But there is a huge difference between tobacco and nicotine. This isn't a discussion about nicotine. Take Phillip Morris as an example. They make one and only one product: cigarettes. They don't sell just nicotine which may be beneficial - they ONLY sell nicotine in a form that will kill ~1/3rd of its users.
ouch...Originally posted by: Mwilding
sarcastic by definition? yes...Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
All those who couldn't see this easily will please report to the back of the short bus where you will be given your protective helmets.
ZV
sarcastic by any measure of worthiness? not at all...
Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever
ouch...Originally posted by: Mwilding
sarcastic by definition? yes...Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
All those who couldn't see this easily will please report to the back of the short bus where you will be given your protective helmets.
ZV
sarcastic by any measure of worthiness? not at all...
That's unfortunate. Is it smoking related?
One drink a day (regardless of the source) will dramatically lower your risk of heart problems. Studies first showed that red wine helped, then studies proved it with white wine, now studies show all alcohol helps if you drink it in moderation. So Seagrams or Jack Daniels may very well have saved many lives. Of course it can be abused - any product can be abused. My point is that in many cases, Seagrams and Jack Daniels provide a very valuable and good product for society. Phillip Morris doesn't. That is why tobacco companies are considered worse than alcohol companies.
While that may have contributed (my father has smoked since before I was born,a dn my mother and I both have bad allergies), it was actually just last year, walking into the house after sealant had been put down on the new bathroom floor. Wham! Could hardly breath, and went into fits of coughing for several minutes at a time w/o being able to inhale.
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Sorry to hear that
This year my father got chlorine poisoning from working at an indoor pool facility that had some mechanical problems. The chlorine amounts in the air were at a dangerous level and now he has developed an alergic reaction to chlorine. It's induced some sort of chronic asthma in him that requires him to have an inhaler at all times. If he is exposed to chlorine he goes into an asthma attack. Earlier this year he nearly died and had to be taken into the hospital via an ambulance because he passed out and couldn't breath.
It's a very scary and unsettling feeling knowing that you could loose somebody that quickly.
Oh, come on! Why should I not be permitted to exploit the stupidity and gullibility of the masses for my own profit? If people wish to buy knowing full well what it has the potential to do to them, why should I not be allowed to sell?Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever
Nuclear weapons should be fired upon all of the tobacco plants on the south. THAT'LL take care of the tobacco plants and the FARMERS that are just as bad as SMOKERS.Originally posted by: Mwilding
to suffer like the poor tobacco leaves?
Umm... right Hee, actually PM is hitting both sides of the argument as they own Miller as well. I remember their takeover of Kraft foods being HUGE a while back.
Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever
Nuclear weapons should be fired upon all of the tobacco plants on the south. THAT'LL take care of the tobacco plants and the FARMERS that are just as bad as SMOKERS.Originally posted by: Mwilding
to suffer like the poor tobacco leaves?
No, the comany is the same. Philip Morris, a little while back, originally used that name as it's main corporate identity. The PM Limited branch was the subsidary primarily responsible for the cigarrette manufacture. Philip Morris Companies Inc. the parent company that owned the whole list that I had before, changed their name to Altria Group Inc. As you see on their own site. So while, yes, the name of the overall company has changed in a nice PR move, but it's still the exact same setup.
Yes it is the same setup - it is still one company. But the PM name is switching to be only for their cigarettes. Browse the Phillip Morris website and look at a list of the products they make. It will say (I forgot the exact words or how I got there): Phillip Morris products are cigarettes, our cigarette brands are.... Under the PM products there is no mention of anything else. Basically, they are in the process of segregating that section as much as possible from the rest of Altria. Thus it is safe to say that PM manufactures cigarettes and Altria manufactures a lot more.
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