why bash on christians so much?

[Beev]

Is this shit still going on? Here, I'll make this easy for you. Because they are fucking retarded. Now here's the problem, when you are retarded, it's impossible to know you are retarded. So that is why you have questions like, "why do people bash on Christians?" Let's see, you have ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE for your claims, however you insist you are right and the world needs to follow YOUR rules. Hold on, next you are going to "act" dumb and say, "what rules?" Rules like the "Blue Law" that were repealed in the 80's when people finally came to their senses and realized there was nothing wrong with buying goods on Sundays. How about "dry counties?" Who do you think is behind those moronic laws? How about the FCC "rules?" What do you think the basis for those rules are? Just a few example.

Not to mention I have a problem with people just spouting off BS, whether it is religion or whatever else. If it is bullshit, I'm going to call you on it. It's as simple as that. You don't get to spout off baseless shit and go unchecked. Sorry. If you make a claim, I expect for you to back it up with supporting evidence, just like anything else. Religion is no exception.

And quit playing the victim. That is just another way for you to avoid the facts. "Please don't pick on us." In the meantime you go around spreading this BS to the weak, like a virus. I'm sorry, pretending to drink your God's blood on Sundays should not be considered "normal" by any standard. And the longer people tolerate that behavior and pretend it is ok, the slower we will advance as a society. Religion (not just Christianity) is the anchor on progress, and needs to be eliminated. It's really as simple as that.

One of the best posts I've seen on here in a while.

 

[HAL9000]

Is this shit still going on? Here, I'll make this easy for you. Because they are fucking retarded. Now here's the problem, when you are retarded, it's impossible to know you are retarded. So that is why you have questions like, "why do people bash on Christians?" Let's see, you have ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE for your claims, however you insist you are right and the world needs to follow YOUR rules. Hold on, next you are going to "act" dumb and say, "what rules?" Rules like the "Blue Law" that were repealed in the 80's when people finally came to their senses and realized there was nothing wrong with buying goods on Sundays. How about "dry counties?" Who do you think is behind those moronic laws? How about the FCC "rules?" What do you think the basis for those rules are? Just a few example.

Not to mention I have a problem with people just spouting off BS, whether it is religion or whatever else. If it is bullshit, I'm going to call you on it. It's as simple as that. You don't get to spout off baseless shit and go unchecked. Sorry. If you make a claim, I expect for you to back it up with supporting evidence, just like anything else. Religion is no exception.

And quit playing the victim. That is just another way for you to avoid the facts. "Please don't pick on us." In the meantime you go around spreading this BS to the weak, like a virus. I'm sorry, pretending to drink your God's blood on Sundays should not be considered "normal" by any standard. And the longer people tolerate that behavior and pretend it is ok, the slower we will advance as a society. Religion (not just Christianity) is the anchor on progress, and needs to be eliminated. It's really as simple as that.

This is how I feel, explained perfectly.

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[darkswordsman17]

While I don't fully understand what you are trying to say here, I don't think we are disagreeing with each other. I agree that organisms are going to evolve. They need to in order to survive. Now I don't believe that a random fish crawled out of the water and magically a few years later it was a deer. Or that a bird landed on a tree and through the magic of evolution, it became a goat.

You need to understand the difference between a scientific theory and the general term theory. They are not the same thing and that's why we get people like you weighing in on the topic as though "dur, its a theory!" makes it not true. You're just proving further that you have no idea what is even being debated here, and have a fairly limited grasp of science in general, which is why it pisses people off. Its the same as fleabag saying he knows more about cars than automotive engineers.

It wasn't just a few years. We're talking thousands if not millions of years. Just because you can't grasp the scale of time that's being dealt with should not be reason for you to act like its common sense to see things your way.

The fact that you use terms like "magic of evolution" just shows you're not at all capable of discussing this topic.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Evolution:

When you look at the Bible and see the way that our creation is written about, that nice little fairy tale put into simplistic human terms that someone without even an elementary school education can understand, you see something strange.

It kinda fits our own (current) Big Bang and Evolution timeline, although condensed into a more-easily understood timeline of 7 days rather than billions of years.

Has any Christian group thought, for once, that maybe, just maybe, the way God does things is not by hokus-pokus but by the way things actually WORK in this world?

I mean, if "he" made all this stuff to begin with, and he has all the time "he" needs, a few million years to make a monkey lose its tail and post on the internet is nothing.

If you are omniscient and omnipotent, no matter how complex the shot is, you are most likely to get it on first try. That is why God was never allowed to play pool or Plinko.

A lot of people actually use this idea to try to reconcile science and faith. I mostly hear it from religious scientists, which makes sense to me. Not the idea, mind you, but the fact that religious scientists use it to fit science and religion together.

My response to it is: If God does things in a way that we can see doesn't necessarily need a God to have happened anyway, why did we postulate the existence of a God at all? Seems to me that he's just being squeezed in there to meet our own personal needs.

 

[jhbball]

are you talking microevolution or macroevolution?

There is definitely proof that some species evolve. I don't think anyone doubts that. That type of evolution is what keeps a species from dying off.

I have yet to see firm evidence of macroevolution which is what I believe most Christians are referring to. The majority of them don't take the time to investigate it though, so they end up sounding even more ignorant than me. Which is a tough thing to do.

Why do conservatives HAVE to hate science too?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

My response to it is: If God does things in a way that we can see doesn't necessarily need a God to have happened anyway, why did we postulate the existence of a God at all? Seems to me that he's just being squeezed in there to meet our own personal needs.

Of course, that's exactly what's happening, but a lot of people are uncomfortable lacking answers to their "why" questions. Science can tell us how things happened, but it'll never tell you that in order to live a meaningful life you have to do X and not do Y.

A lot of people don't trust themselves enough to exercise some courage to decide the purpose of their lives for themselves. Attitudes like this are specifically reinforced by foundational church doctrines like original sin. In a lot of ways Moonbeam is right, even if a bit overbearing about it. People do not trust the core of their being on their own, so they look outside of themselves for something -- anything -- that can give their lives purpose.

 

[kazyn]

The reason religion is around is because people need a meaning for life. Even though the reality is just eternal darkness (like when you sleep). What's more scary eternal life or eternal darkness? I don't think everyone that believes in religion is stupid, its more of a mental defect like how some people are gullible then others. Most people had this stuff shoved down there throats when they were the most gullible when they were kids. Then as you get older you start questioning things, like how things in the bible can't be true and there most likely stories. In order for us to evolve as a species religions gotta go (all of em). Here are some questions that make you think, why are we trapped on a planet and don't know how we got here?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Even though the reality is just eternal darkness (like when you sleep).

Are you personally attesting to this? When did you witness this "eternal darkness"?

Here are some questions that make you think, why are we trapped on a planet and don't know how we got here?

We're trapped on the planet? Are you a moon landing hoax conspiracy theorist?

Where are the rest of the "questions"?

 

[Ninjahedge]

A lot of people actually use this idea to try to reconcile science and faith. I mostly hear it from religious scientists, which makes sense to me. Not the idea, mind you, but the fact that religious scientists use it to fit science and religion together.

My response to it is: If God does things in a way that we can see doesn't necessarily need a God to have happened anyway, why did we postulate the existence of a God at all? Seems to me that he's just being squeezed in there to meet our own personal needs.

I know what you are saying, what I am saying is that it is kind of pointless to argue that the rules do not apply if the very diety that these guys are professing made the rules in the first place.

Who made E=Mc^2?

Does it really matter if it just happened or someone made that rule?

For some reason there are so many that believe that the stories and fables that were written in a book 2000 years ago (and still several hundred years after it happened) have to be the literate truth and not a generalization that could be understood by the essentially illiterate masses it is disheartening.

For a religion whose messiah pretty much lived his life telling metaphors about how to live your life and essentually live at peace with those around you, odd how his people can't seem to tell the difference between historical records and fictional life lessons.

They focus on the water walking to validate what he said because without a miracle, what the hell does he know?

If you NEED a 7 loaf moment to believe in your Rasin Debt () then maybe you really do not believe in what he was teaching. Maybe you just are afraid of what you do not know and feel more confortable thinking there is something to protect you from your, and mankinds ignorance.....



Back to my OT.... Who says all the rules were not made by God? Why can't a perfect being actually give us a universe that has more reasons for the way things work than just "because I said so"?

 

[HAL9000]

I know what you are saying, what I am saying is that it is kind of pointless to argue that the rules do not apply if the very diety that these guys are professing made the rules in the first place.

Who made E=Mc^2?

Does it really matter if it just happened or someone made that rule?

For some reason there are so many that believe that the stories and fables that were written in a book 2000 years ago (and still several hundred years after it happened) have to be the literate truth and not a generalization that could be understood by the essentially illiterate masses it is disheartening.

For a religion whose messiah pretty much lived his life telling metaphors about how to live your life and essentually live at peace with those around you, odd how his people can't seem to tell the difference between historical records and fictional life lessons.

They focus on the water walking to validate what he said because without a miracle, what the hell does he know?

If you NEED a 7 loaf moment to believe in your Rasin Debt () then maybe you really do not believe in what he was teaching. Maybe you just are afraid of what you do not know and feel more confortable thinking there is something to protect you from your, and mankinds ignorance.....



Back to my OT.... Who says all the rules were not made by God? Why can't a perfect being actually give us a universe that has more reasons for the way things work than just "because I said so"?

Yes it matters, it's impossible for it to be a naturally occurring phenomena.

It was Albert Einstein.

 

[IcePickFreak]

Is this shit still going on? Here, I'll make this easy for you. Because they are fucking retarded. Now here's the problem, when you are retarded, it's impossible to know you are retarded. So that is why you have questions like, "why do people bash on Christians?" Let's see, you have ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE for your claims, however you insist you are right and the world needs to follow YOUR rules. Hold on, next you are going to "act" dumb and say, "what rules?" Rules like the "Blue Law" that were repealed in the 80's when people finally came to their senses and realized there was nothing wrong with buying goods on Sundays. How about "dry counties?" Who do you think is behind those moronic laws? How about the FCC "rules?" What do you think the basis for those rules are? Just a few example.

Not to mention I have a problem with people just spouting off BS, whether it is religion or whatever else. If it is bullshit, I'm going to call you on it. It's as simple as that. You don't get to spout off baseless shit and go unchecked. Sorry. If you make a claim, I expect for you to back it up with supporting evidence, just like anything else. Religion is no exception.

And quit playing the victim. That is just another way for you to avoid the facts. "Please don't pick on us." In the meantime you go around spreading this BS to the weak, like a virus. I'm sorry, pretending to drink your God's blood on Sundays should not be considered "normal" by any standard. And the longer people tolerate that behavior and pretend it is ok, the slower we will advance as a society. Religion (not just Christianity) is the anchor on progress, and needs to be eliminated. It's really as simple as that.

Just remember what old Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, the poison arrows fall from the sky and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big old storm right in the eye and says "Give me your best shot. I can take it."

 

[HAL9000]

Just remember what old Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, the poison arrows fall from the sky and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big old storm right in the eye and says "Give me your best shot. I can take it."

OK...?

 

[jonks]

OK...?

Oh man. Help this guy out.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Sounds rather Simpson-y......

 

[HAL9000]

Oh man. Help this guy out.

Yep

 

[Homerboy]

Is this shit still going on? Here, I'll make this easy for you. Because they are fucking retarded. Now here's the problem, when you are retarded, it's impossible to know you are retarded. So that is why you have questions like, "why do people bash on Christians?" Let's see, you have ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE for your claims, however you insist you are right and the world needs to follow YOUR rules. Hold on, next you are going to "act" dumb and say, "what rules?" Rules like the "Blue Law" that were repealed in the 80's when people finally came to their senses and realized there was nothing wrong with buying goods on Sundays. How about "dry counties?" Who do you think is behind those moronic laws? How about the FCC "rules?" What do you think the basis for those rules are? Just a few example.

Not to mention I have a problem with people just spouting off BS, whether it is religion or whatever else. If it is bullshit, I'm going to call you on it. It's as simple as that. You don't get to spout off baseless shit and go unchecked. Sorry. If you make a claim, I expect for you to back it up with supporting evidence, just like anything else. Religion is no exception.

And quit playing the victim. That is just another way for you to avoid the facts. "Please don't pick on us." In the meantime you go around spreading this BS to the weak, like a virus. I'm sorry, pretending to drink your God's blood on Sundays should not be considered "normal" by any standard. And the longer people tolerate that behavior and pretend it is ok, the slower we will advance as a society. Religion (not just Christianity) is the anchor on progress, and needs to be eliminated. It's really as simple as that.

Not bad. Not bad at all. But you do lose points in the last paragraph.
You paint too broad of a stroke saying:

"I'm sorry, pretending to drink your God's blood on Sundays should not be considered "normal" by any standard. "

That's not believed by all Christian groups. In fact very few I think. It may just be specific to Catholicism. But the rest of the statements are perfectly fine by me.

 

[slayer202]

That's not believed by all Christian groups. In fact very few I think. It may just be specific to Catholicism. But the rest of the statements are perfectly fine by me.

pretty sure that is innacurate

 

[JEDIYoda]

Just remember what old Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, the poison arrows fall from the sky and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big old storm right in the eye and says "Give me your best shot. I can take it."

-- Now that is funny!!!!

 

[zinfamous]

Oh man. Help this guy out.

OK, but if I'm not back by dawn, call the president!

 

[Homerboy]

pretty sure that is innacurate

No. I'm pretty much sure it is accurate. Transubstantiation is fairly unique to the Roman Catholic belif system. I'm 99% sure that Lutherns and most Protestants believe it to be purely symbolic.

See, this is a major issue I always see here on ATOT. Everyone knee-jerks "religion" to be fast-and-true to what is believed in the Roman Catholic Church and base their opinions (or more-so their replied in the thread) based on what the Vatican is saying/preaching.

"Religion" is an awfully vague and encompassing term and should be treated as such.

 

[Ryland]

That's not believed by all Christian groups. In fact very few I think. It may just be specific to Catholicism. But the rest of the statements are perfectly fine by me.

Episcopal's believe this too.

 

[Homerboy]

Episcopal's believe this too.

Coincidentally, that is one of the ones I had to google up after I posted. They too believe its the physical embodiment. There's also 2M+ of them which surprised me.

A side note to this too, you have to understand that not everyone that fills the pews an isles of every church, mosque, synagogue etc. believes every single doctrine of their chosen faith. I'm willing to bet that if you took a poll of those seated at church on Sunday morning, who ACTUALLY BELIEVED in transubstantiation, the numbers would be very, VERY small. I mean shit... if you believed that... how could you actually drink/eat it? Yuck.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Easy targets.

 

[jonks]

No. I'm pretty much sure it is accurate. Transubstantiation is fairly unique to the Roman Catholic belif system. I'm 99% sure that Lutherns and most Protestants believe it to be purely symbolic.

See, this is a major issue I always see here on ATOT. Everyone knee-jerks "religion" to be fast-and-true to what is believed in the Roman Catholic Church and base their opinions (or more-so their replied in the thread) based on what the Vatican is saying/preaching.

"Religion" is an awfully vague and encompassing term and should be treated as such.

Well, as far as exculpation goes it's pretty weak.

"I don't actually think I'm drinking the blood and cannibalizing the body of god, that'd be silly! I just pretend I'm drinking his blood and cannibalizing his body."

 

[thraashman]

Just remember what old Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, the poison arrows fall from the sky and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big old storm right in the eye and says "Give me your best shot. I can take it."

I was hoping someone would attack his point so that I could say "You leave JackBurton alone. We are in his debt! He showed great courage"