Why are used Laptops so expensive?

videobruce

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I did some searches for used Laptops and was amazed at the prices these older units command especially comparing them to home computers!
You have to spend around $600 and up to get something halfway decent (less than 1 or 2 years old) and when you see the offers for brand new units after rebates, you are at or very close to the same price. Surely not worth getting a used one unless a older unit for word processing or web surfing is all you plan on using it for.

Why/how can these retain their resale value as they apparently do when home units take a nose dive? Especially considering how fragile these units are.
 

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Depends on the model really. All the new ones you see going for 600 ar are usually celeron processors w/ 256megs of ram which is the bare minimum for running xp smoothly. Many older, brand name laptops (IBM, Dell etc.) can meet or beat this performance and thus still retain a relatively high price.
 

cy7878

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a used Ferrari will always cause more than a new Hyundai. WHich would you rather have?
 

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Originally posted by: cy7878
a used Ferrari will always cause more than a new Hyundai. WHich would you rather have?


name a used laptop that costs atleast 10 times the price of a new one and i will be happy with your analogy.
 

videobruce

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a used Ferrari will always cause more than a new Hyundai. WHich would you rather have?
Neither.......................

When there is a choice I buy made in USA when I can

All the new ones you see going for 600 ar are usually celeron processors w/ 256megs of ram which is the bare minimum for running xp smoothly.
I just ordered one from Office Depot for $700 (base unit was $600) after rebates with a AMD XP-M 2800! As far as the RAM, I will be using 2k so that shouldn't be a issue.
 

eriqesque

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Originally posted by: cy7878
a used Ferrari will always cause more than a new Hyundai. WHich would you rather have?

Give me the hyundai,
While the Ferrari is stuck on the side of the road in need of service.
I'll waive as I cruise by in the Hyundai.
 

imported_Woody

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Many low end budget laptops aren't any better than two or three year old high end models. Keep in mind the utility of an older laptop is still very high. They are better than having a portable DVD player with a tiny little screen when on a long flight, and they can also be used for thousands of other things.

It's kind of like an old used pickup truck compared to an old used midsize car in similar condition. They may have cost the same new but if the pickup runs it has utility value that the auto lacks and you will be hard pressed to find even an old rustbucket truck for under 2k.
 

cy7878

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Originally posted by: videobruce
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a used Ferrari will always cause more than a new Hyundai. WHich would you rather have?
Neither.......................

When there is a choice I buy made in USA when I can

All the new ones you see going for 600 ar are usually celeron processors w/ 256megs of ram which is the bare minimum for running xp smoothly.
I just ordered one from Office Depot for $700 (base unit was $600) after rebates with a AMD XP-M 2800! As far as the RAM, I will be using 2k so that shouldn't be a issue.

Show me a laptop or any computer made in the USA......... you won't find one.
 

TrentSteel

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The new laptops you mention, like the Toshiba deals going around various resellers like a bad cold, are HUGE and HEAVY (if you plan on carrying it around 12 hours/day). If you are looking for something smaller, the price of a brand-new 12" 3.5 lb. laptop can be quite shocking, so buying used becomes much more attractive. I tend to carry a lot of books and notebooks wherever I go (a vocational affliction), so schlepping around a 15" notebook that weighs more than my cat is very impractical.

But I know what you mean. Generally speaking I think people expect a little too much money for used laptops. I just bought a Dell Latitude C400 (apparently very good back in its day) for more than a new low-end Toshiba, but I think it was worth every penny (especially considering it's still under warranty--I got really lucky). And before that I had sold an old Inspiron on these forums for around $125. It was a 14", 466MHz Celeron, weighed over 8 lbs., etc., and given its age and spec's I could not with a clear conscience ask for more.

I had been watching used laptops closely for a couple months at ebay, here, and elsewhere, and I have to say it's amazing how many of them never get sold. A majority are purchased, but still there are quite a few that go unsold. Though of course there are exceptions, where someone inexplicably lays down $800 for a machine that's probably worth half that.

Anyway, good question. I'd been waiting for someone to ask it.

ADDENDUM: The tiny nature of laptops adds a premium to their cost, as fitting everything in such a small case isn't easy. Most of the time the parts aren't modular and need to be developed and manufactured for a specific line of notebooks. This R&D, to say nothing of the actual manufacturing and assembly, drives up the cost. For desktops the parts are already designed and manufactured by other companies, so it's just a question of buying them in bulk (reducing costs) and throwing them in a box, which is also probably designed and manufactured by someone else. The components for desktops don't change much over time (how old are the ATX and PCI standards?), whereas those for a given notebook computer by one particular company can change annually or more often.

Also, laptops aren't necessarily fragile. Making sure the innards are well protected and secure is yet another factor bringing up the price. A good example of this is the Thinkpad or the Toughbook.
 

videobruce

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As example:

http://www.affordablecomputers...ages/products.php/9202

http://www.buycsn.com/products/laptop.php/II=6146

http://www.saveateagle.com/600to799.html

http://www.truedataproducts.com/laptops.htm

I got mine for $700 after rebates and if you look at what $700 buys at any of those links my only question is why? Many have a smaller screen, most have a older processor, most have the same or less memory, some have a floppy. All for about the same price range.....................

I don't like rebates not just for the hassle and waiting for the check, but you have to pay sales tax on the rebate amount. In my case it's $300 (about $25 tax).

Maybe I should reask the question; Why do used home machines sell for so little?
 

imported_Woody

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Used desktops sell for so little because they are more common. When you can buy a new 2.4GHz PIV for $500 what do you expect? You just breakdown the cost and value of the included components. Many people don't know what they have so they sell some old computer for dirt cheap forgetting they just installed a 9800Pro and a bunch of extra RAM. Knowledge is power. Of course the wealth of information available on the Internet makes obtaining knowledge for the uninformed much easier.

The value of any item is what someone is willing to pay for it. If you purchased a used laptop for $400 but felt you would have paid $500 then it was worth $500 and the seller lost the deal. If you don't buy that same laptop for $600 because you feel it wasn't worth it and then someone else buys it for $600 then it's value was $600 regardless of your opinion. Doesn't mean it's still worth $600, especially if he tries to sell it to you after.

It always cracks me up to see those "only on TV" commercials where they offer a $200 value yours for only $19.95 plus shipping and handling! If it's being sold for $19.95 then that's it's value. Just people playing with words and it really doesn't mean as much as how much comes out of your wallet in the end and it you are satisfied with what you get for it.

Why downgrade to Win2K from XP? XP is just 2K with some fancy graphics, a more efficient design, and some nice useful features. If you are concerned about RAM then simply turn off all the extra eye candy and your machine will run WinXP in about 40-50MB of RAM and look and behave exactly like Win2K!

Oh and please keep politics out of this thread. These should be friendly discussions and politics makes me agitated and hostile lately.
 

niggles

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Originally posted by: videobruce
Oh and please keep politics out of this thread.
Just where in this thread was "politics" mentioned??

I think he's refering to your xmas tree avatar which is obviously Green party... or perhaps it's regarding one of the many Alien Avatars refering to that whacky Alien Republican party.

 

kami333

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Originally posted by: videobruce
As example:

http://www.affordablecomputers...ages/products.php/9202

http://www.buycsn.com/products/laptop.php/II=6146

http://www.saveateagle.com/600to799.html

http://www.truedataproducts.com/laptops.htm

I got mine for $700 after rebates and if you look at what $700 buys at any of those links my only question is why? Many have a smaller screen, most have a older processor, most have the same or less memory, some have a floppy. All for about the same price range.....................

I don't like rebates not just for the hassle and waiting for the check, but you have to pay sales tax on the rebate amount. In my case it's $300 (about $25 tax).

Maybe I should reask the question; Why do used home machines sell for so little?


Out of curiosity, can you tell me the manufacturer and model of your laptop?
 

videobruce

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Originally posted by: niggles
Originally posted by: videobruce
Oh and please keep politics out of this thread.
Just where in this thread was "politics" mentioned??

I think he's refering to your xmas tree avatar which is obviously Green party... or perhaps it's regarding one of the many Alien Avatars refering to that whacky Alien Republican party.
Huh? "obviously Green party"? Yea, ok I like Ralph Nader, but that tree was chosen long before he even announced that he would run. Surely doesn't have anything to do with Republicans (heaven forbid).
Next guess................. Since when is a Xmas tree a political symbol??

BTW, the Laptop I ordered (haven't received it yet) is from HP which surely isn't my first choice, but it had a AMD processor and the rebates were the closer.
 

gtd2000

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I'd say the real reason that many laptops are still expensive when sold as used items is because the sellers (and maybe some of the buyers) do not realise that you can get much more laptop for the the money in a newer current model.

I've seen older desktop systems advertised at prices that would make you fall on the floor and laugh, however, some of us realise that an older system at half the original cost 2, 3 or 4 years down the line is not a good deal.

A buddy of mine bought a kick-ass (at the time!!) 486 system back in the early 90's for something stupid like $6000 - what would that be worth now? ;)

I'd always go for the newer model over an older used laptop unless it was seriously cheap or of such high quality that it was worth the money.

The truth is that if people pay the asking price then that will be the market value of a used laptop - if nobody is willing to buy then they will just drop in price.

I'd say it is not that the used laptop is worth that much - it's more a case of most people not having enough knowledge to realise that they are not getting a good deal - show some seller your receipt for $1500 and ask for $700 and he will assume he/she got a decent deal. The fact that a brand new one with possibly 30% more performance/storage/battery life etc will cost you the same, is irrelevant in their eyes because they are not aware of that.
 

gtd2000

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Originally posted by: videobruce
Then why doesn't all of that apply to desktops?

Thats why I said this:

I've seen older desktop systems advertised at prices that would make you fall on the floor and laugh, however, some of us realise that an older system at half the original cost 2, 3 or 4 years down the line is not a good deal.

*Note* all of what I said does not apply to desktops in the first place.