why be good if there is no consequence?
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well... why be a good human being, if you know nothing will happen on you.
For ex:
If you know you will get an A for your class for sure no matter what, will you still do your homework and study hard for your test?
Anubis
No Lifer
well if i could say rob a bank of lik ea billion dollers and not get cought id do that if there were no consequences
but i wouldent do anything really mean like kill people or something like that
but i wouldent do anything really mean like kill people or something like that
I don't like going to jail and meet somebody name Bubba. There is consequence for everything you do, if you're nice to people, generally, people will be nice to you.
Anubis
No Lifer
hell no
thats why i love college, homework isnt graded, dont do it or teh reading get A's on tests and your all set
are you taking any ethics course? read the friiking things from plato, kant, mill, whoever that philosopher is.
for
from Plato, you have rationality as being human. you can do whatever you want to do, you are just animal without rationality.
go read Plato dialgoues, if you ask me.
for
from Plato, you have rationality as being human. you can do whatever you want to do, you are just animal without rationality.
go read Plato dialgoues, if you ask me.
That's the implication if there is no consequence. But here's a kicker:
4 Possible Results:
(a) If God does not exist and you do bad, you lose nothing
(b) If God does not exist and you do good, you lose nothing
(c) If God does exist and you do bad, you lose everything
(d) If God does exist and you do good, you gain everything
Place your bets, everyone! (Either do good or bad)
*spins roulette*
-MiND
From: (Pascal's Wager)
4 Possible Results:
(a) If God does not exist and you do bad, you lose nothing
(b) If God does not exist and you do good, you lose nothing
(c) If God does exist and you do bad, you lose everything
(d) If God does exist and you do good, you gain everything
Place your bets, everyone! (Either do good or bad)
*spins roulette*
-MiND
From: (Pascal's Wager)
ThirtyThree beat me to it. It has nothing to do with math.
Besides, how do you know that "god" only accepts people who denounce him/her/it? You're taking a big chance by worshiping
One entry found for denounce.
Main Entry: de·nounce
Pronunciation: di-'naun(t)s, dE-
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): de·nounced; de·nounc·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French denoncier to proclaim, from Latin denuntiare, from de- + nuntiare to report -- more at ANNOUNCE
1 : to pronounce especially publicly to be blameworthy or evil
2 archaic a : PROCLAIM b : to announce threateningly
3 : to inform against : ACCUSE
4 obsolete : PORTEND
5 : to announce formally the termination of (as a treaty)
synonym see CRITICIZE
- de·nounce·ment /-'naun(t)-sm&nt/ noun
- de·nounc·er noun
Regardless of that minor technicality, I would not be taking any additional risks by worshipping a non-exclusive god. Unless that's again not what you meant.
For those that don't believe in any judgment after death, we have laws to make sure there are consequences.
However, assuming there were no direct physical consequences in any form whatsoever (and in this hypothetical situation it is impossible for people to realize the benefits of creating consequences, aka, laws), there is still the mental consequence of your conscience making you feel guilty. But if even that is lacking, then you can say hello to anarchy.
dfi
However, assuming there were no direct physical consequences in any form whatsoever (and in this hypothetical situation it is impossible for people to realize the benefits of creating consequences, aka, laws), there is still the mental consequence of your conscience making you feel guilty. But if even that is lacking, then you can say hello to anarchy.
dfi
Hrm, that seems wrong to me.
I'm assuming a), doing bad, is basically doing what you please. Ok, then nothing is lost.
But, if b) is not doing as you please, and instead following some rules, then you lose the opportunities and experience, either joy or misery, from doing as you please. And since your life is finite, and your existence one of the most important span of time ever to you, that's losing quite a lot. Some might even say that losing the chance to do as you please while you exist, is almost losing everything.
If c), ya that's basically right, since an eternity in hell will make your time on earth basically irrelevant in the scheme of time.
And if d), then you gain everything.
So if you do good, you will end up gaining everything, or losing quite a lot. Of course, that's why we also need social conditioning and pressures to make us feel joy from doing good. That, and laws to punish us for doing bad. That's my take on it anyways.
dfi
If there were no consequences to a person's actions, then you would be out $20.
Got rip off on Ebay. Update again: I am getting my refund!! WOOHOO.
Originally posted by: chowderhead
If there were no consequences to a person's actions, then you would be out $20.
Got rip off on Ebay. Update again: I am getting my refund!! WOOHOO.
:beer:
Originally posted by: upsciLLion
One entry found for denounce.
Main Entry: de·nounce
Pronunciation: di-'naun(t)s, dE-
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): de·nounced; de·nounc·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French denoncier to proclaim, from Latin denuntiare, from de- + nuntiare to report -- more at ANNOUNCE
1 : to pronounce especially publicly to be blameworthy or evil
2 archaic a : PROCLAIM b : to announce threateningly
3 : to inform against : ACCUSE
4 obsolete : PORTEND
5 : to announce formally the termination of (as a treaty)
synonym see CRITICIZE
- de·nounce·ment /-'naun(t)-sm&nt/ noun
- de·nounc·er noun
Regardless of that minor technicality, I would not be taking any additional risks by worshipping a non-exclusive god. Unless that's again not what you meant.
Uhhhh, what? Replace "denounce" with "criticize" and I think you'll see what I meant.
In other words, maybe "god" only accepts people who are mean or deny a god exists. There's no point in praying or whatever, seriously
Vic
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Because there ALWAYS is consequence. Sometimes it's just not so direct that you see it for what it is. One can't just rob a bank and get away from it "scot free" because, even if it seems like you do, the end result is that we all live in a world of thieves.
To believe in a world with no consequences, you have to believe in a world with no absolutes, no stability to measure instability against. However, this is only possible if your belief in a world of no consequences is not a stable belief - thus you are left in limbo, destined to be questioning yourself and your actions, which is consequential only if you believe in an absolute to measure it against.
Operating on the assumption that God exists, why would God accept people who denounce him/her/it? In all regards, he'll/she'll/it'll probably cast them away to the fiery pit for disbelieving.
By the way, the second box of Atheist's Wager where one who does not believe but does good works still gets saved; actually, good works without faith as its foundation is for naught, except maybe a tax deduction or something.
Then it still reads more or less the same:
a) If God does not exist and you did not believe, you lose nothing
(b) If God does not exist and you did believe, you lose "time and effort"
(c) If God does exist and you did not believe, you lose everything
(d) If God does exist and you did believe, you gain everything
As for the flaws:
(1) How do you know which God to believe in?
If I told you then I'd have forced you to have blind faith. Instead, you should research on all the major beliefs, not necessarily to see which ones you agree with (no cults), but which one you feel properly addresses the most questions (of course it's humanly impossible to find all answers).
(2) God is not stupid.
That's right; He's not. Faith with a hidden agenda is dead. Faith without works (proof) is dead. This is simply an introductory material for non-believers to think about, but this is by no means "the one-step plan".
(3) If there is no God, you have still lost something.
Time and effort, perhaps but at the very least, if God doesn't exist, gained better health, are generally happier, fulfilled a sense of belonging, performed useful public works (schools (Harvard, Yale, etc.), hospitals, etc.)
(4) Can you get away with just sort of generally believing in a Supreme Being, without specifically believing in one particular Deity?
No, see (1)
(5) Pascal's Wager isn't proof of God. Atheists want proof.
True, it's not absolute proof. But is it humanly possible to absolutely prove God exists using scientific method or such? Do something about it, but don't just sit there and say "I haven't seen God, therefore there is no God".
I haven't seen Antarctica. I've seen all the picture but how do I know I'm not being deceived? I should do some research about it before deciding whether or not it exists.
(6) How do you know there is a Hell?
See (5)
(7) If you believe that God will forgive anyone for anything, or judge people purely on how they lived their life and not what they believed, or that everyone gets to Heaven regardless (unless maybe they were genocidal cannibal serial killers), then the Wager is meaningless.
If the author actually did research, he'd know that there are some things that God will not forgive or condone. Repentance is key. God also does not judge people purely on how they lived their life and not what they believed. The author of this website is a self-professed atheist who holds biased views to further his hidden agenda, like most car salesmen or a number of politicians (spin-doctor).
Well, that's all the "flaws" addressed the author claims Pascal's Wager has. Keep a wary eye, an open mind, and think for yourself.
-MiND
EDIT:
upsciLLion beat me to it.
Secondary consequence of typing a bunch of stuff in one post.
See? consequences exist.
-MiND
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