Why do lowly paid essential workers come to work instead of taking employment (state + Federal $600)?

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paperfist

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No they really don't, they just have to say it and if it's wrong you need to fight it further and it's a long drawn out process.

That's what I meant. I have an employee that just failed to return to work (vehicle problems) and she filed. I had to prove she voluntarily quit and apparently the NYS DoL didn't like my proof so she's collecting. With Corona she hit the jackpot.

ummm no! You have to prove you quit!!

Not in NYS. Of course I don't get to see what they submit on their end. The paperwork I get says I have to prove why they voluntarily quit.
 

BUTCH1

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ummm no! You have to prove you quit!!
I filed in 2014, unemployment will send your previous employer a "separation" questionnaire, if you were laid off or furloughed you automatically qualify, if you were terminated you may still qualify, it depends on the reason and your disciplinary record at your employer.The agent for UC then asks for statements from both parties as to the nature of the separation then makes a decision based on the information gathered. Both sides have a right to an appeal if the decision goes the other way, this would be an informal hearing that can be represented by legal counsel. Voluntarily quitting is a disqualification -unless- the work was dangerous or possibly you were asked to do something really way outside what you were hired for. Now, as for the COV-19 event, it will be interesting to see how these cases pan out, I for one, would not like to be working in a busy retail location right now, a valid case might be being asked to work without proper PPE. I've heard some of the healthcare workers were told if they complain about conditions they will be terminated, again, some of these will probably wind up in a hearing, I don't see how you can ask anyone to work in a hospital without proper PPE when a very infectious and dangerous is sweeping the country.
 

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That's what I meant. I have an employee that just failed to return to work (vehicle problems) and she filed. I had to prove she voluntarily quit and apparently the NYS DoL didn't like my proof so she's collecting. With Corona she hit the jackpot.



Not in NYS. Of course I don't get to see what they submit on their end. The paperwork I get says I have to prove why they voluntarily quit.

I can tell you that what you have described is not normal. How many days did the your employee miss. Did they make contact and give you a date when they would return? If so how many days would they miss? How long had you employed this person? Did the employee ever notify you in writing that they would no longer return to work? It should like this person should've gone through your termination process. If you run a mickey mouse operation and don't document things that inst the states fault.
 
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That's what I meant. I have an employee that just failed to return to work (vehicle problems) and she filed. I had to prove she voluntarily quit and apparently the NYS DoL didn't like my proof so she's collecting. With Corona she hit the jackpot.



Not in NYS. Of course I don't get to see what they submit on their end. The paperwork I get says I have to prove why they voluntarily quit.
The process has a lot of variation from state to state, here in FL they usually side with the employer, of course we had Republican D-bag Rick Scott as governor for 8 years so he made it very difficult. Knowing a lot of filers do not have a proper sit-down computer they devised an hour+ long "skills assessment test" as part of the application process, a useless flash-based questioner that liked to routinely crash and progress could not be saved. No mobile app either, that meant filers who had to use computers at the local library often were not successful completing the "assessment" since once your hour is up, someone else gets to use it. The max is $275/Wk and the amount of weeks was tied to the unemployment rate.
 
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That's what I meant. I have an employee that just failed to return to work (vehicle problems) and she filed. I had to prove she voluntarily quit and apparently the NYS DoL didn't like my proof so she's collecting. With Corona she hit the jackpot.
how did car problems get lumped into corona virus?
 
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Two reasons. One of course is the eligibility status. In my state at least, one cannot get UE if you voluntarily quit or are fired for cause. How that will pan out in the current crisis is to be seen. For instance, my grandson works with the Geek Squad for Best Buy. He is on paid furlough now, but BB is considered essential, and if they ask him to come back to work before the stay at home order is lifted, not sure what would happen if he refused. (He has a congenital heart defect, but none of the traditional conditions consider risk factors that would qualify him to stay at home due to Corona.)

Second, is the worker may simply consider that it is his duty, and that (s)he is willing to accept the risk for the good they are doing.
 

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how did car problems get lumped into corona virus?

I was speaking of unemployment and the additional weekly boost to earnings that corona has created.


I can tell you that what you have described is not normal. How many days did the your employee miss. Did they make contact and give you a date when they would return? If so how many days would they miss? How long had you employed this person? Did the employee ever notify you in writing that they would no longer return to work? It should like this person should've gone through your termination process. If you run a mickey mouse operation and don't document things that inst the states fault.

She’s missed from the end of November till now. No.
Employed 6 months.
NYS is an at will work state. You don’t need to provided a reason to quit. Do people ever tell the truth as to why they are quitting anyway?

Everything is documented, but it’s still your word against theirs.

Have you ever been through an unemployment hearing? If they dint answer the phone when the judge calls he reschedules. If you dint answer they win.
 
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zzyzxroad

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I was speaking of unemployment and the additional weekly boost to earnings that corona has created.




She’s missed from the end of November till now. No.
Employed 6 months.
NYS is an at will work state. You don’t need to provided a reason to quit. Do people ever tell the truth as to why they are quitting anyway?

Everything is documented, but it’s still your word against theirs.

Have you ever been through an unemployment hearing? If they dint answer the phone when the judge calls he reschedules. If you dint answer they win.
If your business it to small to hire an HR person full time get a consultant to help you. Someone hasn't not quit if you don't have it in writing. I do not work in HR but have worked with HR teams on countless occasions. This employee did not quite and should have gone through your company's termination process long before now.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Every State handles unemployment differently. In many States, typically red States, applying for unemployment is a full time job because it's split into multiple stages which have to be done in person waiting for your turn between each stage. Then you must prove you've applied to at least 6 companies per week. They call those companies to check if they've received an application from you. If any of those companies offer you a job, no more unemployment benefits, never mind you won't actually receive a paycheck for at least two more weeks. Then there is typically a six month cap on those benefits. The only time I was tempted to apply, it was less effort to work temp jobs.
 

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Every State handles unemployment differently. In many States, typically red States, applying for unemployment is a full time job because it's split into multiple stages which have to be done in person waiting for your turn between each stage. Then you must prove you've applied to at least 6 companies per week. They call those companies to check if they've received an application from you. If any of those companies offer you a job, no more unemployment benefits, never mind you won't actually receive a paycheck for at least two more weeks. Then there is typically a six month cap on those benefits. The only time I was tempted to apply, it was less effort to work temp jobs.
The amount of actual "checking" is many times nil, that requires man hours, something Red states are loathe to commit to unemployment expense. Also, few places actually accept walk-up applications for employment anymore, everything is done online only. Correct in that if your offered suitable employment your supposed to accept the job and that's the way it should be.
 

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I was speaking of unemployment and the additional weekly boost to earnings that corona has created.




She’s missed from the end of November till now. No.
Employed 6 months.
NYS is an at will work state. You don’t need to provided a reason to quit. Do people ever tell the truth as to why they are quitting anyway?

Everything is documented, but it’s still your word against theirs.

Have you ever been through an unemployment hearing? If they dint answer the phone when the judge calls he reschedules. If you dint answer they win.
It's not a "judge", it's an unemployment adjudicator, he sends both parties the result of his/her decision, if no one appeals within a given time period that decision stands, if an appeal, (and subsequent hearing) is filed both parties are told of the date/time, most are done over the phone these days. If either party does not show, (be available for the 3 way call at the specified time) it's considered a forfeit.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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The amount of actual "checking" is many times nil, that requires man hours, something Red states are loathe to commit to unemployment expense. Also, few places actually accept walk-up applications for employment anymore, everything is done online only. Correct in that if your offered suitable employment your supposed to accept the job and that's the way it should be.
Tell me how many companies in your area are offering jobs in your field that you can apply to at the rate of six a week? I suspect most people are out of luck after week two. Of course there are ways to game the system. The point is it's easier to work temp jobs than get unemployment. Nothing like drastically under employed to keep those unemployment numbers down eh?
 

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Tell me how many companies in your area are offering jobs in your field that you can apply to at the rate of six a week? I suspect most people are out of luck after week two. Of course there are ways to game the system. The point is it's easier to work temp jobs than get unemployment. Nothing like drastically under employed to keep those unemployment numbers down eh?
It's tough, but what I did was apply at places that were not hiring or for jobs I did not qualify for. Worked some temp jobs too, but those are not always available. Fuck the state of FL, with a crappy $275/wk rate they can deal with it, the "right to work" otherwise known as 'union busting" standard of employment makes it easy for companies to let go of long-tenured employees at the drop of a hat to save a buck.
 

hal2kilo

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It's tough, but what I did was apply at places that were not hiring or for jobs I did not qualify for. Worked some temp jobs too, but those are not always available. Fuck the state of FL, with a crappy $275/wk rate they can deal with it, the "right to work" otherwise known as 'union busting" standard of employment makes it easy for companies to let go of long-tenured employees at the drop of a hat to save a buck.
The first and only time I was on unemployment, was in Broward county and I was laid off by Motorola (74 recession). I got a huge check of $180 dollars for 2 weeks. Got reinstated by Motorola 2 months later but moved to Schaumburg Ill. Long story.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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It's tough, but what I did was apply at places that were not hiring or for jobs I did not qualify for. Worked some temp jobs too, but those are not always available. Fuck the state of FL, with a crappy $275/wk rate they can deal with it, the "right to work" otherwise known as 'union busting" standard of employment makes it easy for companies to let go of long-tenured employees at the drop of a hat to save a buck.
You're right. Our government encouraged citizens to game the system which leads to government officials gaming the system which leads to having an was like Trump in the Whitehouse. It's affected our entire society.
 

JEDIYoda

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You're right. Our government encouraged citizens to game the system which leads to government officials gaming the system which leads to having an was like Trump in the Whitehouse. It's affected our entire society.
FIFY -- Our government encouraged citizens to game the system which leads to government officials gaming the system which leads to having an wus like Trump in the Whitehouse.
 

zzyzxroad

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Looks like the GOP stop pushing this nonsense. Guess this propaganda campaign wasn't getting traction.