Why do apple products just work?

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This is bugging me, since I *don't* feel the need to support apple, as many mac zealots do. I had to post a quicktime video of some DV footage I edited, and the exports outs (quicktime and divx) from both Premiere Pro and Avid where pixelated and HUGE (even using the Broadband - Low preset). Frustrated by the quality, I plopped down the bucks for quicktime pro and the exports look prestine and are 1/10th the size. The program worked exactly as it should, while the others I used didn't.

This has been my past experience with Apple in general. I didn't want to support them and made the leap to Creative MP3 players from iPod and the Nomad that I bought had a hard drive failure, while that dusty iPod still works, years later. Why can't other companies just test their damn products more?!?!
 

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My G4 MAC broke on its 3 day and got replaced with a new one by Apple. That one broke on its 3rd week.

My 1st gen iPod mini also broke within 2 weeks to be replaced by Apple. Got so sick of sending packages to Apple, sold the mini and swore to never buy another Apple product.

I got an iPod shuffle as a gift and it has suprisingly been reliable so far (8 months).

Overall, I am very dissatisfied with Apple.
 

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Apple products only have to work on a small number of known configurations. Windows has to (and does) work on everything under the sun, it just might need some convincing before it does.
 

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Bullsh|t. I had to do video editing on an iMac for my high school TV production class and it was a nightmare. iMovie would constantly crash and I lost a lot of work on several occasions. After a while my teacher got so fed up that she had the school replace the iMacs with PCs and professional video editing software.
 
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Originally posted by: soydios
Apple products only have to work on a small number of known configurations. Windows has to (and does) work on everything under the sun, it just might need some convincing before it does.

I used quicktime pro for windows, works smashingly.
 

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I have to use Quicktime Pro for my computer animation animations I do for school. No trouble with it at all yet.
 
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Originally posted by: Shawn
Bullsh|t. I had to do video editing on an iMac for my high school TV production class and it was a nightmare. iMovie would constantly crash and I lost a lot of work on several occasions. After a while my teacher got so fed up that she had the school replace the iMacs with PCs and professional video editing software.

iMovie is the equivalent of Windows Movie maker, a consumer (free) editing solution. It's not meant for mission critical work.
 
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I'll add some pro pc rhetoric, to make this less slanted ;):

I went to my co-designer's place to work on some Photoshop files - her mac G5, while beautiful, was tragically slower than my $350 dell AMD X2 box, even though the resale on the G5 means that the used ones go for quite a bit more. I'm sure things have changed with the new Core 2 Duo ones, but I'm able to do all the work I need to do on my PC for a much smaller initial investment.
 

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Originally posted by: soydios
Apple products only have to work on a small number of known configurations. Windows has to (and does) work on everything under the sun, it just might need some convincing before it does.

BS. They all run on the same OS, with the same instructions. There is no way your sound card and mouse combination are going to have any effect on your video editing software's exports.
 

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Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
I'll add some pro pc rhetoric, to make this less slanted ;):

I went to my co-designer's place to work on some Photoshop files - her mac G5, while beautiful, was tragically slower than my $350 dell AMD X2 box, even though the resale on the G5 means that the used ones go for quite a bit more. I'm sure things have changed with the new Core 2 Duo ones, but I'm able to do all the work I need to do on my PC for a much smaller initial investment.

Judging by prices on Craigslist for used Macs and iPods, people will pay slightly less than new price for their products...
 

CKent

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One experience is hardly a big enough sample to draw a conclusion from.
 

Merlyn3D

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Apple's focus is to have stuff just work because they seem to like the philosophy that the computer, OS, programs shouldn't get in the way of you being productive and doing your work.
 

RbSX

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I just think of the exploding macbooks, short life expectancy of ipods, and the apple wifi fiasco.

Yeap.
 

Shawn

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Originally posted by: RyanSengara
I just think of the exploding macbooks, short life expectancy of ipods, and the apple wifi fiasco.

Yeap.

the exploding macbooks are sony's fault.
 

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Apple hardware is nice but overpriced and I have never been impressed by quicktime or itunes. Apple software seems to do many different things ok while attempting to take over your machine.
 

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Considering the higher than average price of Apple products (along with often having less functionality), it shouldn't be surprising if they do work better more often. It's like buying Asus versus Biostar, sometimes literally since I think Asus makes many of Apple's products, while I'm sure there are plenty of cheaper companies like Biostar that would be willing to do the same.
 

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I dunno but personally if I had to make a change from quicktime to quicktime pro, I would just pirate it (yeah, I know illegal and "bad") but no I'm sure it's overpriced for what it is.

personally I worked with Macs through junior high and I thought they were complete shiet, although it would be interesting to own one for learning purposes only.

I do own an ipod, which I enjoy, but it also has some minor quirks that I hate. For example it sometimes doesn't shut off correctly and I have to let the battery die, or sometimes the clickwheel feels unresponsive in other ways.
 

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There is NOT a large enough sampling of Mac results to exploit the truth, therefore, the results are skewed.
 

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Originally posted by: Shawn
Bullsh|t. I had to do video editing on an iMac for my high school TV production class and it was a nightmare. iMovie would constantly crash and I lost a lot of work on several occasions. After a while my teacher got so fed up that she had the school replace the iMacs with PCs and professional video editing software.

same here... except in my school iMovie was pretty stable, but just about everything else was so unstable it brought the whole system down. Dont think they ever upgraded those macs.
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
This is bugging me, since I *don't* feel the need to support apple, as many mac zealots do. I had to post a quicktime video of some DV footage I edited, and the exports outs (quicktime and divx) from both Premiere Pro and Avid where pixelated and HUGE (even using the Broadband - Low preset). Frustrated by the quality, I plopped down the bucks for quicktime pro and the exports look prestine and are 1/10th the size. The program worked exactly as it should, while the others I used didn't.

This has been my past experience with Apple in general. I didn't want to support them and made the leap to Creative MP3 players from iPod and the Nomad that I bought had a hard drive failure, while that dusty iPod still works, years later. Why can't other companies just test their damn products more?!?!

I think you should change the title of this thread to: "My experience with two or three Apple products have been very positive."

I personally would hesitate to make a general statement about all Apple products based on such limited experience.

 
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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
This is bugging me, since I *don't* feel the need to support apple, as many mac zealots do. I had to post a quicktime video of some DV footage I edited, and the exports outs (quicktime and divx) from both Premiere Pro and Avid where pixelated and HUGE (even using the Broadband - Low preset). Frustrated by the quality, I plopped down the bucks for quicktime pro and the exports look prestine and are 1/10th the size. The program worked exactly as it should, while the others I used didn't.

This has been my past experience with Apple in general. I didn't want to support them and made the leap to Creative MP3 players from iPod and the Nomad that I bought had a hard drive failure, while that dusty iPod still works, years later. Why can't other companies just test their damn products more?!?!

I think you should change the title of this thread to: "My experience with two or three Apple products have been very positive."

I personally would hesitate to make a general statement about all Apple products based on such limited experience.

Well, I've owned other mac products - my G4 worked as advertised, never had to deal with a crash or buggy software/drivers/ etc. I hooked up a printer and it worked. I hooked up a new scanner and it worked. Though driver installation isn't a big deal to me and my pre-made Dell works very well with very few crashes (crashes due mostly to poorly written freeware software not anything substantial). So I can't say Mac desktops are "better" - I love my PC and consider it a great value.

Laptops - I use a toshiba satellite laptop and hate the boot up time (even on a core duo chip) and it has issue fairly often. It was a low end one at $899. The $999 Mac Books that I've used are awesome. Fast, responsive, stable, and a bit more feature rich. It works, right out of the box - as things should. The toshiba has been a pain, my gateway laptop had issues as well. I've had to do clean installs on my roommate's Asus 3 times (though it was $600). I love IBM Thinkpads but they're more expensive than mac books.

Software - Avid was not cheap, I got a deal on it but it cost me $300. Premiere was free with some hardware I bought. Still, Quicktime Pro worked flawlessly while those other programs resulted in pixelated and huge file sizes. Yes, these are different beasts (quicktime is strictly a player/encoder while avid's a full fledged NLE) but I've used Sorense Squeeze and Cleaner - both are meant to compete with quicktime pro - they cost more and the results just aren't the same. Winamp vs. itunes - a friend wanted a print out of all of my albums. Couldn't figure out how to do it with Winamp/Windows Media Player... Itunes: hit PRINT and you get a listing with all the cover art and track listings.

MP3 players: iPod - I kinda want an underdog to win so i've gotten archos players (great! but they cost more), creative (buggy software, prone to lock ups), Toshiba (fair, but I have to use their annoying software), and always returned to the iPod. It just works. They force me to use itunes but iTunes is actually helpful in organizing my music... Combined, everything just works.

I'm not patting apple on the back here - I'm just wondering why other companies can't get their acts together. I'm cheap - I'd like to buy a competitors product that could kick apple's but.. but i just don't see it happening. the iPhone is so tempting right now because my samsung phone tends to lock up or just die on me randomly while my windows media iPaq has issues multitasking (listening to music while running an app causes stuttering). I'm thinking the iPhone will just work, so i'm very tempted.
 

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I basically have a degree in video production, and during my time as an undergrad I did a lot of video editing. We had Mac G4s with Final Cut Pro and they crashed so much we had to save literally every minute so we wouldn't lose our work. During my last class they upgraded to G5s and the crashing problem went away, but I was still not as satisfied as with a PC with Premiere Pro.