Why conservatives love stand your ground?

[Doppel]

It was clicked on like a lab rat hitting a lever to dose itself with cocaine. The multiplication of threads also supports the importance assigned. The racial identity angle is obvious. It's up to you to explain the outlier behavior of this another way.

Good luck trying to get away from the resultant importance of race.



Oh look, the dumbest person on the board thinks his conclusions have force.

Your behavior is pretty much the textbook definition of trolling. We all do it sometimes, including me, but only when we acknowledge our weaknesses can we work on correcting them.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Your behavior is pretty much the textbook definition of trolling. We all do it sometimes, including me, but only when we acknowledge our weaknesses can we work on correcting them.

I bust his stones, but I think it's what passes for entertainment for him. It's hard to imagine that anyone could really be as obtuse yet boastful. Consequently my responses aren't really angry at all. It's sort of amusing and at least on my part not something I take seriously. I don't understand it, but I don't really take it to heart.

 

[Incorruptible]

Where is the OP? Gotta love how how this is another thread backfire for him and he runs away like the coward he is.

 

[Matt1970]

Oh look, the dumbest person on the board thinks his conclusions have force.

I have something growing in the back of my fridge that has more intelligence that you do. At the very least it has a better chance of coming up with more than one stupid little phrase like you have.

 

[Attic]

Oh look, the dumbest person on the board thinks his conclusions have force.

Not attaching any posters but I get a real kick out of these types of insults. Just straight and to the point, but in this case much funnier if ya leave off everything after "board".

 

[PrinceofWands]

I'll invoke the Fox News m.o. "some people say". I guess its not hard to figure out. At least one of the reasons.



http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...ole-in-floridas-stand-your-ground-law/1233152

Within the article is a link to spreadsheet showing the actual cases.

Ok Mr. Prejudiced, now explain why non-conservatives love the law.

 

[sportage]

Where is the OP? Gotta love how how this is another thread backfire for him and he runs away like the coward he is.

No one ever "wins" in any thread around here.
Unless you call smoke up ones ass winning?
Haven"t we learned at least one thing here, that no one wins?
Its like vomiting on a amusement park ride.
Looks fun at first, then you vomit, and after you either feel better or vomit again, till it stops spinning.
Or until the moderator closed it down.

 

[diesbudt]

Really? In the future you hope self defense will be seen as murder/manslaughter?

Wouldn't you love that? Someone attacks you and you have 2 options. Die, or go to prison. No, compared to some statements you do not get a third option.

'Merica

 

[Zaap]

Seriously, I HAVE to ask this. It always fascinates and frustrates me at the same time. I know I probably won't get a straight answer but I'll try to ask just the same:

WHY does the left consistently always take aim with both barrels and go firing full tilt... against the wrong target?

Leftwingers are all up in arms against "Stand Your Ground" and have tried (their usual) branding it as 'racist'... even though there's no evidence of that, in fact, just the opposite.

WHY?

It had nothing to do with the Treyvon Martin case (look, I didn't agree with that verdict either, but why would I then turn around and go shooting off against a completely different and unrelated law?) Yet that fact hasn't stopped leftwingers from trying to make it part of the case.

Is it because leftwingers all just jump on the same bandwagon, no matter how ignorant whoever starts the bandwagon rolling is? "Hey look! Some big mouthpiece lefty is going off half-cocked against 'stand your ground!' Let's jump on and get all outraged and break out the race card over it!"

Why is it leftwingers do this so often? (I know, I know, I'll get the standard counter of "rightwingers do it tooooooo!" toddler-mentality defense, but I'm asking the question of leftwingers and asking for a bit of introspection, not just more excuses.

 

[Doppel]

Seriously, I HAVE to ask this. It always fascinates and frustrates me at the same time. I know I probably won't get a straight answer but I'll try to ask just the same:

WHY does the left consistently always take aim with both barrels and go firing full tilt... against the wrong target?

Leftwingers are all up in arms against "Stand Your Ground" and have tried (their usual) branding it as 'racist'... even though there's no evidence of that, in fact, just the opposite.

WHY?

It had nothing to do with the Treyvon Martin case (look, I didn't agree with that verdict either, but why would I then turn around and go shooting off against a completely different and unrelated law?) Yet that fact hasn't stopped leftwingers from trying to make it part of the case.

Is it because leftwingers all just jump on the same bandwagon, no matter how ignorant whoever starts the bandwagon rolling is? "Hey look! Some big mouthpiece lefty is going off half-cocked against 'stand your ground!' Let's jump on and get all outraged and break out the race card over it!"

Why is it leftwingers do this so often? (I know, I know, I'll get the standard counter of "rightwingers do it tooooooo!" toddler-mentality defense, but I'm asking the question of leftwingers and asking for a bit of introspection, not just more excuses.

It's due to a generalized state of being retarded. The majority of people are extremely ignorant and talk well before they know about facts. Then when they hear facts they just don't care. This is why most people are proles. I don't think the right really fares better. Both sides are full of unbelievable ignoramuses.

If you saw that poll of people who responded to what they thought the GZ verdict should have been you could outright ban all the people who said 2nd degree from voting, just on account of their willful and celebrated ignorance. These people are very possibly beyond hope, and we all suffer for their opinions.

 

[Incorruptible]

Seriously, I HAVE to ask this. It always fascinates and frustrates me at the same time. I know I probably won't get a straight answer but I'll try to ask just the same:

WHY does the left consistently always take aim with both barrels and go firing full tilt... against the wrong target?

Leftwingers are all up in arms against "Stand Your Ground" and have tried (their usual) branding it as 'racist'... even though there's no evidence of that, in fact, just the opposite.

WHY?

It had nothing to do with the Treyvon Martin case (look, I didn't agree with that verdict either, but why would I then turn around and go shooting off against a completely different and unrelated law?) Yet that fact hasn't stopped leftwingers from trying to make it part of the case.

Is it because leftwingers all just jump on the same bandwagon, no matter how ignorant whoever starts the bandwagon rolling is? "Hey look! Some big mouthpiece lefty is going off half-cocked against 'stand your ground!' Let's jump on and get all outraged and break out the race card over it!"

Why is it leftwingers do this so often? (I know, I know, I'll get the standard counter of "rightwingers do it tooooooo!" toddler-mentality defense, but I'm asking the question of leftwingers and asking for a bit of introspection, not just more excuses.

Leftists are just a bunch of idiots. They are obsessed with race even though GZ wasn't racist. They have been proved wrong time and time again.

 

[Pens1566]

Where is the OP? Gotta love how how this is another thread backfire for him and he runs away like the coward he is.

Only July and we have the P&N "Ironic post of the year" award winner. Kudos.

 

[TerryMathews]

I'll invoke the Fox News m.o. "some people say". I guess its not hard to figure out. At least one of the reasons.



http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...ole-in-floridas-stand-your-ground-law/1233152

Within the article is a link to spreadsheet showing the actual cases.

Why do conservatives like "stand your ground"? [sic because you're an idiot - SYG wasn't involved with Zimmerman case]

Simple.

The improvements to traditional self-defense laws that prevent backdoor justice via other jurisdictions and civil judgments.

The founding fathers never intended for prosecutors to get multiple swings at the pinata - hence the double jeopardy clause in the Constitution. Know why they bothered to write it in? Of course not, a liberal douche like yourself has never bothered to educate yourself about the Constitution or it's background.

England has always been big on double jeopardy. They've had some varying degree of protection from it, strongest from 1969 until 2003. At the time of the American Revolution, any case that caught the right person's eye would be tried and tried again until the jury got the right verdict.

Also on an unrelated subject, can the rest of you imagine what would happen if HomerJS and DominionSeraph had a baby? I picture their combined intelligence would create a being so top heavy they would fall over. Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPGTEc4gTBg

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I'll invoke the Fox News m.o. "some people say". I guess its not hard to figure out. At least one of the reasons.



http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...ole-in-floridas-stand-your-ground-law/1233152

Within the article is a link to spreadsheet showing the actual cases.

Did you actually read what happened in those cases?

Location details: Fountain in Fountain, Bay County, on July 01, 2006
What happened: In Feb. 2007, Laurie Lynn Bartlett was convicted of manslaughter for stabbing to death her live-in boyfriend with a knife at their trailer. She ultimately claimed she was defending herself from a drunken man trying to force himself on her, but only after first telling police Ernest Lamar had fallen on a knife accidentally. Evidence at the trial was not clear-cut. An expert testified that some forensic evidence suggested the woman had prodded or teased her boyfriend before stabbing him. Other evidence supported her claim that he lunged at her.
The outcome: She was originally sentenced to 10 years in prison. The 1st District Court of Appeal reversed the sentence and ordered a new trial in October 2008, when she was again found guilty and sentenced to 10 years. She has served about five years and a petition to reduce her sentence was denied in Feb. 2012. Bartlett is in Hillsborough Correctional Institution.
Investigating agency: Bay County Sheriff
Case decision made by: Jury

Location details: In the kitchen of a mobile home owned by defendant and being rented by the victim in Tallahassee, Leon County, on Nov. 26, 2008
What happened: Ernestine Broxsie was renting her Tallahassee mobile home to Elbert Johnson while she was living in Winter Haven. During a visit to Tallahassee she was staying at the home and accused Johnson of stealing some of her personal items. Broxsie said Johnson reacted violently and threw her against the kitchen cabinets, choked her and threatened to kill her. Broxsie said she grabbed a pistol that happened to be on the counter and the two fought over it until it accidentally discharged. Johnson stumbled outside and collapsed dead on the porch steps. Broxsie was holding a rag to the wound, attempting to stop the bleeding, when the police arrived. She told investigators she had fired only once, but they found two spent bullet casings. Prosecutors argued that Broxsie would have had to have cocked and fired the gun twice, raising doubts about her version of events. Her wounds and the disarray of the house, however, supported her version of events.
The outcome: A judge granted Broxsie's motion for immunity under "stand your ground" on March 30, 2012.
Investigating agency: Leon County Sheriff
Case decision made by: Judge

Gotta love how they try to make race the reason for the outcome in these cases.

Two similar cases with one big difference — Bartlett's victim was white, Broxsie's was black.


The dramatic contrast in outcomes might not have had anything to do with the victims' race. But it reflects a reality about Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law.

 

[MrX8503]

I'm liberal and I support stand your ground. What does race have to do with stand your ground? Nothing. Everyone should have the right to self defense in a life threatening situation.

 

[TerryMathews]

I'm liberal and I support stand your ground. What does race have to do with stand your ground? Nothing. Everyone should have the right to self defense in a life threatening situation.

Shhh. You're interrupting Homer's liberal rage.

 

[HomerJS]

Where is the OP? Gotta love how how this is another thread backfire for him and he runs away like the coward he is.

Excuse me that's Mr. Coward to you. I don't always have time to spend every 5 minutes responding to crazy people...cough...cough...Incorruptible.

It would appear getting your thong in a bunch has less to do with me but with the study done by the Tampa Bay Times. It records the SUCCESS rates on SYG claims and notes the disparity when the person killed is black the SUCCESS rate is 73%. When the person killed is white the SUCCESS rate is 59%.

You cannot dispute these results.

Just in case you "forgot" to review the actual cases here ya go...

http://tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/data

 

[Jaskalas]

It would appear getting your thong in a bunch has less to do with me but with the study done by the Tampa Bay Times. It records the SUCCESS rates on SYG claims and notes the disparity when the person killed is black the SUCCESS rate is 73%. When the person killed is white the SUCCESS rate is 59%.

Well then, they should be happy that they kill each other more often. Will help their almighty "success rate".

 

[BoberFett]

Excuse me that's Mr. Coward to you. I don't always have time to spend every 5 minutes responding to crazy people...cough...cough...Incorruptible.

It would appear getting your thong in a bunch has less to do with me but with the study done by the Tampa Bay Times. It records the SUCCESS rates on SYG claims and notes the disparity when the person killed is black the SUCCESS rate is 73%. When the person killed is white the SUCCESS rate is 59%.

You cannot dispute these results.

Just in case you "forgot" to review the actual cases here ya go...

http://tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/data

It took you a while to move the goalposts.

 

[justoh]

Why is it leftwingers do this so often? (I know, I know, I'll get the standard counter of "rightwingers do it tooooooo!" toddler-mentality defense, but I'm asking the question of leftwingers and asking for a bit of introspection, not just more excuses.

Everyone does it, so asking why liberals do it seems to be missing the point you at least tacitly acknowledged: that both sides "jump on the bandwagon."

Grover Norquist was on bill maher's show last friday talking about syg, and pointed out that Zimmerman didn't use it, but maher, the rest of the panel, and the audience wouldn't hear it. Disappointing. But of course both sides do it. Still, better than being religious, the ultimate bandwagon

The bandwagon effect isn't difficult to understand at all and applies to everyone uncritical. And good luck arguing that the left is more susceptible to bandwagoning than the right, when their lot almost requires one to be uncritical.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Seriously, I HAVE to ask this. It always fascinates and frustrates me at the same time. I know I probably won't get a straight answer but I'll try to ask just the same:

WHY does the left consistently always take aim with both barrels and go firing full tilt... against the wrong target?

Leftwingers are all up in arms against "Stand Your Ground" and have tried (their usual) branding it as 'racist'... even though there's no evidence of that, in fact, just the opposite.

WHY?

It had nothing to do with the Treyvon Martin case (look, I didn't agree with that verdict either, but why would I then turn around and go shooting off against a completely different and unrelated law?) Yet that fact hasn't stopped leftwingers from trying to make it part of the case.

Is it because leftwingers all just jump on the same bandwagon, no matter how ignorant whoever starts the bandwagon rolling is? "Hey look! Some big mouthpiece lefty is going off half-cocked against 'stand your ground!' Let's jump on and get all outraged and break out the race card over it!"

Why is it leftwingers do this so often? (I know, I know, I'll get the standard counter of "rightwingers do it tooooooo!" toddler-mentality defense, but I'm asking the question of leftwingers and asking for a bit of introspection, not just more excuses.

I think it's called reductio ad racism.

 

[highland145]

http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/i...tand-your-ground-when-in-illinois-senate.html

 

[palehorse]

http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/i...tand-your-ground-when-in-illinois-senate.html

/mind explodes

 

[buckshot24]

It would appear getting your thong in a bunch has less to do with me but with the study done by the Tampa Bay Times. It records the SUCCESS rates on SYG claims and notes the disparity when the person killed is black the SUCCESS rate is 73%. When the person killed is white the SUCCESS rate is 59%.

You cannot dispute these results.http://tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/data

Should I pull out black crime rates? Black people commit more crimes and therefore are more likely to be killed in legitimate self defense.

 

[pcgeek11]

We love the "stand your ground law" because if someone attacks you you should Not be required to run away like a pussy.

Obama must be conservative too as he supported and co-authored the ILL bill:

In 2004 he co-sponsored S.B. 2386, which broadened the state’s Stand Your Ground law “by shielding the person who was attacked from being sued in civil court by perpetrators or their estates when a ’stand your ground’ defense is used in protecting his or her person, dwelling or other property.”