Why are there no 27" WQHD touch monitors?

[vbuggy]

There are a small number of 27"s on the market now, but nothing which offers the resolution of e.g. my XPS One 27" Touch. I've picked up different 23" touch monitors recently for home and some work use but ideally I want WQHD 27's.

Any idea why they don't exist? The performance on my Dell's seem perfectly OK to me with no real disadvantages over the stock non-touch equivalent (Since I have several touch and non-touch XPS One 27's in my kitchens, I know this to be true) so I can't imagine there being a functional reason...?

 

[giantpandaman2]

Simple economic answer.

Lack of demand.

 

[vbuggy]

Really? With the numbers of 23-inchers coming into the marketplace? Apart from increased immersion in gaming I couldn't see a use-case for a FHD 27" (which is available in the form of the e.g. Acer bmidz 27") - and touch monitors aren't game-first in terms of application. Given that there are a fair ol' number of regular WQHD 27"s around (and that one touch device of the category at least exists, and it's not a huge premium over the non-touch model) I can't understand it. I was wondering, I dunno, if it was some sort of USB bandwidth issue or something that can only be solved consistently by building it in to a PC or was USB3.0 only, suchlike (although I can't really see that being a problem).

 

[Sleepingforest]

Think about it this way: normal 27" monitors are a premium product. The increased price ($700+) means that few people buy them except when Amazon or Newegg has a sale for $600 or less. That means that people are even less likely to buy an even more premuim product (which, by necessity, is priced higher), like a 30" monitor or a 27" with touch. The small one does not guarantee good sales of the large one.

It could be connectivity issues, but it's more likely that manufacturers would never recoup the costs of setting up a new or existing factory for the new SKU because the market is so small.

 

[corkyg]

There is also an ergonomic factor. The normal viewing distance for a 27-in or larger monitor is, for many, beyond arm's length. That has an effect on demand.

 

[vbuggy]

i guess a lot of the negative aspects of windows 8 (lack of) adoption issues must come from armchair expert opinions like that. How many AIO's would, do you imagine, be placed beyond arm's length IRL? I use even my non-touch XPS One 27's within an arm's length, and touch becomes second nature on the Touch versions,again at arm's length. I really like the selective interaction with touch on a larger screen.

While the Dells are a slightly more practical compromise (in terms of stability vs noise) than the pure-form iMacs, they're still a huge compromise compared to a decent desktop - which is why I only qualify them as kitchen PC's, for which they're very nice. I just get very frustrated that I need to pick s comparatively low-rent monitor if I actually want to hang a decent desktop off the back of a touchscreen, Perceptive Pixel monstrosities notwithstanding.

 

[corkyg]

Nothing that bad about Windows 8 - I have it on two systems. I have seen a Planar 32-incher that might meet your requirements - but, it costs about $1900.

 

[vbuggy]

I've looked at many touchscreens. While I draw the line at the mid-tens for the PP screen + PC combo, a few thousand isn't an issue - though e.g. the Dell charges only around a couple of hundred bucks premium for touch if I remember correctly.

As I said, it's not simply the size that's relevant - it's resolution for working in Desktop mode. There are a number of >23" monitors around which are Windows 8 complaint - but none I see which offers more than 1080p.

 

[corkyg]

You're right about that. The jump to ,UHD is big, and it has been demo'd but only in large screen devices. Looks like you have something to look forward to. In the meantime, most of us will limp along at 1920x1080

 

[TY-1]

I think that there is also a trend with manufacturers that by the time they get to anywhere near the 27" mark they are going to make it a full, all-in-one pc rather than just a touch-screen monitor. MSI and ASUS were both showing such systems off at PAX East this year and others were doing so much earlier.

 

[vbuggy]

Again though, the majority of the 27" AIO's were FHD. I don't really get it when the tech clearly exists, and apparently Dell alone is selling it for a very reasonable amount (in comparison to, as I mentioned, other 'exercises in circlejerking designers over everything else' like the iMac).

Clearly there isn't a shortage of WQHD monitors - when I order ZR2740's or U2713's, there have been no stock delays. And clearly manufacturers who sell both 23" touch and non-touch screens of equivalent quality aren't putting giant markups on touch (apart from you could argue the S2340T, but I've got reasonable discounts on them in small volumes). So what else gives? I don't understand it. I abandoned sub-WQHD 27/30's a while back for the desktop unless on one of my >4-monitor setups, and I feel like I'm back in the mid-2000's (the last time FHD/1200 monitors formed the bulk of what I stare at) now I want touch.

 

[Virgorising]

Simple economic answer.

Lack of demand.

I agree. Plus, and nobody hit me, please, for me, all touch screen everything is a gimmick for 5 year olds regardless of their actual, chronological age. And I include tablets. Some notable exceptions, small devices: smart phones, ebook readers. Common, can you do anything important on a PC using using touch screen?

Do we not get mice afford all the important and nuanced options? And, touch screen is an IMPEDIMENT....just the movements inherent, to what mice afford?

 

[gipper53]

I agree. Plus, and nobody hit me, please, for me, all touch screen everything is a gimmick for 5 year olds regardless of their actual, chronological age. And I include tablets. Some notable exceptions, small devices: smart phones, ebook readers. Common, can you do anything important on a PC using using touch screen?

Do we not get mice afford all the important and nuanced options? And, touch screen is an IMPEDIMENT....just the movements inherent, to what mice afford?

+1

And to add, I REALLY hate fingerprints on my screens!

 

[Virgorising]

i guess a lot of the negative aspects of windows 8 (lack of) adoption issues must come from armchair expert opinions like that. How many AIO's would, do you imagine, be placed beyond arm's length IRL? I use even my non-touch XPS One 27's within an arm's length, and touch becomes second nature on the Touch versions,again at arm's length. I really like the selective interaction with touch on a larger screen.

While the Dells are a slightly more practical compromise (in terms of stability vs noise) than the pure-form iMacs, they're still a huge compromise compared to a decent desktop - which is why I only qualify them as kitchen PC's, for which they're very nice. I just get very frustrated that I need to pick s comparatively low-rent monitor if I actually want to hang a decent desktop off the back of a touchscreen, Perceptive Pixel monstrosities notwithstanding.

Sorry, I find "armchair expert" unjustified, patronizing dissing. After all, the right way to evolve both software and hardware is to study and get clear on what consumers use their computers FOR. And, in this event, factoring in motion studies and kinesthetics. Why do you think companies pay serious money for focus groups comprising the target CLIENTBASE? You think the participants are MS certified?

I would be interested in knowing your three main things you use yr PC for.
Enterprises main use WORD? Spread sheets? Graphics? Can you pls share what, precisely you use yr touch screen for?

While say, fashion designers can make decent use of a good tablet using a stylus....even design new fabric prints (saw this on Project Runway, it was pretty fabulous), no way can really sophisticated graphics people employ such as photoshop using touch screen.

 

[Virgorising]

+1

And to add, I REALLY hate fingerprints on my screens!

OMG, I hate them too!!! Even on my little Nook Simple Touch!!! I don't even use that without first washing my hands. lol

 

[vbuggy]

Sorry, I find "armchair expert" unjustified, patronizing dissing. After all, the right way to evolve both software and hardware is to study and get clear on what consumers use their computers FOR. And, in this event, factoring in motion studies and kinesthetics. Why do you think companies pay serious money for focus groups comprising the target CLIENTBASE? You think the participants are MS certified?

I would be interested in knowing your three main things you use yr PC for.
Enterprises main use WORD? Spread sheets? Graphics? Can you pls share what, precisely you use yr touch screen for?

While say, fashion designers can make decent use of a good tablet using a stylus....even design new fabric prints (saw this on Project Runway, it was pretty fabulous), no way can really sophisticated graphics people employ such as photoshop using touch screen.

And have you used it on a comparable setup, Mr-Armchair-Expert-supporting-another-Armchair-Expert?

I use it for everyday interaction in e.g. Office 2013. Works great. It's not either/or, there are tasks that mice are better for, there are tasks that touchscreens are better suited to. The idea is that you can do both. The lack of a home button on / around the screen tends to be the biggest issue for me since you have to keep reaching down to the keyboard if you don't want to pull up the Charms bar, but I get the feeling that a lot of Armchair Experts believe that large-screen touch interaction is composed of someone doing a pointy Hitler salute 100% of the time.

Are you 100% designing dresses on your small-screen touch devices? I just don't get that people are apparently too dumb to make the mental leap that there are some things that touch is better for, especially if the OS/apps (for better or for worse, that's not the argument here) is being made touch-first / touch-friendly.

You know what really does hold you back? Using Windows 8 without a touch screen.

 

[Virgorising]

And have you used it on a comparable setup, Mr-Armchair-Expert-supporting-another-Armchair-Expert?

I use it for everyday interaction in e.g. Office 2013. Works great. It's not either/or, there are tasks that mice are better for, there are tasks that touchscreens are better suited to. The idea is that you can do both. The lack of a home button on / around the screen tends to be the biggest issue for me since you have to keep reaching down to the keyboard if you don't want to pull up the Charms bar, but I get the feeling that a lot of Armchair Experts believe that large-screen touch interaction is composed of someone doing a pointy Hitler salute 100% of the time.

Are you 100% designing dresses on your small-screen touch devices? I just don't get that people are apparently too dumb to make the mental leap that there are some things that touch is better for, especially if the OS/apps (for better or for worse, that's not the argument here) is being made touch-first / touch-friendly.

You know what really does hold you back? Using Windows 8 without a touch screen.

First, I am offended by broad brush, cavalier dismissing of anything or anyone. It's Yo Mama stuff and not forgivable.

I offered an example of just how cavalier your trying to dismiss a thoughtful comment about touch screen was by raising how companies depend on evolving products in response to, or, yes, anticipating consumers wants 7 pragmatic needs.

Next. I am female. And never so far in my life spent two consecutive minutes in any armchair......literally or metaphorically. I work at chasing & coming to own accurate data, in perspective, and getting clear over time. I am as imperfect as any other human but nobody will ever call me a dilettante.

Next, I do not run Windows 8. the reasons should already be obvious. I run Windows 7.

Next, it was never my simplistic premise that touch screen capability is meant to take the place of MOUSING. I simply can not NOT THINK OF ONE THING in any serious puter endeavor, of the sort we engage in every day, it would Enhance, is all.

I am authentically open in my seeker sensibility.....so please if you could, offer more detailed data about what you use touch screen for in MS Office apps.

Re yr question if I, Virgorising, am designing garments on say an HP tablet......you clearly did not read the post in question. Why? Because, letting yourself become encorcelled by the ersatz, pseudo seductive charms of touch screen has dulled yr discernment antenae! O! lol

What I did in service of being objective, was to offer an example I witnessed first hand, of how touch screen can abet a given project in some cases. On the other hand, even in that example, it was obvious HP is involved in Project Runway for reasons of COMMERCE!!!! And for waaay fewer dead presidents than a 30 second spot.

Am sure you are ALSO AN UBER FAN OF 3D.

I look forward with an open mind to a detailed, legit example of how using touch screen enhances any given MS Office activity. No more, pitiable Yo mamma stuff, please. It is the stuff of the unendowed and we learn nothin from it.

Thank U.

 

[vbuggy]

I've never known a female to wave around an e-peen so hard. Congrats.

Here's a suggestion. Go experience it for an extended time before you mouth off on it. Same with 3D (which I like on both my active and passive HT setups, but can take it or leave it on my Asus VG278H as far as gaming is concerned).

 

[Virgorising]

I've never known a female to wave around an e-peen so hard. Congrats.

Here's a suggestion. Go experience it. Same with 3D (which I like on my HT setups, but can take it or leave it on my Asus VG278H).

Talk about thinking/seeing things categorically and simplistically, forget, anachronistically & thru sexist sensibility......O M G, SERIOUSLY????
I rest my case.

When touch screen affords even a small percentage of the PRECISION MOUSING does, let me know. Do you doubt PRECISION is the CORE issue?

I have no vested interest in any position in any of this, no arbitrary bigotry. I am, as per my default mode, just chasing data so I can own them....often, learning and exploring someone else's well arrived at take on something helps!

But here, in this.....sigh, not so much.

As for experiencing, I have. All of it.

 

[vbuggy]

As for experiencing, I have. All of it.

Yeah, of course, of course. I can tell.

 

[Virgorising]

Yeah, of course, of course. I can tell.

Final comment: in order to earn the privilege of sitting on a jury to be arbiter of truth, U gotta pass voir dire. And, sorry U have not.

I've had touch screen phones since first iphone. Installed Windows 8 on my friends' kid's system.....he is 9, likes toys, has to keep up with today's version of cool among his friends, and his parents indulge him....and he has touch screen monitor. Took me very little time to get all its limitations. No need for formal benchmarks and bar graphs.

Enjoy yr toys. Truth and precision are a crock anyhow.....but combat absent hard, carefully arrived at data, for its own sake, rocks ....and everything is gender specific for sure.

Now, cause I am on deadline, I must get back to my armchair and my QUILL. lol

Simmer down you two. This is getting out of hand
-ViRGE

 

[vbuggy]

Jeez. I ask a simple question and it turns into an argument among the blind / pontificators sans experience. Thanks, y'all.