Why did the Toronado not have overwelming amounts of torque steer?

[MikeMike]

every review ive heard, read, seen from way back when, and even today, there is noone who says that there was an overwhelming amount of torque steeer.

it was a FWD vehicle, with no computer, chain driven, 425 CI engine, 385 bhp.

wtf happened? how did they manage that?

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
every review ive heard, read, seen from way back when, and even today, there is noone who says that there was an overwhelming amount of torque steeer.

it was a FWD vehicle, with no computer, chain driven, 425 CI engine, 385 bhp.

wtf happened? how did they manage that?

I believe you mean the older version of the Toro. The later (post '86?) Toros used transverse mounted engines, which utilized standard FWD trannys.

Torque steer is due to unequal lengths of axle shafts. The longitudinal mounted V8 in the earlier Toros required a chain drive to transmit the power laterally. The axle shafts were of equal length (I think), which means equal torque on either side, which cancel out.

I was an engineering co-op @ Olds for 5 years from '82-87, the Toro was of great pride back then.

 

[MX2]

I think this is what he is talking about.

http://encyclopedia.classicoldsmobile.com/toronado/66.html

 

[MX2]

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[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: MX2times
I think this is what he is talking about.

http://encyclopedia.classicoldsmobile.com/toronado/66.html

Wow. That's awesome.

 

[91TTZ]

Probably because it weighed 165,000 lbs.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Probably because it weighed 165,000 lbs.

Yeah, because torque steer is effected by weight. :roll:

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Probably because it weighed 165,000 lbs.

Yeah, because torque steer is effected by weight. :roll:

My condolences.

I'm sorry to hear that your sense of humor died.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Probably because it weighed 165,000 lbs.

4,655 lb, to be exact

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Probably because it weighed 165,000 lbs.

Yeah, because torque steer is effected by weight. :roll:

well - if the vehicle actually weighed a lot there wouldn't be enough torque to create any noticable torque streer. i suspect it didn't weight enough for this to be the case though....

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Probably because it weighed 165,000 lbs.

Yeah, because torque steer is effected by weight. :roll:

My condolences.

I'm sorry to hear that your sense of humor died.

It's a heavy car, I agree. But that has nothign to do with torque steer. I fail to see the humor. Unless like Tommunist point out, you're using that 425ci big block and drive train to power a front wheel drive cement truck, then yeah, you probably wouldn't notice any torque steer even if there was any.

 

[iamwiz82]

yellowfiero is correct, equal length axle shafts eliminate torque steer.

 

[MikeMike]

so then wtf why not in new cars?

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
so then wtf why not in new cars?

It's cheaper to not do it that way. MINIs have equal length axleshafts.

 

[SupaDupaCheez]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
so then wtf why not in new cars?

It's cheaper to not do it that way. MINIs have equal length axleshafts.

I can vouch for that My Mini has almost zero torque steer.

If you want to experience some torque steer, find a Contour SVT. My Dad had one and it had some MASSIVE torque steer. I liked the Contour alot. It had a lot of power and very fun to drive but the torque steer could get you in trouble if you weren't careful. Any kind of depression in the road (like from 'Semi-truck tracks') and you were looking at the sidewalk in a hurry. Probably why the Contour SVT didn't last long.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: SupaDupaCheez

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
so then wtf why not in new cars?

It's cheaper to not do it that way. MINIs have equal length axleshafts.

I can vouch for that My Mini has almost zero torque steer.

If you want to experience some torque steer, find a Contour SVT. My Dad had one and it had some MASSIVE torque steer. I liked the Contour alot. It had a lot of power and very fun to drive but the torque steer could get you in trouble if you weren't careful. Any kind of depression in the road (like from 'Semi-truck tracks') and you were looking at the sidewalk in a hurry. Probably why the Contour SVT didn't last long.

The Taurus SHO was the same way. I drove a friend's at college and was like damn, if I bought that car and had to deal with that every time I accelerated hard I wouldn't have kept the car more than a couple days.

 

[hemiram]

My dad had one of the first ones, it was this yucky gold color. One of the reasons it didn't have much or really any torque steer was that the power steering was really overdone, and there was a big "dead zone" at the center, making it feel like there was no connection between the steering wheel and the steering. My uncle got one when my dad did and he used to do a lot of front wheel burnouts and I never saw any torque steer at all.