Why aren't there many Vietnam War games?

[Sulaco]

On the other hand, if your country does a 'wrong war' and your fellow citizens go and kill good people for no good reason other than 'the government told me to', there's a real question how much you celebrate that and praise it. There are issues of 'they didn't understand what they were doing was wrong', and our view and understanding of the war changed over time - Kerry first volunteered before becoming a leader of veterans opposing the war - but others who faced those moral issues chose not to kill.

It's becoming more and more accepted to condemn those who looked badly on people who chose to participate in the war, but they had a point also, following their morals.

It's easy to feel badly for the soldiers who sacrificed so much being treated poorly when they get back, but there are prices for moral disasters. It was awfully hard for all the Vietnamese killed for no good reason also. If a nation is going to stand for some moral standards, there are prices to pay when it falls short.

'So blame the leaders and not the grunts'. Except that the leaders can't do the wrongs without the 'grunts' who do the violence on their behalf.

Is there never a point at which the citizens should refuse to serve in a wrong war? And is it always required to praise the people who kill wrongly following those orders?

I'm for a pretty sympathetic view to young people who got caught up in the situation and went and killed. But part of opposing a wrong war is discouraging participating in it. And part of that discouragement can be the removal of that sort of 'your country all says it's just great that you did that killing', giving people less reason to do it, more reason to ask if it's wrong. Some people want it to be simple - just always praise all troops for everything all the time who followed orders. But is that really helpful in opposing wrong war?

It's hard enough for citizens to build an opposition movement to a wrong war against those who will blindly support it or who don't care about the wrongness.

Take your pretentious political droning back to the Politics forum please. This had now completely left the scope of gaming.

 

[MongGrel]

Take your pretentious political droning back to the Politics forum please. This had now completely left the scope of gaming.

+1

 

[Craig234]

Take your pretentious political droning back to the Politics forum please. This had now completely left the scope of gaming.

Yes, I'm not the one who brought up the topic of the treatment of Vietnam vets. I don't see you objecting to the post that brought it up, where your comments belong.

 

[HeXen]

I wouldn't mind to play a game from what we might consider an "enemy" side. Just to see their side of the story, get an understanding of why they were there and play from that side perspective.
All I know about most wars is our American' perspective but maybe some war game about one of Afgahn or Syria's wars might be interesting.

Some ancient wars would be fun. Like play as an Egyptian in the battle of Megiddo...something outside of guns and tanks. I know there's been a few games like that but a good FPS version of some lesser known historic battles could be interesting.

 

[Moey]

There was/is a recent Call of Duty game that is called Call Of Duty: Fog of War and was suppose to be set entirely on the Vietnam War...it has been put on hold in place of the new COD Advanced Warfare.

Developers have said they may get back to finishing COD Fog of War after the release of the upcoming COD Advanced Warfare game.

INFO HERE http://m.ign.com/articles/2014/09/10/sledgehammers-call-of-duty-vietnam-game-was-called-fog-of-war

 

[Gibsons]

if by stealthy night raid you mean blundering around in the dark listening to your friends get torn apart by mines, artillery, or walking into barbed wire as thick as your thumb, sure.

Sounds like an Omaha beach level I played once. Except for the dark part.

 

[BFG10K]

Call of Duty Black Ops 1 had Vietnam missions. Older games are Vietcong and Man of Valor.

Necrovision was a WW1 FPS but it suffered from stiff weapon mechanics and generally unpolished design. If it was as polished as Painkiller (shared some developers and used the same engine), it would've been quite viable.

 

[Aspendancer]

No Vietnam War Games because we lost the war, or should I say strategically retreated from a country that didn't really want us there anyway.

 

[Sulaco]

No Vietnam War Games because we lost the war, or should I say strategically retreated from a country that didn't really want us there anyway.

As has already been stated, that's not correct.

There have been a number of Vietnam era FPS semi-recently. Most of them were mediocre-to-poor from a gameplay standpoint, and had commensurately poor sales.

 

[ibex333]

I think it's dumb not to make a Vietnam War game just because of the public opinion on the conflict. Its interesting from the military standpoint and from the gamer standpoint. You got T-55 tanks vs the American equivalent... You have Phantoms vs MiGs.... and many many more...


There are two games that I know of that deal with Vietnam War.


Men of War: Vietnam and Wargame: European Escalation


Men of War is specifically focused on Vietnam, and Wargame just has units from that era.

Unfortunately MoW: Vietnam does not reflect the excellent pedigree of it's brothers - it's derivative, and really just a reskinned Men of War created seemingly just to milk the franchise. Still I played it extensively and beat the whole campaign and I still enjoyed it. The only issue is MoW is just too fast in multiplayer and skirmish... Its as if someone put hot pepper up it's arse. If it was slower it would be much better.


As for Wargame, it's excellent, and do give it a try....



When it comes to shooters, I'm pretty sure there's Ballefield Vietnam, and also Magika: Vietnam. ( but the latter is jut one big joke).