Why do men get paid more? Because they complain, study says....

[steppinthrax]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20030873/

This is pretty interesting. I always thought this was a factor other then discrimination.

 

[piasabird]

Men dont quit their jobs to have babies, or when they get married. This might have something to do with it.

 

[zephyrprime]

That was very interesting.

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Men dont quit their jobs to have babies, or when they get married. This might have something to do with it.

They said though that they tracked women who never took maternaty leave or any of the leave women commonly take in response to a child or domestic matters and they still make 11% less then men....

 

[jackace]

I once heard a quote by a major business man in Europe, (sorry can't remember name but it was on nightly TV news) he said, a competent business man, in his right mind, would never hire a women of child bearing age for obvious reasons.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Men dont quit their jobs to have babies, or when they get married. This might have something to do with it.

Bingo. As men we are expected (and do) work right out of high school and college, and work until we're 65 or whatever. Women dont. Why arent there more women who are CEO's at fortune 500 companies? It certainly isnt because they arent qualified. It's because they arent willing to put the time in. Period.

Of course there are exceptions. But generalities are generally true.

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: piasabird
Men dont quit their jobs to have babies, or when they get married. This might have something to do with it.

Bingo. As men we are expected (and do) work right out of high school and college, and work until we're 65 or whatever. Women dont. Why arent there more women who are CEO's at fortune 500 companies? It certainly isnt because they arent qualified. It's because they arent willing to put the time in. Period.

Of course there are exceptions. But generalities are generally true.

Yeah, on average men work more but there are still plenty of women who work full time for their entire adult lives so your theory can't explain the hugely lopsided number of men in the ceo's chair.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: piasabird
Men dont quit their jobs to have babies, or when they get married. This might have something to do with it.

Bingo. As men we are expected (and do) work right out of high school and college, and work until we're 65 or whatever. Women dont. Why arent there more women who are CEO's at fortune 500 companies? It certainly isnt because they arent qualified. It's because they arent willing to put the time in. Period.

Of course there are exceptions. But generalities are generally true.

Its because of discrimination. Look at Wal-Mart. A few years ago, many managers were sued for promoting their kind, males, even though there were many qualified females that wanted the jobs. Wal-Mart thankfully adressed this issue, and hopefully, people will learn as time goes on that females won't take no for an answer.

 

[Pacemaker]

http://blogher.org/node/15829

I always found the fact that a majority of men (55-60% depending on the study 57% in this one) negotiate for a higher salary when hired, but only a tiny percentage of women (<10% in every study I've seen and 7% in this one) do. I think this more than anything causes the differences between pay of men and women.

Because most companies give raises based on a percentage of current wage, starting lower makes you get lower increases further increasing the difference.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Pacemaker
http://blogher.org/node/15829

I always found the fact that a majority of men (55-60% depending on the study 57% in this one) negotiate for a higher salary when hired, but only a tiny percentage of women (<10% in every study I've seen and 7% in this one) do. I think this more than anything causes the differences between pay of men and women.

Because most companies give raises based on a percentage of current wage, starting lower makes you get lower increases further increasing the difference.

I guess you didn't read the second page of the link in the OP: It indicated that women who negotiate for higher pay are perceived as being "less nice" by both male and female co-workers. Whereas men who negotiate are perceived negatively by only female co-workers.

So the work relationships of women who negotiate may suffer more than those of men who do so.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: piasabird
Men dont quit their jobs to have babies, or when they get married. This might have something to do with it.

Bingo. As men we are expected (and do) work right out of high school and college, and work until we're 65 or whatever. Women dont. Why arent there more women who are CEO's at fortune 500 companies? It certainly isnt because they arent qualified. It's because they arent willing to put the time in. Period.

Of course there are exceptions. But generalities are generally true.

Yeah, on average men work more but there are still plenty of women who work full time for their entire adult lives so your theory can't explain the hugely lopsided number of men in the ceo's chair.

Way to dismiss what I said about genralities. Nice troll post.

I would bet the number of women who obtain the credentials needed to be a CEO, AND who work their entire lives at the expense of family, is directly proportionate to the number of female CEO's.

Nice try though.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: piasabird
Men dont quit their jobs to have babies, or when they get married. This might have something to do with it.

Bingo. As men we are expected (and do) work right out of high school and college, and work until we're 65 or whatever. Women dont. Why arent there more women who are CEO's at fortune 500 companies? It certainly isnt because they arent qualified. It's because they arent willing to put the time in. Period.

Of course there are exceptions. But generalities are generally true.

Its because of discrimination. Look at Wal-Mart. A few years ago, many managers were sued for promoting their kind, males, even though there were many qualified females that wanted the jobs. Wal-Mart thankfully adressed this issue, and hopefully, people will learn as time goes on that females won't take no for an answer.

uh...so youre taking one specific example and promoting it as fact across the board?

And we arent talking about managers. We're talking about executives. (well, part of this thread anyway) Huge differences.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: piasabird
Men dont quit their jobs to have babies, or when they get married. This might have something to do with it.

Bingo. As men we are expected (and do) work right out of high school and college, and work until we're 65 or whatever. Women dont. Why arent there more women who are CEO's at fortune 500 companies? It certainly isnt because they arent qualified. It's because they arent willing to put the time in. Period.

Of course there are exceptions. But generalities are generally true.

Its because of discrimination. Look at Wal-Mart. A few years ago, many managers were sued for promoting their kind, males, even though there were many qualified females that wanted the jobs. Wal-Mart thankfully adressed this issue, and hopefully, people will learn as time goes on that females won't take no for an answer.

uh...so youre taking one specific example and promoting it as fact across the board?

And we arent talking about managers. We're talking about executives. (well, part of this thread anyway) Huge differences.

Well, you need to move up the chain of command, and even at the lowest levels there is discrimination. Some peopel can't accept a female as their boss.

 

[steppinthrax]

I think in a way if any discrimination is involved this comes from stereotypes. Stereotypes ==> Discrimination. If women feel threatened to speak their mind about their wage increase people will feel most women are like this. I for example at my job rarely take vacation. My boss gets used to this and he is surprised if I ever take any. Sometimes he will question why I did take vacation. When my co-worker takes vacation all the time (my boss is used to). There is a double standard that exists between men and women. Women want to be treated as equally as men but I don?t think that will ever happen. Men are perceived as the bread winner the person who is supposed to ?bring home the bacon?. You are a weaker man if you can?t do this. A lot of women feel this the same as well. Until these generalizations are gone they manifest these type of wage disparities between men and women.

 

[dyna]

I haven't seen the inequality in my engineering profession. I will say however that I do believe education methods have changed to favor women. There seems to be more emphasis on writing/reading overall.