why do i need an MVA panel over a TN for a 24 inch LCD?

[AmongthechosenX]

I mainly play games, and since i'm going to be upgrading my hard drive, i'm going to start ripping movies to my PC (ones that I rent), so i'll probbaly be watching movies as well.

I just upgraded to an 8800GTX, and i'll probably be SLi'ing that card in a month or two, so i can run every game at 1920 x 1200 Resolution no more 1280 x 1024 for me!

i'm going for a 24 inch monitor, no bigger, no smaller (22 inchers dont cut it, 1650 x 1080 suckssss)

anyways, what purpose does me getting an MVA panel over a TN, with the stuff that I do? i don't really do photo or video editing, other than small photo jobs every now and then when I feel like it... none of that is a hobby.

I dont plan on spending more than $350 plus shipping. might buy used if I find a good model. I'm just curious as to what i should be aiming at.

Adam

Allow me to make this clear: We don't want to hear about what illegal activities you may or may not be doing, especially in the video forum. In the mean time this thread is grossly off-topic and while I'm not going to discipline anyone, I won't hesitate to if any of you make a habit of it.

AmongthechosenX, please feel free to start a new thread about monitors if you need to discuss the matter further.

-ViRGE

 

[scheibler1]

Die hard photo editers will tell you to get the more expensive MVA panels b/c their colors are spot on. I have a TN and haven't noticed any color problems, but all I do is watch movies and games. The colors look just as good as my old CRT, if not better.

It sounds like you will be very happy with a quality TN. TN's are cheaper and actually better at gaming b/c of the low response times. I researched FOREVER trying ot find the perfect 24" monitor, but I never found one. I did find one that fit exceeded all my expectations except for the stand....

I'de recommend the BenQ G2400W! I tested HP's, Dell's, Westingshouse MVA panels, Soyo's, Gateway's, Viewsonics, Samsung's, and HannsG's. The BenQ was the best by FAR. For a TN panel the viewing angle problem is almost non-existent. I view movies from 12ft away just fine....they look crystal clear and I am ALWAYS astonished how good it looks even after a half year of use! The BenQ also is great for gaming....I never once noticed ghosting and there isn't ANY backlight bleed unlike a lot of Samsungs that are always talked about. JUST READ THE REVIEWS ON NEWEGG AND YOU WILL SEE THIS MONITOR IS AWSOME. Sharkyextreme uses it for their extreme budget computer builds. The only thing I wish the BenQ had was a swiveling and height adjustable stand rather then just tilting

 

[gxshockwav]

I'd say MVA would have better viewing angles if you plan on watching movies with people huddled around you. Colors are better with MVA too.

 

[Klinky1984]

I hope you do realize that ripping rentals can get you in as much hot water as downloading movies. It is not legal, despite the fact that actual money does leave your pocket. You have a limited license to that copy for the duration of the rental, once you've returned it you are no longer entitled to it(ripped or physical).

 

[SunnyD]

Need is relative.

 

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Originally posted by: Klinky1984
I hope you do realize that ripping rentals can get you in as much hot water as downloading movies. It is not legal, despite the fact that actual money does leave your pocket. You have a limited license to that copy for the duration of the rental, once you've returned it you are no longer entitled to it(ripped or physical).

FYI - thread crapping is not allowed.

"Keep the threads ON TOPIC. Do not derail threads."

 

[myocardia]

TN panels are preferred for gaming and/or movie watching, for the reasons scheibler1 outlined.

Originally posted by: Lazlo Panaflex
FYI - thread crapping is not allowed.

Responding to any portion of an OP is, by definition, not thread crapping. You, on the other hand, are thread crapping.

 

[shangshang]

Originally posted by: Klinky1984
I hope you do realize that ripping rentals can get you in as much hot water as downloading movies. It is not legal, despite the fact that actual money does leave your pocket. You have a limited license to that copy for the duration of the rental, once you've returned it you are no longer entitled to it(ripped or physical).

It may not be "legal" according a regulation, but this doesn't mean it's also unconstitutional. It would be fun to challege such "legality".

Here's a question for you. Let's say the MPAA raid a guy's house and they found a bunch of ripped dvds. How is the MPAA is going to prove that the guy ripped them from a rental dvds or downloaded them on the net (downloading from the net is legal). So in order for anyone to be caught, they would need to be caught in the acting of ripping the original dvds. Good luck to the MPAA trying to obtain a warrant for this one.

So relax.

 

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Originally posted by: myocardia
TN panels are preferred for gaming and/or movie watching, for the reasons scheibler1 outlined.

Originally posted by: Lazlo Panaflex
FYI - thread crapping is not allowed.

Responding to any portion of an OP is, by definition, not thread crapping. You, on the other hand, are thread crapping.

lol...I guess your definition of TC'ing is different than mine, professor. In any event, that guy is not keeping the thread on topic.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: Klinky1984
I hope you do realize that ripping rentals can get you in as much hot water as downloading movies. It is not legal, despite the fact that actual money does leave your pocket. You have a limited license to that copy for the duration of the rental, once you've returned it you are no longer entitled to it(ripped or physical).

It may not be "legal" according a regulation, but this doesn't mean it's also unconstitutional. It would be fun to challege such "legality".

Here's a question for you. Let's say the MPAA raid a guy's house and they found a bunch of ripped dvds. How is the MPAA is going to prove that the guy ripped them from a rental dvds or downloaded them on the net (downloading from the net is legal). So in order for anyone to be caught, they would need to be caught in the acting of ripping the original dvds. Good luck to the MPAA trying to obtain a warrant for this one.

So relax.

Well how about this... admitting to the act of or facilitating piracy on the boards is a bannable offense as demonstrated several times in order forums. Doesn't matter the legality of it, AT admins don't want it here.

 

[Klinky1984]

I am not thread crapping, the OP posted that he'd be ripping movies and it seemed he was implying it'd be okay because they are rentals. This is false, if he physically owned the discs then that would be another story. The MPAA/FBI do work with rental outlets to track down people who may be copying/selling illegal duplicates. Do I think the risk is that high he'd be caught? Probably not unless he's selling them. Do I think the MPAA/RIAA are great people? No. However AT does have guidelines and I would hate if this guy goes around telling people renting and then copying DVDs/BR or Video Games is somehow legal.

As for being on topic, if you plan on doing anything other than gaming then a non-TN panel is worth the investment. Better color, viewing angles and less chance of dither/volt boost artifacts. There are many non-TN panels out there that do great at gaming too.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: Lazlo Panaflex

Originally posted by: myocardia
TN panels are preferred for gaming and/or movie watching, for the reasons scheibler1 outlined.

Originally posted by: Lazlo Panaflex
FYI - thread crapping is not allowed.

Responding to any portion of an OP is, by definition, not thread crapping. You, on the other hand, are thread crapping.

lol...I guess your definition of TC'ing is different than mine, professor. In any event, that guy is not keeping the thread on topic.

Unfortunately, your definition of thread crapping is indeed wrong. The OP had stated he would be ripping movies from rented copies and he was informing him this was illegal. It's still on-topic as he replied to something the OP wrote.

You on the other hand are thread-crapping because you have steered this thread off topic about the definition of thread crapping, offering no insight into what the OP had wrote.

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In any case OP, for gaming TN panels are generally better due to faster response times. However the downside of TN's in inaccurate color and poor viewing angles, which may or may not affect move viewing.

 

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Well shucks, I reckon I stand corrected! And my sincere apologies for thread poop! I've seen the light, hallelujia, amen! IMO, I'd go with one of them purdy Samsung 245T's...has some issues w/ scaling @ 16:9 & a little pricey, but it's an S-PVA.

 

[toslat]

Originally posted by: Klinky1984
I hope you do realize that ripping rentals can get you in as much hot water as downloading movies. It is not legal, despite the fact that actual money does leave your pocket. You have a limited license to that copy for the duration of the rental, once you've returned it you are no longer entitled to it(ripped or physical).

You say its illegal for him to rip the movies based on the 'facts' that you know the movies in question, where the OP lives, and the laws in effect there.

Better would have been you PM'ing the OP to voice your concern

 

[AmongthechosenX]

actually, honestly i dont rent movies that much. i'd probably borrow some of ym uncles as he is a DVD freak. only personal use, as i dont distribute movies or games. i dont use bit torrent, nor do i let things upload on limewire. please, i know my legal limits. all ripped movies would be for PERSONAL use, just like a personal backup copy.

again, this does NOT matter.


Now, can anyone recommend some good TN Panels?! pleasee??


honestly, i do not want to spend more than $400. $600 is over half of a paycheck for me, and i probably wont see any difference. my vision is good but not that good! haha

 

[scheibler1]

BenQ G2400W end of discussion

 

[Quiksilver]

BenQ V2400W (It's the improved version of the same monitor he recommended)

 

[shangshang]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: Klinky1984
I hope you do realize that ripping rentals can get you in as much hot water as downloading movies. It is not legal, despite the fact that actual money does leave your pocket. You have a limited license to that copy for the duration of the rental, once you've returned it you are no longer entitled to it(ripped or physical).

It may not be "legal" according a regulation, but this doesn't mean it's also unconstitutional. It would be fun to challege such "legality".

Here's a question for you. Let's say the MPAA raid a guy's house and they found a bunch of ripped dvds. How is the MPAA is going to prove that the guy ripped them from a rental dvds or downloaded them on the net (downloading from the net is legal). So in order for anyone to be caught, they would need to be caught in the acting of ripping the original dvds. Good luck to the MPAA trying to obtain a warrant for this one.

So relax.

Well how about this... admitting to the act of or facilitating piracy on the boards is a bannable offense as demonstrated several times in order forums. Doesn't matter the legality of it, AT admins don't want it here.

How about go back and re-read the OP's post? Where did he admit to piracy? Did he state that he was ripping a specific movie that is known to be illegal under his local jurisdiction? You guys are assuming too much. You are assuming that there are always laws making it illegal to rip all movies all the time no matter where you are located. Is ripping illegal if you're on high seas or on an island under no one's jurisdiction? Is critical thinking still legal to do?

relax. Nobody is adminting to anything. Nobody is faciliating anything. We're just thinking about the existing laws.

and OP I'd go with the MVA or PVA over TN

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: shangshang

Originally posted by: Klinky1984
I hope you do realize that ripping rentals can get you in as much hot water as downloading movies. It is not legal, despite the fact that actual money does leave your pocket. You have a limited license to that copy for the duration of the rental, once you've returned it you are no longer entitled to it(ripped or physical).

It may not be "legal" according a regulation, but this doesn't mean it's also unconstitutional. It would be fun to challege such "legality".

Here's a question for you. Let's say the MPAA raid a guy's house and they found a bunch of ripped dvds. How is the MPAA is going to prove that the guy ripped them from a rental dvds or downloaded them on the net (downloading from the net is legal). So in order for anyone to be caught, they would need to be caught in the acting of ripping the original dvds. Good luck to the MPAA trying to obtain a warrant for this one.

So relax.

Well how about this... admitting to the act of or facilitating piracy on the boards is a bannable offense as demonstrated several times in order forums. Doesn't matter the legality of it, AT admins don't want it here.

How about go back and re-read the OP's post? Where did he admit to piracy? Did he state that he was ripping a specific movie that is known to be illegal under his local jurisdiction? You guys are assuming too much. You are assuming that there are always laws making it illegal to rip all movies all the time no matter where you are located. Is ripping illegal if you're on high seas or on an island under no one's jurisdiction? Is critical thinking still legal to do?

relax. Nobody is adminting to anything. Nobody is faciliating anything. We're just thinking about the existing laws.

and OP I'd go with the MVA or PVA over TN

He's located in New Jersey according to his profile which makes it illegal even if it is for his own personal use. Not saying that I agree with the MPAA but he was just stating it. Now stop trying to take the thread even further off-course.

 

[ViRGE]

Allow me to make this clear: We don't want to hear about what illegal activities you may or may not be doing, especially in the video forum. In the mean time this thread is grossly off-topic and while I'm not going to discipline anyone, I won't hesitate to if any of you make a habit of it.

AmongthechosenX, please feel free to start a new thread about monitors if you need to discuss the matter further.

-ViRGE