because today's conservatives have no spine.

 

[wuliheron]

Because the republican party is seriously divided. At least 20% of the US are tea party members and (guess what!) they don't vote democrat. That's a sizable minority of the party not to mention all the republicans who have some sympathy with tea party. Either the republican party bows to their every demand or they concede the field to the democrats.

 

[jman19]

Boehner is either bad at his job or spineless. Maybe a little bit of both.

 

[her209]

Boehner should change his bill so that it'll get Democratic votes.

There's 193 Democrats and all he'd need to get to 216/217 is 23/24 Republicans. Plus it'll make it through the Democratically-controlled Senate easier too.

 

[trenchfoot]

I give credit where credit is due. The Tea Party has been anointed by the uber rich to be their attack dogs....their cannon fodder.....their suicide bombers.

And they do their job so well it seems. The new crop of Tea Party legislators don't have much to lose and a free ticket to Heaven or Corporate Bliss (whichever is of higher value) with sidekick benefits for their sacrifices, so.....what the heck eh?

Go forth with Scripture of the Holy Second Amendment in one hand and trigger in the other and spread the gospel like shrapnel from a well-designed IED ye spawn of Beck and Limbaugh.

 

[wuliheron]

Boehner is either bad at his job or spineless. Maybe a little bit of both.

Boehner has done his job very well. The US debt to the banks that support the republican party is larger then ever. If you thought the banks were too large to be allowed to fail now they are even larger. At best some sort of last minute compromise will be reached which will barely begin to balance the budget allowing the banks to cash in even more and depriving Obama of any claim to balancing the budget. No matter what happens next he has won some serious victories for the people who support him with money and not just votes.

 

[wuliheron]

I give credit where credit is due. The Tea Party has been anointed by the uber rich to be their attack dogs....their cannon fodder.....their suicide bombers.

And they do their job so well it seems. The new crop of Tea Party legislators don't have much to lose and a free ticket to Heaven or Corporate Bliss (whichever is of higher value) with sidekick benefits for their sacrifices, so.....what the heck eh?

Go forth with Scripture of the Holy Second Amendment in one hand and trigger in the other and spread the gospel like shrapnel from a well-designed IED ye spawn of Beck and Limbaugh.

Its the modern corporate reality baby. Lifetime employment and loyalty to ideals is a Japanese thing. We want flexible people fast on their feet and going for the quick fast buck.

 

[Fern]

Speaking of ignorance. Under their definition of a "social program", everybody benefits from a govt social program.

Student loans is a social program?
GI Bill is a social program?
Tax credits are now social programs?

Uh huh

Yeah.

Oh, and you left out that govt social program they called "home mortgage interest deduction". WTH?

Fern

 

[her209]

Speaking of ignorance. Under their definition of a "social program", everybody benefits from a govt social program.

Student loans is a social program?
GI Bill is a social program?
Tax credits are now social programs?

Uh huh

I thought that was the whole argument against social programs: Why does person A get something while person B doesn't?

Why should a single person who earns X dollars per year be taxed differently than a single person who earns the same amount per year but has a kid or two, has a mortgage, has student loans, etc.?

 

[Lemon law]

What a thread question, "Why Do People Act Like the Tea Party Owns the House of Representatives?

Because in fact they do as Moving Target also said. Yet in a 535 member US legislative branch the tea party from la la land compromises less than 20%. Yet they think and are allowed to think by weeping John Boenher that they have a right to have veto ideology powers.

Yet the looming disaster is losing a triple AAA plus US credit rating, and even if the question is resolved by 8/2/2100, it now looks like tea party clowns have made it certain that the US credit rating will fall to 2A if not lower. Which means the cost of servicing the US debt will rise a great deal. Making the US budget problems far worse.

When the American people tumble to that reality, with luck Boehner and his ilk will maybe escape immediately being hung from the nearest lamp posts, but come 11/2011 its very unlikely that any of them can be reelected to any job better than dog catcher.

But Boehner and his ilk are on a mission from God, just like Ossama Bin Laden, Jim Jones, David Koresh, and other fanatic.

 

[jman19]

Boehner has done his job very well. The US debt to the banks that support the republican party is larger then ever. If you thought the banks were too large to be allowed to fail now they are even larger. At best some sort of last minute compromise will be reached which will barely begin to balance the budget allowing the banks to cash in even more and depriving Obama of any claim to balancing the budget. No matter what happens next he has won some serious victories for the people who support him with money and not just votes.

So I guess he's just spineless?

 

[wuliheron]

So I guess he's just spineless?

Not at all. He's going for the only things his minority can accomplish. The more money he funnels to the wealthy the more money they will donate to the tea party and the larger they can grow. Money is what makes D.C. go round, its what funds campaigns and talk shows and Fox news and Rush Limbaugh. If you don't have the support of the people you better have some serious cash if you intend to get anything in D.C.