Why are some people so much better than others?

notfred

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I was just thinking about this after discussing some people I know.... what is it that drives some people to do so much better than others? Are they just smarter? Have better communications skills? Are less lazy? All of the above? Let's take the following examples.

Exihbit A: Guy that works with my fiancee.
This guy is 21 years old. He lives with his parents. I'd like to say that his parents are a very typical middle class suburban family, so he's not "underpriveledged" or anything. Anyway, he lives with his parents. He drives a beat up 10 year old Honda Accord that you can't open the passenger's side door on. This car was given to him by his parents when they got a new one. He works at a drugstore. He's worked at the same drug store for 4 years. He got a summer job in high school, and he just kept it. After 4 years on the same job, he makes $9.00/hour. His hobby is the same as ours, his computer. However, he's not even very good at that, he calls himself a 'hardware guy' because he can assemble a PC, which most of us know could be taught to a monkey in a half day seminar. That's about the limit of his computer skills. His goal in life is to get a 'degree' from one of the tech school places like ITT tech. However, he's not progressing towards that at all. He hasn't saved any money towards tuition, hasn't applied, and definitely isn't attending classes. Actually, even with his parents paying for his food and rent, he's manged to accumulate a couple grand in debt.
he dates a girl that's equally as bad. She's 19, works at the same place, but for less pay. She also lives with her parents and drives thier car. She didn't even graduate high school, and has no other plans than to work at a cash register for a maximum salary of $12/hour after 10 years on the job. She's also completely insecure about herself, extremely gullible, and jsut generally not intelligent.

Exhibit B: A friend of mine who also works on Mustangs.
Also 21 years old. Also didn't go to college. He came from a single parent home that was constantly being moved a cross the country. Eventually he got sick of it and stayed in California, his family is in Colorado now. Last summer, he got married. He's rented a place with his wife for the past 6 months or so, and now they're looking to buy a place. He's ready to go as soon as he picks a place out for about $175k, and should be in his own place within the next month or two. He works in desktop supportfor a large financial company, and makes fairly decent money. His wife works at a major insurance company. They own three cars, all of which they paid for themselves. Neither of them has lived with thier parents in several years, and they're entirely self sufficient. He knows 10 times more about computers than the guy from exhibit A, and he doesn't even work with them for fun, he builds cars for fun. Right now he's building a 408 stroker motor powered Mustang. It's going kinda slowly as he doesn't have a whole lot of extra cash for it, but he can come home from work, to the palce he pays for himself, and continue to work productively on a project he enjoys. Whereas guy 'A' doesn't do anything but sit on his parents couch and watch pirated movies he downloads off the internet.

Why can't more people be like my friend with the mustang? Is there anything in particular that makes them leeches?
 

Cycad

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Some people are just motivated to better themselves and some people are content to sit on the couch.
 

Chaotic42

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I don't know. I'm not really either one of those. I live on my own, but I'm not really going anywhere. I'd like to join the military, but if that doesn't work out, I'm going to have to bust ass to save for college.

I had a scholarship, but I was young and stupid when I went to college, and I didn't go to class. I didn't just goof around, I taught myself lots of programming/linux/hardware stuff, but that's not all that great without a degree.

Maybe people rise in the face of adversity. That's my only guess.
 

Spoooon

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Some people are just plain motivated. Now, what makes them more motivated? Well, maybe circumstances beyond their control encourage it, and people in their situation that are not motivated to succeed may not survive. They end up like friend A.
 

KokomoGST

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Methinks it's something upstairs that makes them lack motivation... must be psychological... my brother had a similar problem but wasn't just unmotivated... he was also irresponsible and sometimes an outright liar to avoid anything unpleasant, like work, school, assignments, responsiblities...

thankfully he's a heading toward the right track now... but GEEZ, he was messed up and deluded.
 

KahunaHube

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some people don't feel the urge to apply themselves... or maybe they just find happiness in a different way then you do.
 

Zim Hosein

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Motivation is one factor notfred, but being happy is something that can only be viewed from that person's shoes. You and I may think that Guy A is a loser, but he may be happy where he is thus not motivated to do any more or less to further himself. I think happiness is more important than how much one makes per hour IMHO :)
 

BatmanNate

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Wow NotFred, I always wondered what made one person better than another. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

Mill

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Some people are content with what they are doing. Others just don't see the point in changing what they have.

Edit- One other thing. You are judging people on what you think they should be doing. Not everyone has the same standards as you do, nor do they wish to change their standards.

You and me both could be criticized for the money and time we have spent on our cars. Too bad that we don't care because we are happy with what we have done. Maybe guy #1 is just plain happy with his situation.
 

deftron

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Just playing devils advocate,

but I think it has a little to do with who your connections are..


For example, how did that guy #2 get a job in desktop support for a financial company and make good
money without any college ? He probably got hooked up by someone he knew.



On the ohter hand, guy #1 sounds like probably wouldn't do any thing good with an offer even if it fell in his lap..
 

Dragnov

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I tend to believe in "thats just the way they are."

I don't see how you can say Exihibit A is worthless or such. I mean if we all die, what difference does it make? As long as hes happy and content with what he haves, then so be it.
 

Conky

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What's the difference? They will both be dead a hundred years from now.

Don't be so quick to judge other people. Some people have different motivations and some people don't get motivated until later in life. At least neither one of them is in prison or dead.

My friend was like exhibit B until he was found dead. Thriving business, brand new condo, brand new paid-for car, brand new computer, beautiful fiance but then he died from a drug overdose. He sure seemed like he had it together too. You never know.
 

DaveSimmons

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Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Motivation is one factor notfred, but being happy is something that can only be viewed from that person's shoes. You and I may think that Guy A is a loser, but he may be happy where he is thus not motivated to do any more or less to further himself. I think happiness is more important than how much one makes per hour IMHO :)
Exactly. My brother quit a $110K/year job to go back to being self-employed at $50K/year because he hated working for that company but that doesn't make him better or worse than whoever took his place at the company.

I've worked at two smaller software companies since college instead of joining a mega-corp, because I enjoy being the cheif architecht of a smaller application instead of working on one piece of a monster like XP Server. Does the fact that I passed up the chance to be another MS millionaire make me unmotivated? No, I'm doing what I want to do and am still making a very comfortable living at it.

However, while leeching off your parents as an adult might make you happy, it's not the most ethical thing to do. So I'd admit your "leech" friend is a worse person for making his parents work to support him.
 

human2k

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Originally posted by: notfred
I was just thinking about this after discussing some people I know.... what is it that drives some people to do so much better than others? Are they just smarter? Have better communications skills? Are less lazy? All of the above? Let's take the following examples.

Exihbit A: Guy that works with my fiancee.
This guy is 21 years old. He lives with his parents. I'd like to say that his parents are a very typical middle class suburban family, so he's not "underpriveledged" or anything. Anyway, he lives with his parents. He drives a beat up 10 year old Honda Accord that you can't open the passenger's side door on. This car was given to him by his parents when they got a new one. He works at a drugstore. He's worked at the same drug store for 4 years. He got a summer job in high school, and he just kept it. After 4 years on the same job, he makes $9.00/hour. His hobby is the same as ours, his computer. However, he's not even very good at that, he calls himself a 'hardware guy' because he can assemble a PC, which most of us know could be taught to a monkey in a half day seminar. That's about the limit of his computer skills. His goal in life is to get a 'degree' from one of the tech school places like ITT tech. However, he's not progressing towards that at all. He hasn't saved any money towards tuition, hasn't applied, and definitely isn't attending classes. Actually, even with his parents paying for his food and rent, he's manged to accumulate a couple grand in debt.
he dates a girl that's equally as bad. She's 19, works at the same place, but for less pay. She also lives with her parents and drives thier car. She didn't even graduate high school, and has no other plans than to work at a cash register for a maximum salary of $12/hour after 10 years on the job. She's also completely insecure about herself, extremely gullible, and jsut generally not intelligent.

Exhibit B: A friend of mine who also works on Mustangs.
Also 21 years old. Also didn't go to college. He came from a single parent home that was constantly being moved a cross the country. Eventually he got sick of it and stayed in California, his family is in Colorado now. Last summer, he got married. He's rented a place with his wife for the past 6 months or so, and now they're looking to buy a place. He's ready to go as soon as he picks a place out for about $175k, and should be in his own place within the next month or two. He works in desktop supportfor a large financial company, and makes fairly decent money. His wife works at a major insurance company. They own three cars, all of which they paid for themselves. Neither of them has lived with thier parents in several years, and they're entirely self sufficient. He knows 10 times more about computers than the guy from exhibit A, and he doesn't even work with them for fun, he builds cars for fun. Right now he's building a 408 stroker motor powered Mustang. It's going kinda slowly as he doesn't have a whole lot of extra cash for it, but he can come home from work, to the palce he pays for himself, and continue to work productively on a project he enjoys. Whereas guy 'A' doesn't do anything but sit on his parents couch and watch pirated movies he downloads off the internet.

Why can't more people be like my friend with the mustang? Is there anything in particular that makes them leeches?

WOW, my brother is a perfect example of exhibit A!!!!