Why can't people see the difference between a handgun and, say, a swimming pool?

[techs]

It flabbergasts me the argument made by the crazed gun nuts who want everyone to walk around packing, that whenever someone gets hurt or killed by an everyday item they immediately try to show some relationship to handguns.
I have seen at least 40 posts in this forum and Off Topic trying to make comparisons, including two quite recently, regarding a drowning and a knifing and adding "should we ban swimming pools, should we ban knives?"
Swimming pools are not designed to kill you. You don't carry around a swimming pool in your pocket so you can rush to the rescue and kill a mugger, or pull your gun to defend ourself from a mugger. A swimming pool is a recreational device. A gun is a killing machine.
Knives have a million and one uses. Guns have one use. Knives can be made in a few minutes by anyone with a hunk of metal and file. Guns need to be manufactured in a special factory. Banning knives as an analogy to the bannning of guns is ridiculous. However, banning knives in certain places like schools is a workable idea, though once again if someone really wants one, they could get one. Though random searches in schools have discourage the practive of routinely carrying knives.

So, to summarize:
Guns are designed to kill people. In fact, almost none of the guns that people carry with a ccw have any other purpose, since they are not designed for hunting.
Regular everyday dangers like swimming pools can kill you, but that is not what they are designed for.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Politics, news or flamebait?

Hmmmmm

 

[sandorski]

I dunno. What if a Pool was intended to act as a Moat? Then it could be considered a weapon I think.

 

[StageLeft]

They are used to the strawman argument. I think these deceitful retorts by "gun nuts" must be in a secret manual that all NRA members get as a way to ambush any reasonable argument on guns.

Bob: "Guy goes on rampage, we should probably look at limiting access to guns."
Frank: "More people die of cancer than guns, let's concentrate on that."
Bob: "Frank you are a f**ktard, piss off."

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

WTF...there's a diffference !?!

 

[lupi]

I know. I was just in chinamart the other day to pick up an above ground pool for home protection, and the guy in sporting goods said it would be better to get a shotgun. Who the fuck would have thought of that.



I mean, that whole bill of rights crap non-withstanding ya know.

 

[shiner]

Because you touch yourself at night.

 

[rstove02]

Well a gun can drown in a pool, so pools are more dangerous.

 

[KB]

Guns for hundreds of years have been used for recreation, hunting, and self-defense from both animals and people. Its true all of these items can be done solely with rifles; however handguns can also be used for these purposes. I don't see the purpose of handguns being just to kill. The purpose of CCW and handguns is to deter. In the same way stores use those ink tag on clothes - they don't do it to stop theft, they do it to deter theft.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: rstove02
Well a gun can drown in a pool, so pools are more dangerous.

Also, water can stop bullets. The more I think about it, the more I think a pool is a damned good counter against a firearm.

 

[extra]

Except they aren't designed to kill you.

A pistol is designed to protect you from getting robbed/raped/or killed yourself.

 

[piasabird]

I think the argument against Bicycles and Mororcycles would be better than Swimming Pools. It seemes like public swimming pools are less popular now adays, but they are probably safer than private swimming pools with no life guard on duty.

Children die every year in bicycle accidents, so we should just ban Bicycles. Guns do not kill people. People kill people.
How many people are killed with Butcher Knives or Kitchen Knives? Why dont we ban Knives? Knives are designed to cut things!

Why do we make Motorcycle riders wear helmets, and we dont do the same for people who drive cars? I bet if you did a study, you would find that most people that die in car accidents, die from Head Trama???? So logic says everyone in a car should be required to have a helmet on!

This is all about the Left wanting to take away the freedom of the people. It is the Tyrany of the Left, the Anti Freedom Party.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Sure there's a difference...a gun can keep you alive and stop crimes...a pool (unless it's the much discussed moat) can do neither. A pool is a useless luxury, a gun is a life saving necessity.

 

[RichardE]

Anything worth shooting once, its worth shooting two more times..

in the back of the head.

 

[palehorse]

Stupid people account for more than half of all deaths.. i vote that we ban stupid people immediately!

You're out of here Techs...

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: palehorse
Stupid people account for more than half of all deaths.. i vote that we ban stupid people immediately!

You're out of here Techs...

Who made you the decider?

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: techs
It flabbergasts me the argument made by the crazed gun nuts who want everyone to walk around packing, that whenever someone gets hurt or killed by an everyday item they immediately try to show some relationship to handguns.
I have seen at least 40 posts in this forum and Off Topic trying to make comparisons, including two quite recently, regarding a drowning and a knifing and adding "should we ban swimming pools, should we ban knives?"
Swimming pools are not designed to kill you. You don't carry around a swimming pool in your pocket so you can rush to the rescue and kill a mugger, or pull your gun to defend ourself from a mugger. A swimming pool is a recreational device. A gun is a killing machine.
Knives have a million and one uses. Guns have one use. Knives can be made in a few minutes by anyone with a hunk of metal and file. Guns need to be manufactured in a special factory. Banning knives as an analogy to the bannning of guns is ridiculous. However, banning knives in certain places like schools is a workable idea, though once again if someone really wants one, they could get one. Though random searches in schools have discourage the practive of routinely carrying knives.

So, to summarize:
Guns are designed to kill people. In fact, almost none of the guns that people carry with a ccw have any other purpose, since they are not designed for hunting.
Regular everyday dangers like swimming pools can kill you, but that is not what they are designed for.

I take it you have never gone shot-gun or pistol shooting. It might surprise you to know that Yes, you can have fun with guns without killing something (OMG!!) They are special places called "Shooting ranges" Where you can shoot at targets, clay pigeons, Ect. Taking a friend along and having competitions with him are very fun.

Yes, the first design purpose of a gun was to kill something, but arguably so was the first purpose for a knife. That doesn't mean you can't do other things with guns besides killing stuff. Like I said, target practice, especially with a friend, is a lot of fun.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Swimming pools are not protected by the bill of rights, therefore, it would be a much smaller legal battle to ban swimming pools than it would be to ban guns. Also, knives are technically "arms", so they are protected by the second amendment, therefore, it is unconstitutional to ban them.

I don't think I've ever heard anybody say that "everyone should walk around packing." I think the argument is usually "I am guaranteed the right to bear arms by the constitution so therefore, it must be my choice weather or not to carry." Also, the whole argument "you don't NEED one so you shouldn't carry one" is a moot point. People do lots of things that they do not NEED to do. They do things because they want to do them. It's one of the great things about being free, people can make your own decisions.

People who want guns banned should go and live in Chicago. Handguns are pretty much banned across the whole city and there is no CCW in Illinois. Open Carry is not legal except in certain unincorporated area. Also, avoid about 1/2 of the city because otherwise you will eventually become a statistic. That said, I think in some parts of Chicago, you wouldn't be safe unless you had a grenade launcher, RPG, or perhaps one of those machine guns off of an A10.

 

[Xavier434]

The largest problem imo concerning guns is how the manufacturing and distribution procedures are regulated. I really don't have any issues with people owning guns for home defense, hunting, or just to have some fun at a shooting range. However, my issue is that during the manufacturing and distribution processes there happens to be a lot of loopholes which never get plugged. They try to regulate it, but that regulation just is not as tight as it should be.

Let me offer an overly simplified example:

Step 1: 50 handguns get shipped from point A to point B.
Step 2: 48 of these guns arrive at point B even though 50 are expected.
Step 3: Point B contacts point A and says wtf?
Step 4: Point A says something to the effect of "Oh! We only meant to ship 48. Please fix your records on your end. I will have someone on my end check up on this issue."
Step 5: The person at Point A is in on the scam and is getting a cut from the money which is made by selling those 2 "lost" handguns illegally. He fixes everything up so it looks nice and neat.

Now, before some of you rush in here and quote me with your titty fits, understand that I realize that there are policies and procedures which are set in place which are meant to prevent this kind of nonsense from happening. The problem here is not the policies and how they are intended to work. The problem is the regulation of those policies. The problem is the shady people involved within the industry who cover up these kinds of "mistakes". These weapons tend to exchange hands far too often which is one of the leading causes for these kinds of issues that result in more guns falling into the hands of people that should not have them.

 

[brandonb]

Techs, why do you even post, because you aren't going to change your mind based on anything we say. So your thread does very little.

1) Guns are used to hunt.
2) Guns are used as a noise maker (weddings in Arab worlds).
3) Guns are used to protect your self.
4) Guns are used to prevent the government from being too powerful and oppressing the people.
5) Guns are used as a deterrent for crime.
6) Guns trade and related supplies create jobs, revenue, and stimulate the economy.

Thats 6 reasons for guns. According to the spirit of the 2nd amendment, the only one I even care about is bullet point #4. I own 3 guns, over 2000 rounds of ammo. Not to protect my home from a robber, but to protect myself from my government. I have enough to loan my equipment to my neighbor too, so they can help if necessary and they desire too.

 

[jjones]

Guns are fun. You just don't like fun.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: brandonb
Techs, why do you even post, because you aren't going to change your mind based on anything we say. So your thread does very little.

1) Guns are used to hunt.
2) Guns are used as a noise maker (weddings in Arab worlds).
3) Guns are used to protect your self.
4) Guns are used to prevent the government from being too powerful and oppressing the people.
5) Guns are used as a deterrent for crime.
6) Guns trade and related supplies create jobs, revenue, and stimulate the economy.

Thats 6 reasons for guns. According to the spirit of the 2nd amendment, the only one I even care about is bullet point #4. I own 3 guns, over 2000 rounds of ammo. Not to protect my home from a robber, but to protect myself from my government. I have enough to loan my equipment to my neighbor too, so they can help if necessary and they desire too.

#4 is just crazy talk. Even if the threat you are proposing became a reality, there is no way you could fend off the government even if they did choose to go this route. You would be much better off leaving the country if it got that bad anyways.

 

[SP33Demon]

OP, you neglected to answer to my question from the other thread:
If biometric fingerprint chips (now available) are mandated by law for guns, would you approve of CCW's?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
The largest problem imo concerning guns is how the manufacturing and distribution procedures are regulated. I really don't have any issues with people owning guns for home defense, hunting, or just to have some fun at a shooting range. However, my issue is that during the manufacturing and distribution processes there happens to be a lot of loopholes which never get plugged. They try to regulate it, but that regulation just is not as tight as it should be.

Let me offer an overly simplified example:

Step 1: 50 handguns get shipped from point A to point B.
Step 2: 48 of these guns arrive at point B even though 50 are expected.
Step 3: Point B contacts point A and says wtf?
Step 4: Point A says something to the effect of "Oh! We only meant to ship 48. Please fix your records on your end. I will have someone on my end check up on this issue."
Step 5: The person at Point A is in on the scam and is getting a cut from the money which is made by selling those 2 "lost" handguns illegally. He fixes everything up so it looks nice and neat.

Now, before some of you rush in here and quote me with your titty fits, understand that I realize that there are policies and procedures which are set in place which are meant to prevent this kind of nonsense from happening. The problem here is not the policies and how they are intended to work. The problem is the regulation of those policies. The problem is the shady people involved within the industry who cover up these kinds of "mistakes". These weapons tend to exchange hands far too often which is one of the leading causes for these kinds of issues that result in more guns falling into the hands of people that should not have them.

That was stupid. No, let me rephrase that. You are stupid.

 

[yllus]

Somehow I don't think the criminal intent of the inanimate object matters very much to the families and friends of those who die as a result of a gun, pool, or plastic banana.