Why can't we buy AMD E-450s?

[cebalrai]

Anyone know?

 

[leper84]

If I had to take a guess I would bet oems are buying every 450 they can make.

 

[cebalrai]

If I had to take a guess I would bet oems are buying every 450 they can make.

Yeah maybe. But AMD has a higher profit margin selling them to us.

 

[nyker96]

I think you can buy it w/ chipset. I think i saw a e350 in a ITX package on newegg while back. you just can't get it cpu only.

 

[Tuna-Fish]

Yeah maybe. But AMD has a higher profit margin selling them to us.

But the sale to the OEM has a longer tail, and long-running OEM contracts are a much more secure source of revenue.

 

[Puppies04]

But the sale to the OEM has a longer tail, and long-running OEM contracts are a much more secure source of revenue.

Plus if AMD tell dell "sorry we can't make them quick enough for you, we know you ordered 10000 units but we can only send 5000" then dell see every hardware vendor has them in stock it would kind of piss dell off which is something you really don't want to do as a chip manufacturer.

People assume that if you are building your own pc with a manufacturers components should get you kudos from that manufacturer for being a loyal customer but in reality you are absolute bottom of the food chain because even with inflated prices modders won't even account for 1% of total profit (infact most of the difference in price between what you pay per unit and what dell pays per unit is taken up by profit for the third party that sold you the chip).

 

[Arg Clin]

Just checked here (Denmark). I seems to be available on the Asus E45M1-pro. Several well-reputed vendors claims to have it in stock.

 

[frostedflakes]

There are some laptops out there with it, HP released an updated dm1z that has it. Lenovo is also coming out with the X130e that uses it, and if ASUS and Acer don't have laptops using it yet I'm sure they will soon enough. A quick NewEgg search shows 8 laptops from various manufacturers (Sony, HP, Toshiba, MSI, etc.) that use the APU.

If you're talking about ITX boards, it's a bit harder to find in one of those, seems like most still are only available with the E-350. It's not like E-450 is a huge speed boost over E-350, though, and if you get a mini ITX or microATX board that supports overclocking, you can probably reach E-450 speeds and beyond with an E-350 from a modest bus OC. So updating their Brazos boards to E-450 might not be a huge priority for board makers. Or as others suggested supplies may still be pretty limited due to OEMs gobbling them up.

 

[cebalrai]

Just checked here (Denmark). I seems to be available on the Asus E45M1-pro. Several well-reputed vendors claims to have it in stock.

Or this thing... and HOLY GIANT HEAT SINK!
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_CPU_on_Board/E45M1I_DELUXE/

But my point is, these things were announced and apparently released several months ago. But as far as I've seen they've never actually been sold anywhere.

 

[cebalrai]

Plus if AMD tell dell "sorry we can't make them quick enough for you, we know you ordered 10000 units but we can only send 5000" then dell see every hardware vendor has them in stock it would kind of piss dell off which is something you really don't want to do as a chip manufacturer.

People assume that if you are building your own pc with a manufacturers components should get you kudos from that manufacturer for being a loyal customer but in reality you are absolute bottom of the food chain because even with inflated prices modders won't even account for 1% of total profit (infact most of the difference in price between what you pay per unit and what dell pays per unit is taken up by profit for the third party that sold you the chip).

If all this were true, how come we were sold Llanos when there was a shortage from day one? There was a shortage of E-350s for a while and we've been able to buy them from the start as well.

 

[Arg Clin]

Or this thing... and HOLY GIANT HEAT SINK!
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_CPU_on_Board/E45M1I_DELUXE/

But my point is, these things were announced and apparently released several months ago. But as far as I've seen they've never actually been sold anywhere.

Yes exactly that one. They're being sold here - for what it's worth.

Seems to be physically similar to the E-350 (which I own) - wouldn't exactly call the heatsink huge. It's miniITX so not really room for anything huge on there.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Or this thing... and HOLY GIANT HEAT SINK!
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_CPU_on_Board/E45M1I_DELUXE/

But my point is, these things were announced and apparently released several months ago. But as far as I've seen they've never actually been sold anywhere.

I have the same heatsink on my Atom ION..it's smaller than my Notua colling my i7 920...a matter of perspective

 

[cebalrai]

Here's one selling on Amazon UK for a preposterous 110 GBP.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-E45M1-M-PRO-Motherboard-Integrated/dp/B005O43SI8

 

[cbn]

Plus if AMD tell dell "sorry we can't make them quick enough for you, we know you ordered 10000 units but we can only send 5000" then dell see every hardware vendor has them in stock it would kind of piss dell off which is something you really don't want to do as a chip manufacturer.

Yep, it is the battle of the semi-conductor designers vs the device makers.

Maybe Intel has the resources to eventually rebalance this situation?

 

[Zap]

Maybe the E-350 didn't sell well enough in NA and the mobo manufacturers are waiting for the channel to clear up? IDK what's going on, but really, there's hardly any difference. I haven't checked my two E-350 boards, but do any of them support overclocking? The differences, AFAIK, are:

60MHz higher CPU clock
100MHz higher GPU clock
DDR3-1333 support instead of just 1066

AFAIK the CPU performance was a bigger limitation than GPU or RAM in most things (games, HD Netflix).

 

[VirtualLarry]

Maybe the E-350 didn't sell well enough in NA and the mobo manufacturers are waiting for the channel to clear up? IDK what's going on, but really, there's hardly any difference. I haven't checked my two E-350 boards, but do any of them support overclocking? The differences, AFAIK, are:

60MHz higher CPU clock
100MHz higher GPU clock
DDR3-1333 support instead of just 1066

AFAIK the CPU performance was a bigger limitation than GPU or RAM in most things (games, HD Netflix).

This. There's very little that the E-450 can do, that the E-350 cannot. There is hardly any difference between them.

I was looking forward to the 28nm shrink of Zacate, but it seems it was cancelled?

 

[podspi]

My current understanding of the 28nm refresh (someone correct me if I'm wrong) is that it didn't make sense, given TSMC's increased 28nm pricing, so AMD is sticking to refreshing Bobcat @ 40nm, until they roll out with updated arch on 28nm sometime in the future (who knows when).


I've also heard rumors that Bobcat's engineering team all jumped ship to Samsung, but I have no idea how true that is. I'm hoping it isn't...

 

[IonusX]

My current understanding of the 28nm refresh (someone correct me if I'm wrong) is that it didn't make sense, given TSMC's increased 28nm pricing, so AMD is sticking to refreshing Bobcat @ 40nm, until they roll out with updated arch on 28nm sometime in the future (who knows when).


I've also heard rumors that Bobcat's engineering team all jumped ship to Samsung, but I have no idea how true that is. I'm hoping it isn't...

this was a rumor started by BSN.. they have little evidence to support this however

 

[cebalrai]

Maybe the E-350 didn't sell well enough in NA and the mobo manufacturers are waiting for the channel to clear up? IDK what's going on, but really, there's hardly any difference. I haven't checked my two E-350 boards, but do any of them support overclocking? The differences, AFAIK, are:

60MHz higher CPU clock
100MHz higher GPU clock
DDR3-1333 support instead of just 1066

AFAIK the CPU performance was a bigger limitation than GPU or RAM in most things (games, HD Netflix).

I think also the gpu turbos.

Basically I prefer to have the latest and greatest version. The E-450s were released in September so I have a hard time buying the older gen tech, even if it's not too different.

 

[sm625]

If all this were true, how come we were sold Llanos when there was a shortage from day one? There was a shortage of E-350s for a while and we've been able to buy them from the start as well.

That's because E-350 mini-itx boards were always too expensive, and they still are. It should cost no more than $65 for an E-350 mini-itx board combo. If they were $65 they would not have been available.

 

[Chiropteran]

That's because E-350 mini-itx boards were always too expensive, and they still are. It should cost no more than $65 for an E-350 mini-itx board combo. If they were $65 they would not have been available.

Are you kidding? On newegg the cheapest Atom mini itx board is over $80, while there is this E-350 for $64.99 after rebate-

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813135290

I don't think the pricing was or is the problem, as they are priced right where they should be.

 

[Zap]

I don't think the pricing was or is the problem, as they are priced right where they should be.

Yes, compared to their competition they are priced... competitively. The more expensive ones typically have more features such as Asus with their huge passive heatsinks, some come with MCE remotes, maybe some have WiFi.