Why did Europeans open their arms to Muslims so much?

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Omar F1

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Most of the Muslims I seen in Germany are Turkish, which is part of Europe. I don't see a problem here.

Muslims have been worse than Europeans historically.
Obviously you still got a long mile to learn, read about the wars within Europe all over the ages.
What I mean, it looks like the whole humanity was fighting each other back then, it wasn't only Muslims. Did it change now and the humans suddenly became much more civilized? I'd rather say the nuclear language rules, that's why we got less wars now than before.
As I always say, wars are part of humanity nature, no nation shall pretend to be more civilized than others - just my personal view.
 

peonyu

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The Crusades started because of the war between the Byzantines and the Turks and had nothing to do with the Arabs at first who were tolerant to travelers to Jerusalem until the Turks conquered the city of Jerusalem and slaughtered everyone in a fucking cesspool of fucking inhumanity.


Arab-Muslims were trying to conquer Europe ever since Mohammad died. They laid siege to Rome itself numerous times before the first Crusade, they attacked and tried to colonize Sicily, they invaded Spain, invaded France, invaded Southern Italy, invaded the Levant and also tried to invade the Balkans all before the first Crusade happened. Meanwhile christian pilgrims WERE harassed by Muslims right before the first Crusade. The Byzantines did ask the Pope for assistance with the Turks and he agreed, but it was a combination of events that led to the First Crusade. One thing that is clear is that the aggression was on the part of the Muslims [and the Muslims were just beginning to start killing upto 100 million Hindus in India at this time to]. Of course reality is not politically correct sometimes, and thats why the PC heartfelt point of view of innocent Muslims being attacked in the Crusades is pushed alot...But its certainly a load of bullshit.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Italy#History

Saracens
Main article: History of Islam in southern Italy

"""The Italian island of Pantelleria (which lies between the western tip of Sicily and North Africa) was conquered by the Arabs in 700. The Arabs had earlier raided Roman Sicily in 652, 667 and 720 A.D.; Syracuse in the eastern end of the island was occupied for the first time temporarily in 708, but a planned invasion in 740 failed due to a rebellion of the Berbers of the Maghreb that lasted until 771 and civil wars in Ifriqiya lasting until 799. Arabian attacks on the island of Sardinia, less important than those on Sicily, failed to achieve its conquest although they induced its separation from the Roman Empire, giving birth to a period of Sardinian independence, the era of the giudicati.[citation needed]""



And thats only Italy, that doesnt even count the Muslim attacks on Sicily or countless other European/Christian lands. The first Crusade was in 1096 and you have Muslims laying siege to Rome 400 years prior...
 
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peonyu

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Most of the Muslims I seen in Germany are Turkish, which is part of Europe. I don't see a problem here.


Obviously you still got a long mile to learn, read about the wars within Europe all over the ages.
What I mean, it looks like the whole humanity was fighting each other back then, it wasn't only Muslims. Did it change now and the humans suddenly became much more civilized? I'd rather say the nuclear language rules, that's why we got less wars now than before.
As I always say, wars are part of humanity nature, no nation shall pretend to be more civilized than others - just my personal view.



Something like 5% of Turkey is on the European continent, to call them Europeans based on that is really stretching things. Culturally and religiously they are more connected to Central Asia and the Middle East anyways, though im sure Turkey wouldnt mind leaching off of the infidel EU economy for awhile though. Sort of like a Dhimmi pol-tax/Jizyah.
 

justoh

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Also, were you Swiss born (and have Swiss citizenship), but decided to move and live in another country in Europe for a while? Good luck trying to move back. Even with your Swiss citizenship, you are treated like an outcast - you aren't even allowed to live IN Zurich or any other major metropolitan city. You have to live outside of said cities.
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nonsense.
 

Omar F1

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Something like 5% of Turkey is on the European continent, to call them Europeans based on that is really stretching things. Culturally and religiously they are more connected to Central Asia and the Middle East anyways, though im sure Turkey wouldnt mind leaching off of the infidel EU economy for awhile though. Sort of like a Dhimmi pol-tax/Jizyah.

We don't call them Europeans of course, but thought it's much more connected to Europe, even one source mention that it shares 3% only with Europe.

I'd rather say they're more connected to Europe than Arabs in a lot of things, beside the religion of course.
My personal view that generally, they're more organized than us, much serious attitude, and they like to mind their own business.
Have you ever heard about a Turkish member in Al-Qaeda / ISIS / some bastard who shot innocents in Europe? I didn't.
 

sphenodont

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Instead of highly restricting in regards to immigration, knowing that Their religion is not really compatible with the European way of life? It would be like during the Crusades to open up all borders and say ALL CATHOLICS welcome.

You mean like when we (in America) let the Italians and the Irish in?
 

f1sherman

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We don't call them Europeans of course, but thought it's much more connected to Europe, even one source mention that it shares 3% only with Europe.

I'd rather say they're more connected to Europe than Arabs in a lot of things, beside the religion of course.
My personal view that generally, they're more organized than us, much serious attitude, and they like to mind their own business.
Have you ever heard about a Turkish member in Al-Qaeda / ISIS / some bastard who shot innocents in Europe? I didn't.

As usual peonyu has only very selective knowledge about what he's talking about.

Histories of Europe and Turkey are deeply intertwined, and you can't analyze history of one without telling a story about the other.
With traces of Turkish language, architecture, food and customs being evident in more than ten European countries.

And if there wasn't for Ottomans and Venice god knows what coffee we would be drinking today.
Proly some instant US crap, instead of that fine Italian espresso :p
 

realibrad

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since when is it okay to hit a woman?? Just saying...

If a woman is about to shoot an innocent person, maybe its ok then? What about a mom who is about to drown her children, and hitting her may stop her in time to save a child?

Hitting women can be okay. The idea that women cant be hit is sexist.
 

Abwx

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I'm not particularly educated on immigration in Europe. Are these terrorists actually european citizens or are they illegals that found their way in?

They are born in France and are of french citizenship, because their parents were of algerian citizenship they were also granted this nationality.
 

f1sherman

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I don't think a country is responsible for the actions of one of it's citizens, but being responsible for the actions of say 50,000 citizens strikes me as a different animal completely. Also:

Figures for European recruits to the Waffen-SS

And how many of those were ethnic Germans?

An overwhelming majority when it comes to Croatian SS units.
Also add a hefty amount of Bosnian muslims.
 

bronxzv

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Also, were you Swiss born (and have Swiss citizenship), but decided to move and live in another country in Europe for a while? Good luck trying to move back. Even with your Swiss citizenship, you are treated like an outcast - you aren't even allowed to live IN Zurich or any other major metropolitan city. You have to live outside of said cities.

sorry but you seem very deeply confused
 

Hugo Drax

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The same reason we "open our arms" to hispanics.

Hispanics, like The Chinese,Italians,Germans,etc.. came to this country to work and be part of our democratic fabric.

I welcome those Immigrants, they come here to work and be part of our democracy.

The Muslims want to turn the world into a Sharia controlled nightmare. Like when the Catholics in the Past tried to do during the Middle Ages.
 

raildogg

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Hispanics, like The Chinese,Italians,Germans,etc.. came to this country to work and be part of our democratic fabric.

I welcome those Immigrants, they come here to work and be part of our democracy.

The Muslims want to turn the world into a Sharia controlled nightmare. Like when the Catholics in the Past tried to do during the Middle Ages.

How do you know this? From reading what other people wrote? It seems like I've heard this many times before.

Middle Ages? I think we're living in times that are worse than the Middle Ages. Despite access to technological innovations and improvements, we human beings are just as shallow and petty as ever before - maybe even more so now. We're better armed than ever, we're better prepared for war than ever and we think so highly of ourselves more than ever. That's an ugly world right there. Yet, I'm sure we will continue to go on thinking what great beings we humans are.
 

inachu

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How do you know this? From reading what other people wrote? It seems like I've heard this many times before.

Middle Ages? I think we're living in times that are worse than the Middle Ages. Despite access to technological innovations and improvements, we human beings are just as shallow and petty as ever before - maybe even more so now. We're better armed than ever, we're better prepared for war than ever and we think so highly of ourselves more than ever. That's an ugly world right there. Yet, I'm sure we will continue to go on thinking what great beings we humans are.

It is the goal for Barbara Spectre as well and read all her tweets how she wants to ethnically cleanse white people off of earth.
 

raildogg

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It is the goal for Barbara Spectre as well and read all her tweets how she wants to ethnically cleanse white people off of earth.

Ok, let her say that. So what? I don't know about her but apparently she is clearly heavily conditioned and truly believes in her cause - just like we all do. We all think we're right and that's how we live. In fact, our conditioning worsens as we age.

It is truly sad when people use the mask of religion to push their agenda. It appears this is exactly what this Barbara Spectre is doing. Just like the so-called Islamists do and the other people who exploit religion for their personal gain or personal motivation. Judaism and Spectre have nothing to do with each other but it's sad when people see her being a so-called Jew and then ridiculing the whole religion - it shows their bigotry.
 
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Blanky

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Europeans have left something of value to the world during their pillaging - such as Technology. Computers, Flight, Space flight, Electricity, Cars, Air conditioning, Modern Medicine etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc. What has Islam left in its wake ? Poor populations who force their women to wear bags over their bodies. Populations who think all they need to learn is the Quran. Period. Considering that type of culture, is it any wonder progress has been so stifled in Islamic countries ? It really is the religion and the culture holding it back.
to which norseamd said "Such ignorance.".

I'd like him to expound exactly on where peonyu was wrong.

Muslims claim to be about 1/4 of the world's population, so I should expect they are well represented in some of the past century's great inventions, right? Except they aren't.

Many muslim countries treat their non-muslim inhabitants in ways reminiscent of how blacks were treated in the US a century ago. Thus it's to be expected that some of these values they have won't be shed when they step over the border into their new country.
I mean when western nations are destroying a state like Lybia and getting it to be ruled by extremists, who is influencing who.??.

What about the destruction of the Iraqi state, although highly corrupted, who did influence who when talking of the way peoples are living and how they get to live such lifes.?

In short muslims have about no influence in respect of the western world but the contrary is not true...
If you want my opinion on the Iraq war I think that Bush and his administration should have faced criminal prosecution for getting the US embroiled in it.
While the European far right points to Islamic terrorism to exclude and malign all Muslims,
the European left responds by refusing to recognize how fundamental a challenge Islamic terrorism represents
(or that it is inspired by Islam at all).
Haven't read that article yet but hell yes. What I just quoted says it better than I could. People like original earl seem to think there is no influencing factor behind Islam and terrorism, despite the huge bulk of terrorists being obviously influenced by it. Maybe he once knew a nice muslim and so incorrectly associates all muslims' behavior to his friend's. A muslim on NPR said 95% of the victims of terrorism in the world are Muslim. Hmm, I wonder why. Could it be because there's something uniquely sick in the religion to foster violence? NPR also said that France already has had spies in mosques to keep an eye on crazy fantatic talk. Hmm, I wonder why. Could it be because there's something uniquely sick in the religion to foster violence?

And of course polar opposite, many muslims speak out against this stuff and genuinely believe it is contrary to islam, so cannot all be painted as terrorists or terrorist sympathizers.
The amount of hatred spewed by people is slowly coming out.
I have seen articles about technology with a top rated comment about how a safety problem in a GM vehicle is Obama's fault. People are fucking insane.
This is obviously a religion problem, not just an Islam problem.
Obviously it isn't. When we start seeing car bombings and multiple terrorist events by people doing it in the name of Budha or Jesus, then please get back to me. Until then most of these terrorists are screaming allah snackbar and then slaughtering.
 

Abwx

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Muslims claim to be about 1/4 of the world's population, so I should expect they are well represented in some of the past century's great inventions, right? Except they aren't.

They are, it s you that are ignoring history.

When i was in school i remember that we were explained what is Laffer curve, that is that the yield of taxes increase up to the point where it become counterproductive, it took me the adult age to discover that Laffer didnt invent nothing and that this curve was already theorised by a muslim sociologist during the...13th century.

A lot of such things are named according to the western scientists that did re discover them centuries after this was already noticed, i can go at length about such case, just check what is the origin of algorithm, this word was construced using the inventor name.
 

Abwx

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Many muslim countries treat their non-muslim inhabitants in ways reminiscent of how blacks were treated in the US a century ago.

Hmm, I wonder why. Could it be because there's something uniquely sick in the religion to foster violence? NPR also said that France already has had spies in mosques to keep an eye on crazy fantatic talk. Hmm, I wonder why. Could it be because there's something uniquely sick in the religion to foster violence?

What about your country using forged pretense to invade a country, Iraq, and kill ten of thousand innocents people as a vengence for 11 september, notice that the iraqi people had nothing to do with thoses events, what about a fanatised country that approved thoses killing with a 90% rate..?.

Heck, 90% of US people agreed to go killing people from a nation that wasnt responsible for any murder in the US soil, i guess it takes a good dose of fanatism and hate to support such despicable wars.

Or this doesnt count since this was an official army that was sent doing the massacres..?.
 

Orignal Earl

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.What I just quoted says it better than I could. People like original earl seem to think there is no influencing factor behind Islam and terrorism, despite the huge bulk of terrorists being obviously influenced by it.

Well..there's nothing in the Qur'an about supporting terrorism is there?
It seems most terrorists come from countries with very high poverty and war, or countries with outsiders ruling over them like Ireland