why didn't the mini-disc take off?

DeeKnow

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wondering why the Sony Mini-disc has failed to take off as the defacto choice for portable music...

I realize they messed up initially not supporting mp3... but other than that, they seem to have got almost everything right.

the devices are small, the disks are reasonably priced and carry a fair amount of music, you get instant random access, and some of them get 40-50 hours from a single AAA... I cannot see why everyone doesn't want one of these...???
 

Chronoshock

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Proprietary data formats get owned, if they had made it available to others it might have done better
 

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IIRC, in the early days, sony made it impossible to easily play your MP3s on it. By the time they changed that, flash and HD based MP3 players were both cheap and pervasive.
 

Riceball

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Mini-Disc are popular in Europe and Asia as for the US intially it was the high price of players and and mini discs. When prices dropped to more reasonable levels mp3s, burners, and flash storage had finally hit their stride.

I really hate sony and their insistence on producing all these proprietary formats. Beatmax, mini-disc, memory stick, and now sony's atrac mp3 player which intially wasn't goign to support the mp3 format until people started bitching.
 

brxndxn

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If Sony didn't have its arrogant head so far up its own ass, the Minidisc would have replaced the floppy long ago.. 168mb ain't too shabby considering how long it's been around. Hell, 168mb in minidisc size would still be halfway useful now.

No wait.. minidisc is only a music format. If it holds music, it can't hold data!
 

dc

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yeah, they should've marketed it as a replacement for the 3.5 floppy.
 

ndee

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Originally posted by: dc
yeah, they should've marketed it as a replacement for the 3.5 floppy.

that's what I thought 3 years ago but I can't find the thread anymore.
 

brxndxn

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Originally posted by: Riceball
Didn't Iomega have the high capacity floppy market locked with their zip disks?

The minidisc came out something like 7 years before the zip disk
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: dc
and minidiscs are smaller and look cooler than zip discs. :)

Aye. Once you have the music on there, minidisc players are almsot second to none in terms of reliability and size. I still have mine in my car's glovebox and it works well. THis after I dropped it on concrete from about 6ft up at the gym more than 6 times.
 

IamElectro

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It was way to expensive in the begining. ($599 for a portable and like $899 for a home unit, $12 for one blank disk in 1992) Sony limited the technology to itself (Figured they learned with Betamax). By the time Sony wised up and lowered the prices and expanded the product line (Late 90's), CDR/CDRW were cheaper faster (lots of people already had portable/home/car CD players). The 3rd time they to market it as a great technology (proprietary software atrac only recently adding MP3 capabilities) harddisk MP3 players had hit the market. (people like cool new technology)

Radiostations have kept it alive this long as it was cheaper that DAT.
 

Calin

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Yes, the CDROMs could only be recorded at 1x for a long time (and with the price of recorders sky high, 500+ USD)
 

IamElectro

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Originally posted by: Calin
Yes, the CDROMs could only be recorded at 1x for a long time (and with the price of recorders sky high, 500+ USD)

A 4x burner was available as early as 1994 Yamaha made it if memory serves me correctly price was under a $1000 to. Even if you paid $500 for a 1x or 2x burner in 1994 it was still cheaper than a minidisk recorder and blank CDR media was still 1/3 the price of a blank minidisc. As far as record speed goes minidisc was only 1x until they started using it with Atrac and firewire connections.
 

MaxDSP

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
software is what killed it.

This is also worth mentioning....the software that comes with the minidisc (even now) is so f@$^^% boaty and bug ridden that it's one of the reasons I got an iPod Mini (among a few other reasons). I loved my Minis Disc since I got it over a year ago, it got like 35-50 hours of play time on a single AA battery , depending on the battery brand. I've also dropped the MinisDisc player itself on several occasions and it still works like a champ.
 

benliong

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Couple of factors:

1) As mentioned, you have to record it in real time for quite some time in the beginning stages of the format. This would appeal to lots of people who were already recording songs onto tape to listen on their walkman, but it's just not a good solution for people with discman who can just buy the music

2) There was close to zero support from the music industry, partly because of it being the high quality recording (read pirating) medium that it is. Remember how media company rejects CDR, Tivo, Video tape and such for a long time? So essentially the only realy way to listen to music on a Mini-disc is to first record them from another player.

3) When netMD arrives, it could have cleaned the floor with the various MP3 players out there. Back then most of the MP3 players are flash players with 64MB of storage space, and ipod 3rd generation is no where to be seen. However, Sony being a multi-discipline company it is, was unable to implement the solution successfully. Sony music would force the Mini-disc department to not let people burn MP3 onto minidisc easily. You have to burn your songs onto CDRW, then transfer it to MD-player at a relatively slow speed. If Sony made it as easy to transfer music as the ipod, Mini-disc would probably have been a winner.

4) judging from hindsight, Ipod did what Minidisc should have done. Jobs makes it extremely easy to transfer songs to the device, he talked to the record studios and setup ITMS. So now there's a way to get more music without first buying the CD and ripping it onto the MP3 player.

To be fair, the record studios were probably not ready to do that when sony was pushing Mini-disc. I recall seeling Sony Music Mini-disc for sale, but that's it.
 

Antoneo

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Originally posted by: Chronoshock
Proprietary data formats get owned, if they had made it available to others it might have done better
I have seen Panasonic, Aiwa (I think is now a Sony division), Sharp, and Kenwood minidisc equipment so do you mean open format? All were of course more expensive compared to the CD players that were out and there was never much of an advertising campaign here in the United States. It seems that they are (were?) popular in Japan.
 

DeeKnow

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Originally posted by: brxndxn
Originally posted by: Riceball
Didn't Iomega have the high capacity floppy market locked with their zip disks?

The minidisc came out something like 7 years before the zip disk

besides that, i'd hope that being about a quarter of the size of your competition would have been useful... those mini-discs are tiny !
 

acemcmac

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I had one in highschool. Overpriced useless POS. I'm so glad I was able to cut my losses and recoup all but like 100$ selling out of that format. CDRW reading MP3 CD players, especially the polished ones from sony simply destroy the whole argument for having a minidisc player, unless you interact with live music.