Why are the posters on P&N so far to the left?

[conjur]

Hmm....disapprovals in the upper 50s/low 60s
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

Seems that this board is representative of, oh, AMERICA!

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: conjur
Hmm....disapprovals in the upper 50s/low 60s
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

Seems that this board is representative of, oh, AMERICA!

Hmm....disapproval of GWB!=liberal or left leaning.....

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: conjur
Hmm....disapprovals in the upper 50s/low 60s
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

Seems that this board is representative of, oh, AMERICA!

Hmm....disapproval of GWB!=liberal or left leaning.....

Ah HA!!

My point is getting through to at least one person.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Termagant
A think a computer technology site will tend to attract younger viewers, and younger voters tend more to the left than the right.

I disagree... For example, I'm 38 and while I'm a registered Rep I can't remember the last time I voted for one. Regan the first time maybe...? Why, you ask? I'm disgusted by the hate, intolerance, and spin coming from the Rep's and especially the current administration. I'll be out of the country on Nov 7th but I've already done my absentee ballot - a straight Dem vote. Again. I don't know exactly when it happened but the Rep party seems to have taken on a 'you're with us or you're against us' attitude. For that reason I'll be changing my party to Dem when I return. I hope I'm not alone.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: strummer

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: strummer

Originally posted by: Tab
Does the younger generation tend to vote for more liberal canadiates? I thought one of the failures of the Democratic Party during the 2004 election was the over estimation of how they thought young people would flock to the voting booths and vote for Kerry. Quite the opposite happenend actually, Bush got the higher percentage of America's voting youth.

I heard this from a student from one of my political science classes last year, I have absolutely no idea if it's true or not.

Incorrect - kerry won 18 to 29 year olds 54 to 46. He lost every other age group (over 60, 45 to 59 and 30 to 44).

Source?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

haha, I love it. They guy who pulls a stat out of his ass then gets called on it asks the guy who called him on it to provide a source. Such is the logic of the P&N forum.


Strummer: Well done sir, but next time ask Tab to provide some proof other than "some dude told me" and save yourself the effort.

:roll:

Some person in my Political Science class did tell me, I didn't or never had a credible source. I have no problems with Strummer, I just want to know the truth.

Of course, to some this forum is just about "owning" other people online.

I do not fault you for having a non-credible source. You admitted freely in your first post. I just find it absurd that knowing this you challenge someone else to provide a source when they disagree with it. Claiming now that you "just want to know the truth" is either a lie or evidence of laziness. If you did truly want to know you would have looked it up.

Also please spare me either the "owning" lecture OR the roll :roll:. I don't care which.

I find it absurd, that I'd be expected to back up someone elses claim. :roll:

When Strummer disputed "someone elses claim" you didn't find it absurd to ask him to back it up did you?

You're trying to get a lot of leverage out of posting what a "little birdie" told you. By such logic anyone here could post anything as wrong as you did and then simply claim, "A little birdie told me so I don't have to provide proof....but don't argue or I'll make you provide proof yourself."

That "someone else" did not post it here. You did.


Please don't mistake this quote/counter quote back and forth that we're having as any attempt to "own" you. As I tried to convey in my post to Strummer I just think it's silly what you did. In the whole scheme of things it's really not that important. People here on P&N are certainly guilty of far worse. It's unlikely I'll yield the argument though

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Termagant
A think a computer technology site will tend to attract younger viewers, and younger voters tend more to the left than the right.

I disagree... For example, I'm 38 and while I'm a registered Rep I can't remember the last time I voted for one.

Regan the first time maybe...? Why, you ask?

I'm disgusted by the hate, intolerance, and spin coming from the Rep's and especially the current administration.

I'll be out of the country on Nov 7th but I've already done my absentee ballot - a straight Dem vote.

Again. I don't know exactly when it happened but the Rep party seems to have taken on a 'you're with us or you're against us' attitude.

For that reason I'll be changing my party to Dem when I return. I hope I'm not alone.

Wow :thumbsup:

P & N may be called a cesspit by the Republicans but if it can save just one person from the Republican hatred for America it is worth it.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Termagant
A think a computer technology site will tend to attract younger viewers, and younger voters tend more to the left than the right.

I disagree... For example, I'm 38 and while I'm a registered Rep I can't remember the last time I voted for one.

Regan the first time maybe...? Why, you ask?

I'm disgusted by the hate, intolerance, and spin coming from the Rep's and especially the current administration.

I'll be out of the country on Nov 7th but I've already done my absentee ballot - a straight Dem vote.

Again. I don't know exactly when it happened but the Rep party seems to have taken on a 'you're with us or you're against us' attitude.

For that reason I'll be changing my party to Dem when I return. I hope I'm not alone.

Wow :thumbsup:

P & N may be called a cesspit by the Republicans but if it can save just one person from the Republican hatred for America it is worth it.

I believe this gentlemen was "saved" by his own intelligence and observations that stretch far beyond this forum. I'm a liberal and I still think this place is a cesspit hehe.

I'll still throw in a :thumbsup: though I'm always glad to see a vote for dems.


Although I'm a democrat my wish isn't for people to jump off the sinking republican ship like rats. It would be better for us all if they got their crap together and stopped the ship from sinking instead.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Termagant
A think a computer technology site will tend to attract younger viewers, and younger voters tend more to the left than the right.

I disagree... For example, I'm 38 and while I'm a registered Rep I can't remember the last time I voted for one.

Regan the first time maybe...? Why, you ask?

I'm disgusted by the hate, intolerance, and spin coming from the Rep's and especially the current administration.

I'll be out of the country on Nov 7th but I've already done my absentee ballot - a straight Dem vote.

Again. I don't know exactly when it happened but the Rep party seems to have taken on a 'you're with us or you're against us' attitude.

For that reason I'll be changing my party to Dem when I return. I hope I'm not alone.

Wow :thumbsup:

P & N may be called a cesspit by the Republicans but if it can save just one person from the Republican hatred for America it is worth it.

I'll never be a regular in OT or P&N just because if I was I'd be even less productive than I am now. I just caught this thread because it was high-up in the 'Hot Topics' section.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Termagant
A think a computer technology site will tend to attract younger viewers, and younger voters tend more to the left than the right.

I disagree... For example, I'm 38 and while I'm a registered Rep I can't remember the last time I voted for one.

Regan the first time maybe...? Why, you ask?

I'm disgusted by the hate, intolerance, and spin coming from the Rep's and especially the current administration.

I'll be out of the country on Nov 7th but I've already done my absentee ballot - a straight Dem vote.

Again. I don't know exactly when it happened but the Rep party seems to have taken on a 'you're with us or you're against us' attitude.

For that reason I'll be changing my party to Dem when I return. I hope I'm not alone.

Wow :thumbsup:

P & N may be called a cesspit by the Republicans but if it can save just one person from the Republican hatred for America it is worth it.

I'll never be a regular in OT or P&N just because if I was I'd be even less productive than I am now. I just caught this thread because it was high-up in the 'Hot Topics' section.

Welcome to P&N anyway and thank you for not being brainwashed. :thumbsup:

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Termagant
A think a computer technology site will tend to attract younger viewers, and younger voters tend more to the left than the right.

I disagree... For example, I'm 38 and while I'm a registered Rep I can't remember the last time I voted for one.

Regan the first time maybe...? Why, you ask?

I'm disgusted by the hate, intolerance, and spin coming from the Rep's and especially the current administration.

I'll be out of the country on Nov 7th but I've already done my absentee ballot - a straight Dem vote.

Again. I don't know exactly when it happened but the Rep party seems to have taken on a 'you're with us or you're against us' attitude.

For that reason I'll be changing my party to Dem when I return. I hope I'm not alone.

Wow :thumbsup:

P & N may be called a cesspit by the Republicans but if it can save just one person from the Republican hatred for America it is worth it.

I believe this gentlemen was "saved" by his own intelligence and observations that stretch far beyond this forum. I'm a liberal and I still think this place is a cesspit hehe.

I'll still throw in a :thumbsup: though I'm always glad to see a vote for dems.


Although I'm a democrat my wish isn't for people to jump off the sinking republican ship like rats. It would be better for us all if they got their crap together and stopped the ship from sinking instead.

In the past I don't think I'd say I was a Rep or Dem - more like down the center. It's the current overall state of the nation that has me leaning left now. I don't even know that much about the Dem's I voted for and it's probably better to say I don't know that much about the Rep's I voted against. My votes were a vote against the current administration simply because the Rep's control the big chair, house, and senate and IMO (and many others) it's not working. If the Dem's win I don't know if they'll have the answers but I do know that the current regime's plan doesn't appear to be (or have?) a solution. It's time to give someone else a chance.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Robor
In the past I don't think I'd say I was a Rep or Dem - more like down the center.

It's the current overall state of the nation that has me leaning left now.

I don't even know that much about the Dem's I voted for and it's probably better to say I don't know that much about the Rep's I voted against.

My votes were a vote against the current administration simply because the Rep's control the big chair, house, and senate and IMO (and many others) it's not working.

If the Dem's win I don't know if they'll have the answers but I do know that the current regime's plan doesn't appear to be (or have?) a solution.

It's time to give someone else a chance.

You're making me cry.

I wish more Americans realized this in 2004.

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Not all of us are on the far left.

I would agree. You could ask the same question in "why are the posters on P&N so far to the right?"

It's usually extremists on both sides that scream the loudest so it's easy to make an assumption such as the above.

I have read many thoughtful, well thought-out comments from both sides of the aisle. IMO, those are probably the more centrist/moderate voices.

 

[Zepper]

Very few ATers have either the strength of mind or independence of thought to resist or break the indoctrination of the government juvenile detention centers (aka public school systems - and even many private schools) and the intense leftward bias of the colleges, universities and mass-media in general. They are sheeple just like the leftist institutions want them...

As Thomas Sowell (IMO one of the most intelligent and dead-on observers of the American milieu who ever lived - and who was once a socialist himself) remarked:
. "The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive." The institutions of the context are government and academe.

There are only two political camps: one that holds individual liberty as its highest value, and the other which doesn't mind tyranny as long as it's the type they want and that they get to be the tyrants. It's not that hard to determine which is which with only a little effort. . In between are only increasing degrees of tyranny. A succinct analogy: "The only difference between a petit (petty) thief and a grand thief is opportunity." Ayn Rand. As it is in America right now, the only difference between what little liberty we have left and abject tyrany of the left is the armed citizenry and the Second Amendment which recognizes and states clearly that right.

Time to choose!!!

.bh.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Zepper
Very few ATers have either the strength of mind or independence of thought to resist or break the indoctrination of the government juvenile detention centers (aka public school systems - and even many private schools) and the intense leftward bias of the colleges, universities and mass-media in general. They are sheeple just like the leftist institutions want them...

I would really find that an interesting statement about the AT forum if you could provide any evidence. I hope you choose to retort my comments and do so.

What do you know of anyone's strength of mind or independence of thought? Do you now wish to add to this conversation that educational institutions are leftist while then quoting Thomas Sowell the professor?

As Thomas Sowell (IMO one of the most intelligent and dead-on observers of the American milieu who ever lived - and who was once a socialist himself) remarked:
. "The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive." The institutions of the context are government and academe.

There are only two political camps: one that holds individual liberty as its highest value, and the other which doesn't mind tyranny as long as it's the type they want and that they get to be the tyrants. It's not that hard to determine which is which with only a little effort. . In between are only increasing degrees of tyranny. A succinct analogy: "The only difference between a petit (petty) thief and a grand thief is opportunity." Ayn Rand. As it is in America right now, the only difference between what little liberty we have left and abject tyrany of the left is the armed citizenry and the Second Amendment which recognizes and states clearly that right.

Time to choose!!!

.bh.
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"It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance." - Thomas Sowell

 

[WackyDan]

Originally posted by: Termagant
A think a computer technology site will tend to attract younger viewers, and younger voters tend more to the left than the right.

And in ten years after paying more and more taxes out of their hopefully rising income they'll start to turn conservative. That's fairly typical though - Time, and experience allows one to validate or change their views according to the environment they are currently living in.

That doesn't mean that every young liberal will turn conservative, just that life experiences are the greatest teacher and I think those are what dictate our own political stance.

Heck, I grew up in a very conservative, yet Democrat household. Is it any wonder I registered republican? Seriously. My father was unionized , hence Mom and Dad being Dems. Today I'm actually thinking of switching to independant. My views still lean conservative, but not so far right that I couldn't be called a moderate.

 

[Pandaren]

All this complaining about the "left" is bull#$!. It seems like many of the "conservative" faithful (fans of Bush, Rove, the Jack Abramoff crowd, etc) will label anyone who doesn't toe the (R) party line as a "liberal".

I'm for a strong military, low taxes, and smaller federal government, which are traditionally "conservative" ideas. I don't like the sprawling, unaccountable mess that the Federal government has become.

I want leadership that thinks before it acts, spends taxpayer $ repsonsibly, and doesn't kowtow to religious interests. Frankly I am tired of relgious zealots and jingoistic idiots, who want to move the US towards Iran or Nazi Germany.

Keep taxes low, and stay the frak out of people's personal affairs.

Originally posted by: Zepper
Very few ATers have either the strength of mind or independence of thought to resist or break the indoctrination of the government juvenile detention centers (aka public school systems - and even many private schools) and the intense leftward bias of the colleges, universities and mass-media in general. They are sheeple just like the leftist institutions want them...

 

[Smilin]

Hey just as a quick note about liberals and taxes. I constantly get this "liberals want to raise your taxes" crap thrown around at me so here:

*MY* opinion as a liberal which may not be the same as others:

I hate taxes just as much as the next guy and I do *NOT* want them raised. However, I am not cool at all with deficit spending. In my own personal household I have ZERO credit card debt. Any time a credit card is used it's paid in full the next month. I want my govornment to do the same.

Now if Liberals and Conservatives want to fight it out tooth and nail over what social, military, unjustified WAR, or other programs they want that's fine. May the brightest team win! (heck I want new computers, my wife wants new china) I just think once it's decided on we should pay for it instead of congress swiping the credit card every year to pay for essential bills. I don't want my daughter pay 10 trillion dollars for a 1 trillion dollar war that I was to morally weak to pay for.

Do you pay your monthly bills with your credit card? Do you pay your credit card bills with your credit card? Do you do this EVERY month with no idea how you're going to pay it off? Well your govornment does this. When as a liberal I say I want taxes raised it's only to stop that from happening, nothing more. If you want to know WHOs taxes I think should be raised that's a whole other discussion, but statistically it's probably not anyone reading this.

Also don't forget: deficit spending X does not mean our debt increases by X. The debt is a LOT more. Same way that when you put $1000 on your credit card every month for ten years doesn't mean you owe $120,000 at the end of the 10 years.

Tax and spend liberal > charge card and spend conservative

Oh well. Everyone will still vote republican. The economy of America looks as bright as my neighbors new 50" plasma TV that he put on his credit card. We all want to live in the house with the 50" plasma so we'll vote republican. Nobody wants to give up toys to pay the credit card bill so we'll never vote democrat.