Why can the end user waste so much bandwidth or not understand?

[Anarchist420]

For example, perhaps Verizon and websites throttle per user, but I don't notice it. I know that the ISPs and websites have their reasons for not letting individuals like me know directly and explicitly that I'm using too much space, but i don't understand why I havent suffered for it and realized it. That said, maybe i've been on a kill list or torture list... maybe I really am a threat to society and don't realize it.

 

[theevilsharpie]

Is there a question here?

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Is there a question here?

There is now! :thumbsup:

 

[Smoblikat]

For example, perhaps Verizon and websites throttle per user, but I don't notice it. I know that the ISPs and websites have their reasons for not letting individuals like me know directly and explicitly that I'm using too much space, but i don't understand why I havent suffered for it and realized it. That said, maybe i've been on a kill list or torture list... maybe I really am a threat to society and don't realize it.

Yes

 

[Anarchist420]

Is there a question here?]

Yes. It is in thread title. In your defense, the thread and its title didnt reasonably make my question clear and i'm sure many people would consider this an AT OT kind of thread anyway. My question was... Why don't I knowlingly pay sites for the excessive bandwidth I use? I know I use more than the average person does because I don't plan ahead and I've offered to pay up front right now, but I've been turned down... that's not your fault though. Doesn't that hurt them a lot considering that I don't worry about conserving bandwidth?

 

[ScottMac]

Yes. It is in thread title. In your defense, the thread and its title didnt reasonably make my question clear and i'm sure many people would consider this an AT OT kind of thread anyway. My question was... Why don't I knowlingly pay sites for the excessive bandwidth I use? I know I use more than the average person does because I don't plan ahead and I've offered to pay up front right now, but I've been turned down... that's not your fault though. Doesn't that hurt them a lot considering that I don't worry about conserving bandwidth?

It depends on the site. Some sites collect revenues and use "page time" and "clicks" as proof that their site is worthy of the advertiser's money. The more you hang around and click, the better case they have for a higher rate.

There are other reasons, of course, but this is the first that comes to mind. That's why it takes clicks to/through two or three pages for an answer that could have been handled by one small pop-up (which, because of possible needed scripting, could take more bandwidth that clicking through a couple static pages ... it's very situational).

 

[theevilsharpie]

The overhead cost of managing ad-hoc payments like what you propose is much greater than the money they'd receive from your payment. Commercial web sites already receive compensation for the bandwidth that you use, be it in the form of advertising, subscription fees, or a cost built into the price of the good or service they're selling.

 

[JackMDS]

There is so many "Tricks" employed by the ISPs that it is hard to account for all of them.

Even within the same ISP in different regions there are differences in Bandwidth control.

Most of users do not even know what exactly is going on because it is Not affecting whatever they use the Internet for.

We have a tendency to think that the very little percentage of people that complain on Enthusiasts' forums are a representation of main stream reality. Well they are Not.

As an Example were I am at the general Bandwidth is 20 Mb/sec down.

However, at the moment that I download a files that is larger than 100-200MB the download "Speed" starts to go down until it stabilizes on 12 Mb/sec.

Of course none of my friends and neighbors are even aware of it cause they are Not engaged in downloading Huge files.

In my case it means that it takes more time to download ISOs from TechNet or MSDN.

This difference in time is nothing that I lose sleep about, or feel Anger about it. I know that if I professionally need more I can do the right thing and get Business grade service.

 

[Anarchist420]

Okay thanks for the replies that makes sense and some of it was what I expected. Then at least I didn't use bandwidth in the op answering my own question. Then again, the amount of bandwidth that I am using by not cutting the BS isn't a whole lot. I had figured perhaps I was making AT not worse of and that I am doing no net good. The mods at nvnews and beyond3d probably aren't as into making a profit or they may make some money from things other than advertising... they're quick to ban and I don't remember any ads from b3d and most of nvnews ads were govt ads... Beyond 3deven once told me I was wasting bandwidth, but maybe they were just frustrated with my lack of reasoning.

I like how the rules change here and little is set in stone here.

I think it can be good for others but not myself to act in your rational self interest even if it is far from the ultimate virtue. However, i believe that Dr. Rothbard's non-aggression principle is the ultimate ethic, must come first overall, and I try to never violate it.