Why Catholic Schools Spell Success For America's Inner-City Children

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Well run homeschooling pwns them all.

Do you think kids miss out on the social interaction of a formal school education. Proms, athletics and those kind of things?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: alchemize
Well run homeschooling pwns them all.

Do you think kids miss out on the social interaction of a formal school education. Proms, athletics and those kind of things?

Not to mention advanced Math and Science Classes.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: alchemize
Well run homeschooling pwns them all.

except that some crazy parents teach kids wacked out shit

Yeah coz there's no wacko parents with kids in public schools :roll:

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: alchemize
Well run homeschooling pwns them all.

except that some crazy parents teach kids wacked out shit

and they wouldnt teach them anyway?

i know a few home schooled kids. 2 families are well above the local schools they would be going to. The kids are not sheltered and have a good social life.

one family is fucking nuts. the kids are 10-19 and none of them have a high school education. My 7yr old reads better then most of them.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: WashedInTheBloodOfTheLamb
...What I'm suggesting is that there's more to the success of Catholic schools than parental involvement, although that is certainly very important.

One other important factor in the success of non-public schools is their ability to be selective in student admission and retention. Public schools are forced to accept and deal with all comers; private schools can refuse admission to obvious "problems" and can easily expel "unsuitable" students.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: PJABBER
OP. don't worry about the wide range and type of commentary here. If you had taken the time to read some of the other threads you would see both extraordinary rudeness and extraordinary insight. Partisan hacks abound here! (Now, let's see how long it takes for me to be identified as such by the howling mobs!)
...

Project much?

If it's so painful, why do you abuse yourself by sticking around?

For some reason, the word pompous keeps running through my head...

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: alchemize
Well run homeschooling pwns them all.

Do you think kids miss out on the social interaction of a formal school education. Proms, athletics and those kind of things?

I think that plays a role. My friend was homeschooled from an early age, which meant little social interaction during most of his day (while all the other children in the neighborhood were at school). His mother tried to balance this out by getting him involved in theater groups. Unfortunately, theater groups tend to attract a huge amount of drug use, so my friend ended up spending quite a while using drugs (along with most of his friends, myself the lone exception). Would he have faced this in public school? Maybe, maybe not. I didn't. But I do think that his mother's quest for him to have some socialization was borne from her keeping him homeschooled, and ultimately that took him down a path with several years of hard drug abuse.

Growing up can be hard regardless of your form of schooling. Homeschooling just leaves a child with a different set of challenges.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: alchemize
Well run homeschooling pwns them all.

Do you think kids miss out on the social interaction of a formal school education. Proms, athletics and those kind of things?

I think that plays a role. My friend was homeschooled from an early age, which meant little social interaction during most of his day (while all the other children in the neighborhood were at school). His mother tried to balance this out by getting him involved in theater groups. Unfortunately, theater groups tend to attract a huge amount of drug use, so my friend ended up spending quite a while using drugs (along with most of his friends, myself the lone exception). Would he have faced this in public school? Maybe, maybe not. I didn't. But I do think that his mother's quest for him to have some socialization was borne from her keeping him homeschooled, and ultimately that took him down a path with several years of hard drug abuse.

Growing up can be hard regardless of your form of schooling. Homeschooling just leaves a child with a different set of challenges.

I've never seen the point of home schooling except to hide from world. It seems like a form of child abuse.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: WashedInTheBloodOfTheLamb
It's impressive that drawing from the same demographic, Catholic schools do a much better job of educating children at a much lower cost.

Perhaps public schools should model themselves after their poor cousins. Or better yet, maybe parents should be able to use some of their tax dollars going to failed public schools to send their children to the school of their choice.

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Where are you going to get the nuns to teach in these schools. What if the kids and their families are not Catholic?

When I was a kid my dad mentioned sending me to a catholic school. The big problem was I wasn't a Christian and it would have pissed me off more about school if I had been forced to listen to the dogma.

:disgust:

This isnt the 1950s. I went through Catholic school from K-10 and didnt see a single Nun in the classroom.

We had plenty of non catholics in the the two schools I attended. They had various options if they didnt want to participate in a religion class.

didn't go to shanley hs? where did you graduate from?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Well run homeschooling pwns them all.

absolutely fucking not

 

[jackschmittusa]

I have never been a particular fan of home schooling, but my oldest son and his wife do it to good effect. My daughter-in-law is an ex public school teacher, and even keeps her certification current. Their kids are well beyond their public school peers in knowledge, understanding, and reasoning. Each has their own computer and they are quite proficient with them. I really do have to give her credit. The kids are engaged in music, dance, karate, soccer, Scouting, etc. to ensure adequate social interaction as well. Religious indoctrination is not part of their schooling although they and their mother attend a local church on Sundays. It is a pleasure to go out to dinner, shopping, etc. with my grand kids because they are so well behaved.

I have seen home schooling work in this case, but I am also aware of the amount of time, effort, and money my son and his wife put into it. I wonder how many others do as much?

 

[First]

No one takes research from the Heritage foundation seriously. Sorry.

 

[MagicConch]

I think teachers have more individual authority in Catholic school but are also held more responsible and tracked for the current and future performance of their students; that was the case in the schools I went to at least.

Originally posted by: seemingly random
I've never seen the point of home schooling except to hide from world. It seems like a form of child abuse.

My mom is a pediatrician and she had one patient who had to be home schooled b/c he had some immune disorder as he was growing up.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Just about any form of schooling would be better than public schooling. The US public school system is a joke, it consistently places in the bottom percentiles among developed nations.

 

[Engineer]

I don't know how much better it is, but it's got to be better. With "Every Child Held Behind" (I know from people working in the schools and am amazed that they can do any teaching at all with what they face)...

It's all about test scores (who cares about real learning) and getting them ALL through the system.

The public school does need to be redone. Whether using Catholic private schools as a model is a good choice to model after I do not know. Maybe we should model the Japanese and some of the other countries that are consistently kicking our ass!

I will say this...if the private schools had the same students (all of them) as the public school system and were forced to keep them, they would not be nearly as effective as they are now. The schools system (public) has become a baby sitting service for many problem and handicapped children, period.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: MagicConch
I think teachers have more individual authority in Catholic school but are also held more responsible and tracked for the current and future performance of their students; that was the case in the schools I went to at least.

Originally posted by: seemingly random
I've never seen the point of home schooling except to hide from world. It seems like a form of child abuse.

My mom is a pediatrician and she had one patient who had to be home schooled b/c he had some immune disorder as he was growing up.

Seems appropriate for medical reasons. The disorder eventually went away? Interesting. Was this predicted?

I lived with a woman who taught accounting for a couple of years at a jesuit high school. She liked it a lot but, like others have commented, couldn't stay since the pay is close to slave labor. She was convinced that the boys acted well because they wore the uniform and there were no girls to divert their attention. The jesuits sure knew how to throw a party, too. I went to several on friday nights - gambling and drinking for 'charity'.