DangerAardvark

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Why argue, I say. Whether it be console vs. PC, one religion vs. another, or whatever. I say, do not argue unless you're gonna see it through to the end. It is absolutely infuriating when one side cuts it off at "this is what I believe, so there!" Argue to fruition and never get into an argument unless you're willing lose. Go in with the willingness to concede if you're out-argued.

The argument ends when you convince me or I convince you. Two enter, one leaves. These are the rules of Thunderdome!

Fight!
 

chrisms

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It's not always about convincing. Arguing is important, it lets you know what the other side thinks and why they think that way.
 

datalink7

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Receptionist: Yes, sir?

Man: I'd like to have an argument please.

Receptionist: Certainly, sir, have you been here before...?

Man: No, this is my first time.

Receptionist: I see. Do you want to have the full argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?

Man: Well, what would be the cost?

Receptionist: Yes, it's one pound for a five-minute argument, but only eight pounds for a course of ten.

Man: Well, I think it's probably best of I start with the one and see how it goes from there. OK?

Receptionist: Fine. I'll see who's free at the moment... Mr. Du-Bakey's free, but he's a little bit concilliatory... Yes, try Mr. Barnard -- Room 12.

Man: Thank you.

[...] The man knocks on the door.

Mr Vibrating:(from within) Come in.

The man enters the room. Mr Vibrating is sitting at a desk.

Man: Is this the right room for an argument?

Mr Vibrating: I've told you once.

Man: No you haven't.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I have.

Man: When?

Mr Vibrating: Just now!

Man: No you didn't.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did!

Man: Didn't.

Mr Vibrating: Did.

Man: Didn't.

Mr Vibrating: I'm telling you I did!

Man: You did not!

Mr Vibrating: I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half-hour?

Man: Oh, just a five minute one.

Mr Vibrating: Fine. (makes a note of it; the man sits down) Thank you. Anyway I did.

Man: You most certainly did not.

Mr Vibrating: Now, let's get one thing quite clear... I most definitely told you!

Man: You did not.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did.

Man: You did not.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did.

Man: Didn't.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did.

Man: Didn't.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did!!

Man: Look this isn't an argument.

Mr Vibrating: Yes it is.

Man: No it isn't, it's just contradiction.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: Yes it is.

Mr Vibrating: It is not.

Man: It is. You just contradicted me.

Mr Vibrating: No I didn't.

Man: Ooh, you did!

Mr Vibrating: No, no, no, no, no.

Man: You did, just then.

Mr Vibrating: No, nonsense!

Man: Oh, look this is futile.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: I came here for a good argument.

Mr Vibrating: No you didn't, you came here for an argument.

Man: Well, an argument's not the same as contradiction.

Mr Vibrating: It can be.

Man: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a definite proposition.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: Yes it is. It isn't just contradiction.

Mr Vibrating: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.

Man: But it isn't just saying "No it isn't".

Mr Vibrating: Yes it is.

Man: No it isn't, an argument is an intellectual process... contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: Yes it is.

Mr Vibrating: Not at all.

Man: Now look!

Mr Vibrating:(pressing the bell on his desk) Thank you, good morning.

Man: What?

Mr Vibrating: That's it. Good morning.

Man: But I was just getting interested.

Mr Vibrating: Sorry the five minutes is up.

Man: That was never five minutes just now!

Mr Vibrating: I'm afraid it was.

Man: No it wasn't.

Mr Vibrating: I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to argue any more.

Man: What!?

Mr Vibrating: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.

Man: But that was never five minutes just now... oh come on! (Vibrating looks round as though man was not there) This is ridiculous.

Mr Vibrating: I'm very sorry, but I told you I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.

Man: Oh. All right. (pays) There you are.

Mr Vibrating: Thank you.

Man: Well?

Mr Vibrating: Well what?

Man: That was never five minutes just now.

Mr Vibrating: I told you I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.

Man: I've just paid.

Mr Vibrating: No you didn't.

Man: I did! I did! I did!

Mr Vibrating: No you didn't.

Man: Look I don't want to argue about that.

Mr Vibrating: Well I'm very sorry but you didn't pay.

Man: Aha! Well if I didn't pay, why are you arguing... got you!

Mr Vibrating: No you haven't.

Man: Yes I have... if you're arguing I must have paid.

Mr Vibrating: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.

Man: I've had enough of this.

Mr Vibrating: No you haven't.
 

Gurck

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:laugh: Wonder what this was about? :D No side can ever convince the other, check P&N for proof. The fun is in the debate, and when it's no longer enjoyable, it's perfectly fine to opt out.
 

datalink7

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Originally posted by: Gurck
:laugh: Wonder what this was about? :D No side can ever convince the other, check P&N for proof. The fun is in the debate, and when it's no longer enjoyable, it's perfectly fine to opt out.

No it isn't.
 

Amplifier

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Originally posted by: datalink7
Receptionist: Yes, sir?

Man: I'd like to have an argument please.

Receptionist: Certainly, sir, have you been here before...?

Man: No, this is my first time.

Receptionist: I see. Do you want to have the full argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?

Man: Well, what would be the cost?

Receptionist: Yes, it's one pound for a five-minute argument, but only eight pounds for a course of ten.

Man: Well, I think it's probably best of I start with the one and see how it goes from there. OK?

Receptionist: Fine. I'll see who's free at the moment... Mr. Du-Bakey's free, but he's a little bit concilliatory... Yes, try Mr. Barnard -- Room 12.

Man: Thank you.

[...] The man knocks on the door.

Mr Vibrating:(from within) Come in.

The man enters the room. Mr Vibrating is sitting at a desk.

Man: Is this the right room for an argument?

Mr Vibrating: I've told you once.

Man: No you haven't.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I have.

Man: When?

Mr Vibrating: Just now!

Man: No you didn't.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did!

Man: Didn't.

Mr Vibrating: Did.

Man: Didn't.

Mr Vibrating: I'm telling you I did!

Man: You did not!

Mr Vibrating: I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half-hour?

Man: Oh, just a five minute one.

Mr Vibrating: Fine. (makes a note of it; the man sits down) Thank you. Anyway I did.

Man: You most certainly did not.

Mr Vibrating: Now, let's get one thing quite clear... I most definitely told you!

Man: You did not.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did.

Man: You did not.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did.

Man: Didn't.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did.

Man: Didn't.

Mr Vibrating: Yes I did!!

Man: Look this isn't an argument.

Mr Vibrating: Yes it is.

Man: No it isn't, it's just contradiction.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: Yes it is.

Mr Vibrating: It is not.

Man: It is. You just contradicted me.

Mr Vibrating: No I didn't.

Man: Ooh, you did!

Mr Vibrating: No, no, no, no, no.

Man: You did, just then.

Mr Vibrating: No, nonsense!

Man: Oh, look this is futile.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: I came here for a good argument.

Mr Vibrating: No you didn't, you came here for an argument.

Man: Well, an argument's not the same as contradiction.

Mr Vibrating: It can be.

Man: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a definite proposition.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: Yes it is. It isn't just contradiction.

Mr Vibrating: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.

Man: But it isn't just saying "No it isn't".

Mr Vibrating: Yes it is.

Man: No it isn't, an argument is an intellectual process... contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: Yes it is.

Mr Vibrating: Not at all.

Man: Now look!

Mr Vibrating:(pressing the bell on his desk) Thank you, good morning.

Man: What?

Mr Vibrating: That's it. Good morning.

Man: But I was just getting interested.

Mr Vibrating: Sorry the five minutes is up.

Man: That was never five minutes just now!

Mr Vibrating: I'm afraid it was.

Man: No it wasn't.

Mr Vibrating: I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to argue any more.

Man: What!?

Mr Vibrating: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.

Man: But that was never five minutes just now... oh come on! (Vibrating looks round as though man was not there) This is ridiculous.

Mr Vibrating: I'm very sorry, but I told you I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.

Man: Oh. All right. (pays) There you are.

Mr Vibrating: Thank you.

Man: Well?

Mr Vibrating: Well what?

Man: That was never five minutes just now.

Mr Vibrating: I told you I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.

Man: I've just paid.

Mr Vibrating: No you didn't.

Man: I did! I did! I did!

Mr Vibrating: No you didn't.

Man: Look I don't want to argue about that.

Mr Vibrating: Well I'm very sorry but you didn't pay.

Man: Aha! Well if I didn't pay, why are you arguing... got you!

Mr Vibrating: No you haven't.

Man: Yes I have... if you're arguing I must have paid.

Mr Vibrating: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.

Man: I've had enough of this.

Mr Vibrating: No you haven't.


haha

 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: chrisms
It's not always about convincing. Arguing is important, it lets you know what the other side thinks and why they think that way.


It oughta be about point-counter-point (even though even the presidential debates failed to live up to THAT not so lofty standard). Too often, the argument changes no one's mind and everything is as it was. Use an argument as a logical tool to explore your differences.

Hell, I've been convinced through debate a couple of times, although, I may just suck at arguing.
 

dighn

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: chrisms
It's not always about convincing. Arguing is important, it lets you know what the other side thinks and why they think that way.


It oughta be about point-counter-point (even though even the presidential debates failed to live up to THAT not so lofty standard). Too often, the argument changes no one's mind and everything is as it was. Use an argument as a logical tool to explore your differences.

Hell, I've been convinced through debate a couple of times, although, I may just suck at arguing.

there are things you can never convince somebody to change their position on with an argument. politics and religion comes to mind
 

datalink7

Lifer
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Originally posted by: dighn
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: chrisms
It's not always about convincing. Arguing is important, it lets you know what the other side thinks and why they think that way.


It oughta be about point-counter-point (even though even the presidential debates failed to live up to THAT not so lofty standard). Too often, the argument changes no one's mind and everything is as it was. Use an argument as a logical tool to explore your differences.

Hell, I've been convinced through debate a couple of times, although, I may just suck at arguing.

there are things you can never convince somebody to change their position on with an argument. politics and religion comes to mind

That's not true.
 

dighn

Lifer
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Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: dighn
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: chrisms
It's not always about convincing. Arguing is important, it lets you know what the other side thinks and why they think that way.


It oughta be about point-counter-point (even though even the presidential debates failed to live up to THAT not so lofty standard). Too often, the argument changes no one's mind and everything is as it was. Use an argument as a logical tool to explore your differences.

Hell, I've been convinced through debate a couple of times, although, I may just suck at arguing.

there are things you can never convince somebody to change their position on with an argument. politics and religion comes to mind

That's not true.

you are wrong.
 

datalink7

Lifer
Jan 23, 2001
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Originally posted by: dighn
Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: dighn
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: chrisms
It's not always about convincing. Arguing is important, it lets you know what the other side thinks and why they think that way.


It oughta be about point-counter-point (even though even the presidential debates failed to live up to THAT not so lofty standard). Too often, the argument changes no one's mind and everything is as it was. Use an argument as a logical tool to explore your differences.

Hell, I've been convinced through debate a couple of times, although, I may just suck at arguing.

there are things you can never convince somebody to change their position on with an argument. politics and religion comes to mind

That's not true.

you are wrong.

I beg to differ.
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: dighn
Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: dighn
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: chrisms
It's not always about convincing. Arguing is important, it lets you know what the other side thinks and why they think that way.


It oughta be about point-counter-point (even though even the presidential debates failed to live up to THAT not so lofty standard). Too often, the argument changes no one's mind and everything is as it was. Use an argument as a logical tool to explore your differences.

Hell, I've been convinced through debate a couple of times, although, I may just suck at arguing.

there are things you can never convince somebody to change their position on with an argument. politics and religion comes to mind

That's not true.

you are wrong.


I hate you. This time I mean it.
 

datalink7

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: dighn
Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: dighn
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: chrisms
It's not always about convincing. Arguing is important, it lets you know what the other side thinks and why they think that way.


It oughta be about point-counter-point (even though even the presidential debates failed to live up to THAT not so lofty standard). Too often, the argument changes no one's mind and everything is as it was. Use an argument as a logical tool to explore your differences.

Hell, I've been convinced through debate a couple of times, although, I may just suck at arguing.

there are things you can never convince somebody to change their position on with an argument. politics and religion comes to mind

That's not true.

you are wrong.


I hate you. This time I mean it.

No you don't.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: Gurck
:laugh: Wonder what this was about? :D No side can ever convince the other, check P&N for proof. The fun is in the debate, and when it's no longer enjoyable, it's perfectly fine to opt out.

No it isn't.

Is too too too ^10 + infinity, no backsies
 

datalink7

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: Gurck
:laugh: Wonder what this was about? :D No side can ever convince the other, check P&N for proof. The fun is in the debate, and when it's no longer enjoyable, it's perfectly fine to opt out.

No it isn't.

Is too too too ^10 + infinity, no backsies

#$@#$@ :|

You win, I'm out (don't want to get a vacation for nefing anyway :p)