Why do BIOS affect my OC so mucH?

[Smoblikat]

So i flashed my BIOS a few weeks ago and my OC wasnt the same as it was before the flash, it took too many volts to do too little ghz, so i flashed back and got completely different numbers than the other two, so i flashes back to the new one AGAIN and got better numbers than all but my origonal, now that ive flashed yet again to an even neweg BIOS i now have better voltages than i did when i had my first BIOS flash, i can do 5ghz @ 1.28v with a max temp of 48C with a single fan air cooler. How can it vary this much?

 

[corkyg]

Unfortunately, the grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence. If it was working fine, there was no reason to flash the BIOS. My sense is that it is your OC that is interfering with the Basic Input/Output System (BIOS). Perhaps it varies a lot because the basic parameters keep changing.

 

[Puppies04]

Make your mind up, you claim (with screen shots) that you are running 1.328v @ 5ghz on this forum and it failed an IBT run. You freely admited your 5ghz @1.28v was only tested with crysis to see if it was stable.

1.328v might run happily for a week doing nothing more than running games but it will blue screen sooner or later.

You need to forget any other numbers you "used" to run at and find an actual overclock you can stress test and remain stable (as far as i'm aware you haven't done this once yet). Anything else you have ran in the past is unproven and shouldn't be mentioned here.

 

[Puppies04]

Also keep in mind that these CPUs have been reported as having a break in period, when they are new they tend to be stable at lower voltages and after a couple of months they all of a sudden need the voltage tweaking up to pass stress testing.

 

[Smoblikat]

Make your mind up, you claim (with screen shots) that you are running 1.328v @ 5ghz on this forum and it failed an IBT run. You freely admited your 5ghz @1.28v was only tested with crysis to see if it was stable.

1.328v might run happily for a week doing nothing more than running games but it will blue screen sooner or later.

You need to forget any other numbers you "used" to run at and find an actual overclock you can stress test and remain stable (as far as i'm aware you haven't done this once yet). Anything else you have ran in the past is unproven and shouldn't be mentioned here.

What are you talking about? I passed IBT. If you are referring to my other thread that was closed due to trolls then you need to realize that it was my BIOS making my OC's bad. I have proof of 5ghz @ 1.32v, it passed around 47 passes of IBT.

 

[Puppies04]

What are you talking about? I passed IBT. If you are referring to my other thread that was closed due to trolls then you need to realize that it was my BIOS making my OC's bad. I have proof of 5ghz @ 1.32v, it passed around 47 passes of IBT. __________________

This is what im talking about, yesterday 8:04PM....


"I ran it for 100 passes and it failed at like 47, is this stable enough? My cooler is the EVGA superclock CPU cooler, its really a cooler that flies under the radar as far as performance goes. its also the coolest (no pun intended) looking ooler there is"


Failing at ANY point means it isn't stable, you need to understand this. Not 1 hour 2 hours 10 hours. If you run a stress test and it fails you are not stable and quoting those figures as if you actually had a stable overclock at that voltage is misleading and ultimately will get you nowhere.

P.S You were not trolled in your other post, you just wouldn't listen to people telling you that crysis is not a suitable stress test to prove your OC is stable @ 5ghz (or 5.3 like you claimed originally) at 1.25v. People were trying to give you advice on getting a stable overclock and you decided you knew better. Doesn't seem like much has changed tbh.

Nobody is trying to say you don't have a good chip but until you get a stable OC that doesn't fail a stress test you will keep running into these problems, maybe once a day maybe once a month. Fault finding on a PC is a case of eliminating potential problems until hopefully you are left with only one culprit, you have a dodgy overclock and possibly a problem with your mobo bios find a stable OC that can run IBT for 100 passes or run prime overnight without an issue and you will soon find out if you have any problems elsewhere.

 

[Smoblikat]

This is what im talking about, yesterday 8:04PM....


"I ran it for 100 passes and it failed at like 47, is this stable enough? My cooler is the EVGA superclock CPU cooler, its really a cooler that flies under the radar as far as performance goes. its also the coolest (no pun intended) looking ooler there is"


Failing at ANY point means it isn't stable, you need to understand this. Not 1 hour 2 hours 10 hours. If you run a stress test and it fails you are not stable and quoting those figures as if you actually had a stable overclock at that voltage is misleading and ultimately will get you nowhere.

P.S You were not trolled in your other post, you just wouldn't listen to people telling you that crysis is not a suitable stress test to prove your OC is stable @ 5ghz (or 5.3 like you claimed originally) at 1.25v. People were trying to give you advice on getting a stable overclock and you decided you knew better. Doesn't seem like much has changed tbh.

Nobody is trying to say you don't have a good chip but until you get a stable OC that doesn't fail a stress test you will keep running into these problems, maybe once a day maybe once a month. Fault finding on a PC is a case of eliminating potential problems until hopefully you are left with only one culprit, you have a dodgy overclock and possibly a problem with your mobo bios find a stable OC that can run IBT for 100 passes or run prime overnight without an issue and you will soon find out if you have any problems elsewhere.

Actually i never claimed crysis was a stress test but OK, whatever you say. My claims were 5.3 @ 1.37v, im currently solid at 5.0 @ 1.32........id say its doable.. I dont need a chip that will run indefinitley, i need a chip that will run and that I can have great certenty that it wont fail, which is what i have. Which is why i said STABLE ENOUGH, not rock solid, since im positive that my chip wont crash, 47 runs of IBT at max stress is fine for me. Arent you pushing 1.5v into your chip right now? Intel max safe is 1.52, you want to talk about instabilities just wait until that chip degrades to the point where your OC will fail randomly.

Also, on topic. so do all boards have BIOS temperment issues like mine, i had a few high end boards before this and when i flashed i went right back to where i was and never ahd a problem. If its ASrocks BIOS then i ont be buying from them agiain.

 

[Puppies04]

Actually i never claimed crysis was a stress test but OK

Well you pretty much did, stable isn't a throw about word here, your rig is either stable or not and yours is not hence it failed IBT @ 47 out of 100 passes.

im currently solid at 5.0 @ 1.32.

No you aren't you failed IBT

I dont need a chip that will run indefinitley, i need a chip that will run and that I can have great certenty that it wont fail

This statement makes no sense but I will point out that failing IBT means your CPU is returning false results to calculations. Hope you have fun when your windows installation corrupts or your game saves are broken etc etc

Which is why i said STABLE ENOUGH, not rock solid, since im positive that my chip wont crash

There is stable and not stable there is nothing inbetween, you still fail to understand this.

Arent you pushing 1.5v into your chip right now? Intel max safe is 1.52, you want to talk about instabilities just wait until that chip degrades to the point where your OC will fail randomly.

I never have and never will put 1.5v through my chip (although i'm not the one posting in various threads about my overclock, so even if i was that wouldn't be your concern), i'm running somewhere in the region of 1.38v through offset mode @ full load and 0.9v @ idle. You might want to brush up a little on how to overclock before you start trying to give me advice and repeat what you have read other people say, though thanks for caring. Intel doesn't advocate or warranty any overclocking btw, the 1.52v that you are quoting was the max that intel said the chip would function at but even raising stock voltage by 0.01v invalidates your warranty.

Also, on topic. so do all boards have BIOS temperment issues like mine

As I keep trying to tell you, until you get a rock solid overclock you cannot blame the bios. eliminate one issue before you start blaming something else. From what I can tell you have never had a stable overclock so claiming a bios flash destabilised your system is redundant.

Everything I am telling you here has been pointed out by some very senior members on this forum in various other posts, you refuse to listen to them or me so i'm giving up with you now unless you want to take their or my advice and actually raise your vcore or lower your multi until you have a stable overclock then start from there because you will never be able to be sure if any future issues you have are down to having an unstable system or something else.

Happy christmas

 

[Smoblikat]

Well you pretty much did, stable isn't a throw about word here, your rig is either stable or not and yours is not hence it failed IBT @ 47 out of 100 passes.



No you aren't you failed IBT



This statement makes no sense but I will point out that failing IBT means your CPU is returning false results to calculations. Hope you have fun when your windows installation corrupts or your game saves are broken etc etc



There is stable and not stable there is nothing inbetween, you still fail to understand this.



I never have and never will put 1.5v through my chip (although i'm not the one posting in various threads about my overclock, so even if i was that wouldn't be your concern), i'm running somewhere in the region of 1.38v through offset mode @ full load and 0.9v @ idle. You might want to brush up a little on how to overclock before you start trying to give me advice and repeat what you have read other people say, though thanks for caring. Intel doesn't advocate or warranty any overclocking btw, the 1.52v that you are quoting was the max that intel said the chip would function at but even raising stock voltage by 0.01v invalidates your warranty.



As I keep trying to tell you, until you get a rock solid overclock you cannot blame the bios. eliminate one issue before you start blaming something else. From what I can tell you have never had a stable overclock so claiming a bios flash destabilised your system is redundant.

Everything I am telling you here has been pointed out by some very senior members on this forum in various other posts, you refuse to listen to them or me so i'm giving up with you now unless you want to take their or my advice and actually raise your vcore or lower your multi until you have a stable overclock then start from there because you will never be able to be sure if any future issues you have are down to having an unstable system or something else.

Happy christmas

Honestly my overclock is stable enough for me. This isnt a thread where you come to question how I OC my system, i dont go to your threads and change subjects. All i want to know is if BIOS changing will have adverse effects on all boards or just this one. As i pointed out before i have had some higher end boards and ive swapped BIOS and my OC's were the same, its only now that im having problems. I want to know if its a new thing with all boards or just ASrock.

the 1.5v thing came from here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32677892&postcount=93

I didnt realize what context you were posting in and thought you were referring to your own chip. If you wont stop posting about how my system will explode because i only passed 47 runs of linx then just stp posting, the facts are that my system has varied greatly with every BIOS change, before it wouldnt even post at less than 1.35, now im quite stable at 1.32.

 

[douglasb]

You already got your answer and you just don't want to listen. BIOS has nothing to do with it.

 

[Smoblikat]

You already got your answer and you just don't want to listen. BIOS has nothing to do with it.

BUT THATS NOT THE ANSWER.

ITS NOT ME, every time i have switched BIOS my ability to overclock has gone up or down. I dont even know how you could think that its me. So since you know everything please relate the "answer" to my original question.......which was do BIOS's effect overclocks and can changing one affect an OC?

 

[douglasb]

Lose the attitude and maybe you will find some help around here. It's clear that you don't really know what you are doing, you are impatient, and you get an attitude when people tell you that you are going about things the wrong way. You can try every BIOS under the sun and it won't help. It IS you.

 

[Puppies04]

Lose the attitude and maybe you will find some help around here. It's clear that you don't really know what you are doing, you are impatient, and you get an attitude when people tell you that you are going about things the wrong way. You can try every BIOS under the sun and it won't help. It IS you.

Pretty much time to give up douglas, he doesn't understand what he is doing wrong although it has been pointed out on at least 10 occasions.

Smoblikat I don't know if there is some sort of language barrier here. You keep talking about "stable enough" and it just doesn't work like that.

Do some bios revisions require slightly more voltage than others? Yes. I updated my bios on my P8Z68 PRO and it required slightly more voltage than it had before but I only updated it because I had system instability caused by my SSD. Mobo manufacturers don't just create a new bios for fun they do it to address issues with instability with certain hardware setups. If you don't have issues there is really no point updating the bios though.

 

[Smoblikat]

Pretty much time to give up douglas, he doesn't understand what he is doing wrong although it has been pointed out on at least 10 occasions.

Smoblikat I don't know if there is some sort of language barrier here. You keep talking about "stable enough" and it just doesn't work like that.

Do some bios revisions require slightly more voltage than others? Yes. I updated my bios on my P8Z68 PRO and it required slightly more voltage than it had before but I only updated it because I had system instability caused by my SSD. Mobo manufacturers don't just create a new bios for fun they do it to address issues with instability with certain hardware setups. If you don't have issues there is really no point updating the bios though.

Everything but the part where you were being a dick was very helpful. Thank you. I updated my BIOS because i have mouse issues in the UEFI.

 

[Puppies04]

I would rather let the mods deal with this, thanks...