Why do dvd producers bother with the cost of copyright protection?

[shilala]

I was thinking about Sony and their never-changing copyright protection.
It takes smart bored guys 10 minutes to beat it, and it takes guys who copy dvd's ten minutes to find out what utility to use to beat it after the smart bored guy has figured it out.
It has to cost them a fortune, and the only people they are beating are knuckleheads who they could have beaten with a stern warning or their very first encryption method.
Why do they continue to do the dance when it's forenaught?

 

[Continuity28]

To make stockholders happy?

I'm not sure either, because it's all pointless in the end.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: shilala
I was thinking about Sony and their never-changing copyright protection.
It takes smart bored guys 10 minutes to beat it, and it takes guys who copy dvd's ten minutes to find out what utility to use to beat it after the smart bored guy has figured it out.
It has to cost them a fortune, and the only people they are beating are knuckleheads who they could have beaten with a stern warning or their very first encryption method.
Why do they continue to do the dance when it's forenaught?

Thats where you went wrong.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: shilala
I was thinking about Sony and their never-changing copyright protection.
It takes smart bored guys 10 minutes to beat it, and it takes guys who copy dvd's ten minutes to find out what utility to use to beat it after the smart bored guy has figured it out.
It has to cost them a fortune, and the only people they are beating are knuckleheads who they could have beaten with a stern warning or their very first encryption method.
Why do they continue to do the dance when it's forenaught?

Thats where you went wrong.

Awww, quit it.

 

It has to cost them a fortune, and the only people they are beating are knuckleheads who they could have beaten with a stern warning or their very first encryption method.

What?

 

[0roo0roo]

its to keep management happy. its a check box for them to be filled

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: SampSon

It has to cost them a fortune, and the only people they are beating are knuckleheads who they could have beaten with a stern warning or their very first encryption method.

What?

Rephrase...
Sony could stave off copying with a scary warning. (Because the person doing the copying is probably a simp if he can't find out how to copy the movie).
or...
They could continue using simple anti-copying measures that they used initially.
Reasoning:
If a person can learn to beat one anti-copying method, they'll learn to beat the next one.

Why did I waste two minutes explaining that???

 

[Cattlegod]

but the next form of encryption will be un crackable says middle management to the VPs.

 

[MustISO]

Why is any copy protection in place? It's a waste of time and money and ends up hurting the people who actually buy the product.

 

[jondl]

What i wonder is.. why are some GAME CDs/DVDs so damn hard to crack when a dvd movie simple?

 

[blakeatwork]

When they realize that paying someone $30 million to act in a movie is a bit much...

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: blakeatwork
When they realize that paying someone $30 million to act in a movie is a bit much...

QFT

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: blakeatwork
When they realize that paying someone $30 million to act in a movie is a bit much...

QFT

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: MustISO
Why is any copy protection in place? It's a waste of time and money and ends up hurting the people who actually buy the product.

I read an article where an Adobe exec was interviewed.
He said, in essense, that Adobe had the softest copy protection out there because the people they were trying to beat had unlimited time and didn't need any resources to beat any protection scheme they come up with.
The same group will continue to take what isn't theirs regardless of how much money they throw at it.
That sounds like a brilliant business decision to me.
No sense in paying to fight what can't be beat.

 

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: SampSon

It has to cost them a fortune, and the only people they are beating are knuckleheads who they could have beaten with a stern warning or their very first encryption method.

What?

Rephrase...
Sony could stave off copying with a scary warning. (Because the person doing the copying is probably a simp if he can't find out how to copy the movie).
or...
They could continue using simple anti-copying measures that they used initially.
Reasoning:
If a person can learn to beat one anti-copying method, they'll learn to beat the next one.

Why did I waste two minutes explaining that???

The original statement and the clarification make no sense, still.

Are you saying that the simple protection only keeps very low level users away from copying their content?
There have been scary warnings from the FBI for decades now, that hasn't stopped anyone. Not sure what more a warning from the contents owner would do beyond that.

Reality is that these companies want the exposure piracy gives them.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: SampSon

It has to cost them a fortune, and the only people they are beating are knuckleheads who they could have beaten with a stern warning or their very first encryption method.

What?

Rephrase...
Sony could stave off copying with a scary warning. (Because the person doing the copying is probably a simp if he can't find out how to copy the movie).
or...
They could continue using simple anti-copying measures that they used initially.
Reasoning:
If a person can learn to beat one anti-copying method, they'll learn to beat the next one.

Why did I waste two minutes explaining that???

The original statement and the clarification make no sense, still.

Are you saying that the simple protection only keeps very low level users away from copying their content?
There have been scary warnings from the FBI for decades now, that hasn't stopped anyone. Not sure what more a warning from the contents owner would do beyond that.

Reality is that these companies want the exposure piracy gives them.

Yes.

How so?

 

[Bozono]

Not really related but look at all the p2p that has fallen in the last 4 months. Limewire, eMule, WinMX and others. These fvckers are making some headway, at least it does look that way officially. The only way Copyright Protection can be effective IMO is to introduce a new format STAT. One that is backward compatible with DVD and CD would be preferable.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Bozono
Not really related but look at all the p2p that has fallen in the last 4 months. Limewire, eMule, WinMX and others. These fvckers are making some headway, at least it does look that way officially. The only way Copyright Protection can be effective IMO is to introduce a new format STAT. One that is backward compatible with DVD and CD would be preferable.

I imagine a new format would be beaten in a week, as well.
Look at the pains people go through to get free xbox and ps2 games.
It's a huge PITA, but it still goes on.

 

[yourdeardaniel]

Adobe is smart
what is this Sony movie copyright protection? i thought it was SonyBMG and their music copyright protection installing uninstallable rootkit stuff on your computer

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Tax write off.

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: Bozono
Not really related but look at all the p2p that has fallen in the last 4 months. Limewire, eMule, WinMX and others. These fvckers are making some headway, at least it does look that way officially. The only way Copyright Protection can be effective IMO is to introduce a new format STAT. One that is backward compatible with DVD and CD would be preferable.

why are they fvckers? let's be honest: limewire, emule and winmx were all havens for people to share files illegally.

 

[Continuity28]

Originally posted by: yourdeardaniel
Adobe is smart
what is this Sony movie copyright protection? i thought it was SonyBMG and their music copyright protection installing uninstallable rootkit stuff on your computer

Sony's latest DVD copy protection scheme was titled ARccOS. It defeated very quickly.

Here's a quote from Sony:

ARccOS?? DVD-Video Copy Control

Sony DADC, your partner for high-quality and innovative solutions for DVD, offers you ARccOS? ? the new and most effective digital copy control solution available for DVD-Video. Creating unauthorized DVD copies in high-quality have become widespread and easy. The use of software for copying DVD-Video is causing significant reduction of sold DVDs, meaning enormous financial harm to your business and content owners. Every time an illegal copy is made you loose money! ARccOS? by Sony DADC is the ultimate copy control for this format providing actual protection without interfering the entertainment experience. ARccOS? is made for your DVD-Video, so guard your content and create!

Leading Copy-Proof Solution Sony DADC is setting the standard in digital copy control! ARccOS? is a passive copy control technology with a dynamic copy protection system. Every single ARccOS? guarded DVD-Video title can be equipped with a different encryption code. The digital signature protects the DVD-Video by successfully preventing 1:1 duplication, ripping, recompression and unauthorized mass replication. Now it?s up to you ? face the creators of illegal copies with ARccOS? copy control!

Advanced protection with ARccOS?
Prevention of unauthorized 1:1 copies on PC
Prevention of ripping and recompression
The only dynamic digital Copy Control available
Fully compatible with available DVD players and drives
Most effective digital copy control for DVD-Video on the market
Developed by Sony DADC, the leading provider of copy control solutions (SecuROMTM for DVD-ROM, CD-ROM and key2audioXSTM for CD-Audio)

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Continuity28

Originally posted by: yourdeardaniel
Adobe is smart
what is this Sony movie copyright protection? i thought it was SonyBMG and their music copyright protection installing uninstallable rootkit stuff on your computer

Sony's latest DVD copy protection scheme was titled ARccOS. It defeated very quickly.

Here's a quote from Sony:

ARccOS?? DVD-Video Copy Control

Sony DADC, your partner for high-quality and innovative solutions for DVD, offers you ARccOS? ? the new and most effective digital copy control solution available for DVD-Video. Creating unauthorized DVD copies in high-quality have become widespread and easy. The use of software for copying DVD-Video is causing significant reduction of sold DVDs, meaning enormous financial harm to your business and content owners. Every time an illegal copy is made you loose money! ARccOS? by Sony DADC is the ultimate copy control for this format providing actual protection without interfering the entertainment experience. ARccOS? is made for your DVD-Video, so guard your content and create!

Leading Copy-Proof Solution Sony DADC is setting the standard in digital copy control! ARccOS? is a passive copy control technology with a dynamic copy protection system. Every single ARccOS? guarded DVD-Video title can be equipped with a different encryption code. The digital signature protects the DVD-Video by successfully preventing 1:1 duplication, ripping, recompression and unauthorized mass replication. Now it?s up to you ? face the creators of illegal copies with ARccOS? copy control!

Advanced protection with ARccOS?
Prevention of unauthorized 1:1 copies on PC
Prevention of ripping and recompression
The only dynamic digital Copy Control available
Fully compatible with available DVD players and drives
Most effective digital copy control for DVD-Video on the market
Developed by Sony DADC, the leading provider of copy control solutions (SecuROMTM for DVD-ROM, CD-ROM and key2audioXSTM for CD-Audio)

To give Sony credit where credit is due, I heard a story where it did take a guy a 2 minute Google search and 5 minute download/upgrade to copy his kid's Bewitched movie.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Why were software patents allowed (probably the biggest setback in CS since pointers)? When a sufficiently juicy carrot (uncopyable media in this case) is dangled any company will blindly follow it...

 

[yhelothar]

Because it keeps most average joes from copying it. Better than nothing.