We should not get rid of them. We should cut them loose. US foreign policy should look after the US, anyone using the US foreign policy as a tool for Israel is a traitor.
HeroOfPellinor
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Terrorist bank on people like you. They do what they do because they hope people like you exist...people who think policy should be made based on whether or not it invites terrorism.
Yes Jewish people who would abandon their very homeland, its like Americans living abroad fighting against America
We never give up on any but we do need to focus on the ones that are willing to listen. Jesus knowing he had a limited time before his resurrection spent that time reaching as many as possible. Don't spend too long on one who isn't willing to be saved when 100 others are.Saving the 100 is doing the most good. We know from the Bible that every person will not be saved.Originally posted by: Romans828
Hey Bugs, lets not give up on him........ He needs our help
Lets get another Rome going guys and just sit tight and pissoff the visigoths and huns so they come pown our asses. Rome did the same thing were doing did it get them to a better place. Eventually the rest of the world will figure out that they outnumber us, and with this policy and were fuxored.
wow - i don't mind rants but i prefer them to be accurate
Not quite what happened - Jews had been settling the area for decades prior to the state just 'being put on the map.' It was a movement that had been slowly building. The region was fairly empty at the time, with not much value or population. I think the 600,000 was the number pegged by the Ottomans prior to settlement.
Also the first war isreal used a lot of french and british weapons - no US support. Defenses were really 'rag tag.'
huh? Isreal is the only country in the region were people (both men and women) can vote, speak, and practice their religion. Arabs make up about 20% of the population, and that is reflected more or less in the Isreals parliment.
Excellent point, but WHY don't the work? Why did the oslo Accords fail and more violence occur? Isreal was willing to concede land, give up part of jerurslem, among other things. It may not have been the deal arafat wanted, but his response is violence, and not more negoiating.
Another point - Isreal does have a history of returning land in exchange for peace, otherwise Eygpt wouldn't have their oil fields. Though Eygpt had to sign a peace treaty.
Because Isreal is the only democracy in the region. One of the few states Muslisms won't be killed for converting to Christinty. Where you can say negitive things about Yawah and Mommand(sp?) and not be arrested, and killed. Isreal is not perfect - they do have some bad policies- but they have supported us also, time and time again.
I never under stood the whole jewish media thing. Am I missing all the pro-isreal and pro-jewish movies? Or Tv shows - I can't think of any? I hear quite abit negitive in the news about isreal - everytime there is an suicide bomber, or an isrealie helichopter targets and kill some one.
or the fact that isreal is in the news more then sudan is evidence of zionist hold on america's media....hmmmm....
HeroOfPellinor
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Yes.
If your kid throws a tantrum and you ignore him or punish him for it s he likely to keep doing it? If he throws a tantrum and you get him what he wants so he'll stop throwing a tantrum, how likely is he to throw tantrums in the future? How likely are his brothers and sisters to start also throwing tantrums?
Terrorists have failed to get what they want through any kind of political or military means, so they turn to terrorism. They inflict terror to intimidate or coerce people to give them what they want. When you give them what they want, you've proven their logic to be sound.
I hope I'm arguing with kids here and have managed to enlighten you all this afternoon. If you're actually adults, then God help us all...literally.
sandorski
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Get rid of Israel? No. Some things can be done though:
1) Insist on the implementation of the original agreement that established Israel. This includes the originally drawn borders and Palestinian State.
2) If Israel refuses, cutoff their funding, but gaurantee their defense if attacked.
3) If Israel wants to continue down their idiotic path, make them go it alone.
1) Insist on the implementation of the original agreement that established Israel. This includes the originally drawn borders and Palestinian State.
2) If Israel refuses, cutoff their funding, but gaurantee their defense if attacked.
3) If Israel wants to continue down their idiotic path, make them go it alone.
AT this point its a religious war wich by the constitution we have no place suporting. Supporting isreal is directly supporting a religious war. Seperation of church and state thrown right out the window not like it wasnt obvious 10 years ago though.
Actually, ALOT of Jews were against the creation of Israel to begin with. It wasn't until that fuckwad Hitler started mass killing Jews that they had had enough and desided to fallow the zionist way of thinking and desided they wanted to create a country of their own. Most Jews at that time were quite content at living their lives where ever they were in the world. But thanks to good ol Hitler and to some degree the brits (The brits had promised that land to the palestinians/Arabs, but then desided to include the jews, after hitlers little rampage through europe) this mess was created.
Also, it's very unfair of you to equate jews who are/were against the creation of Israel to terrorists. The nationalist way of thinking wasn't how Jews were at the time. There were religious reasons for them being against the creation of Israel (though I can't remember what it was, been awhile).
no problem.
Personally i doubt the region will ever have peace. If Isreal were to disappear tomorrow do you think the climate would change? Instead of the zoinists, the US, EU, or UN would be the blame for everything.
Well there are a couple options..
1)Politically speaking, Israel's only friend is Israel (and much of the Jewish diaspora). While one might argue that turning that section of the world into a thermonuclear grease spot would stop the conflict at hand, the resulting chaos would be far less acceptable than the current situation.
The result would be extremely interesting in the sense of seeing the Judeo-Christian reaction to the literal evaporation of supposedly sanctified and presumably eternal (in the corporeal sense) land, but ethical considerations aside, it's not something you would want to watch from anywhere closer than, say .. Mars..?
2)Due to political climate and technological advances, Israel offers us little stragegic benefit (or, if you are counting arab sentiment towards us - negative benefit), so the best thing to do might be to go our separate ways. Of course, that would result in an arab uprising, culminating in the deaths of tens of thousands of Israelis, and millions of arabs, when Israel decides that she needs to use (our) nukes to protect herself. Arab factional leaders haven't shown themselves to even have the sense of Kruschev, and just because they aren't holding the other side of the M.A.D. stick doesn't mean they'll have the sense not to provoke such a reaction. Of course, with us out of the picture, Israel may not even look for provocation, simply at prevention.
3)We could just sit on our thumbs and maintain the status quo, and hope that the fundamentally race related global war that is brewing will wait a couple generations, and then our kids will have a nice war industry to help pay off their deficit.
1)Politically speaking, Israel's only friend is Israel (and much of the Jewish diaspora). While one might argue that turning that section of the world into a thermonuclear grease spot would stop the conflict at hand, the resulting chaos would be far less acceptable than the current situation.
The result would be extremely interesting in the sense of seeing the Judeo-Christian reaction to the literal evaporation of supposedly sanctified and presumably eternal (in the corporeal sense) land, but ethical considerations aside, it's not something you would want to watch from anywhere closer than, say .. Mars..?
2)Due to political climate and technological advances, Israel offers us little stragegic benefit (or, if you are counting arab sentiment towards us - negative benefit), so the best thing to do might be to go our separate ways. Of course, that would result in an arab uprising, culminating in the deaths of tens of thousands of Israelis, and millions of arabs, when Israel decides that she needs to use (our) nukes to protect herself. Arab factional leaders haven't shown themselves to even have the sense of Kruschev, and just because they aren't holding the other side of the M.A.D. stick doesn't mean they'll have the sense not to provoke such a reaction. Of course, with us out of the picture, Israel may not even look for provocation, simply at prevention.
3)We could just sit on our thumbs and maintain the status quo, and hope that the fundamentally race related global war that is brewing will wait a couple generations, and then our kids will have a nice war industry to help pay off their deficit.
wait just a minute.......... I never equated them to terrorists (although they seem to support the same objectives)
i don't think you understand. Israel is our trump card, we support them more than any other country financially as our trump card. they are their to keep tabs on the entire middle east, without them their OPEC would be blinging it up to $50/barrel
not to mention if the middle eastern countries weren't united in their hate against israel, then they'd be mass murdering each other, Kuwait vs Iraq vs Iran vs Saudia Arabia vs SUV
not to mention if the middle eastern countries weren't united in their hate against israel, then they'd be mass murdering each other, Kuwait vs Iraq vs Iran vs Saudia Arabia vs SUV
Maybe not directly, but you indirectly linked them in the way you worded your statement. And no, the Jews who were against the creation of Israel are in no way like Americans living abroad fighting against America (as they usually do so by joining groups like Al Qaeda).
where in the constitution does the term "seperation of church and state" appear? and how is it a "religious war" when the israreli government is run by a constitution and a secular government of thier own instead of the law of moses and the talmud?
here are some historical facts that piss many people off...as FACTS often do...
1. there has never..EVER been a nation called palestine...never.
2. the roman province of JUDEA (named after the northern jewish kingdom of judah) was changed to "palestina" by imperial decree after the bar kochba revolt. jerusalem was wiped out and renamed "Aelia Capitolina" and the jews were expelled from thier homeland
3. the word "palestine" is a anglicazation of the greekand latin word "palestina" which itself is derived from the hebrew word "peleshet"(often translated in english as philistine) meaning "divider" or "invader"
4. prior to the 1967 arab-israeli war, there was no movement for a "palestinian homeland"
5. the region known as palestine was divided, 20% to the jews, 80% to the arabs. there is a "palestinian" homeland of sorts, it is called JORDAN.
4. the ancient philistines were not arabs, nor even spoke a semitic language such as hebrew, arabic, or aramaic.
5. yassir arafat is not a "palestinian" his nationality egyptian and speaks egyptian arabic. his uncle was the grand mufti of jerusalem during WW2 and an ally of the germans. arafat repetedly calls for the extermintion of the jews on PLO radio.
kylebisme
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anotations to your facts:
2. the roman province of JUDEA (named after the northern jewish kingdom of judah) was changed to "palestina" by imperial decree after the bar kochba revolt. jerusalem was wiped out and renamed "Aelia Capitolina" and the jews were expelled from thier homeland
-no one alive today is in anyway responsable for that.
3. the word "palestine" is a anglicazation of the greekand latin word "palestina" which itself is derived from the hebrew word "peleshet"(often translated in english as philistine) meaning "divider" or "invader"
-this has no relvence to the palestinians of modren times who were born on the land in question.
4. prior to the 1967 arab-israeli war, there was no movement for a "palestinian homeland"
-that is because they already lived there and were happy with things the way they were.
5. the region known as palestine was divided, 20% to the jews, 80% to the arabs. there is a "palestinian" homeland of sorts, it is called JORDAN.
-divided is a poor way of putting it as they lived peacefully together. as for the Palistian homeland, it sure as hell is not Jordan for the people born in the region of Palistine; for such people their homeland is Palistine.
2. the roman province of JUDEA (named after the northern jewish kingdom of judah) was changed to "palestina" by imperial decree after the bar kochba revolt. jerusalem was wiped out and renamed "Aelia Capitolina" and the jews were expelled from thier homeland
-no one alive today is in anyway responsable for that.
3. the word "palestine" is a anglicazation of the greekand latin word "palestina" which itself is derived from the hebrew word "peleshet"(often translated in english as philistine) meaning "divider" or "invader"
-this has no relvence to the palestinians of modren times who were born on the land in question.
4. prior to the 1967 arab-israeli war, there was no movement for a "palestinian homeland"
-that is because they already lived there and were happy with things the way they were.
5. the region known as palestine was divided, 20% to the jews, 80% to the arabs. there is a "palestinian" homeland of sorts, it is called JORDAN.
-divided is a poor way of putting it as they lived peacefully together. as for the Palistian homeland, it sure as hell is not Jordan for the people born in the region of Palistine; for such people their homeland is Palistine.
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