Why are so many Republicans refusing vaccination? Because Russia is telling them to

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More evidence that the much of the anti-vax narrative being fed to the right is coming from Russia.



What is the difference between doubt and distrust? Doubt can be overcome by evidence. Distrust cannot.

According to a recent Washington Post poll, refusal to get the COVID-19 vaccine has now become completely politicized in the USA. Among Democrats, 93% report that they’ve already gotten at least one shot or are likely to, compared with only 49% of Republicans.

Why so much refusal to vaccinate among the GOP? Because they’re being targeted by a deliberate campaign of disinformation. Science denial isn’t a mistake, it’s a purposeful lie.

Despite ample data that the vaccines are safe, false stories circulate on the internet claiming that scientists are lying to us, that the vaccines can make you infertile, that they contain microchips, that they can alter your DNA. Do these worries arise organically? Maybe some do. But such disinformation is often intentionally created to serve someone’s financial, political or ideological interests.

Among those with something to gain is the Russian government, which is diligently working to undermine confidence in the vaccines as part of its goal of destabilizing American society. It has been spreading misinformation for years on a host of other virus-related topics, including flu and Ebola. From there, it’s a short hop to having their message amplified by conspiracy-embracing, right-wing media, whether witting or not, and by the soulless churn of algorithms on social media.

And it doesn’t take many people amplifying a false message to have an outsized effect. According to a recent PBS story, 65% of the anti-vaccine propaganda on Twitter was due to just 12 people, some of whom are profiting from the creation of bogus skepticism through the promotion of alternative treatments and cures.

The targets for all of this disinformation are gullible people, who are already feeling defensive and threatened and now feel justified in questioning scientific consensus. Of course, they don’t get anything out of it. Most of the people we call science deniers are just pawns of others who profit from their credulity or ideological allegiance. And in the case of COVID vaccine refusal, those pawns are dying. According to an Associated Press analysis of CDC data, 99.2% of COVID deaths in the U.S. are now among the unvaccinated.

What is the most effective way to fight back? Certainly, it would be good to inform people who are being duped just exactly who is doing the duping. For those who are already disposed to believe in conspiracy theories, here is a real live conspiracy! (Of course, as Mark Twain reportedly said, it’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they’ve been fooled).

What doesn’t work? Telling a science denier they’re wrong. Just providing facts and evidence won’t work. The antidote to denial is not more (potentially untrustworthy) information, but to increase trust.

The anecdotal literature shows that when someone gives up their denialist beliefs it is almost always a result of personal engagement. Within this context, trust grows and facts can be effective.

But can it work with strangers?

Longtime GOP pollster Frank Luntz conducted a focus group to try to find an effective message to get people to take their COVID shots. Here’s what he found worked: listening, patience and respect. The participants — all of whom started out reluctant to take the vaccine — began to trust him, and within that context he provided information that ultimately led all 19 of them to say that they were more likely to take their shots.

In researching my forthcoming book, “How to talk to a science denier,” I found similar tactics were effective not only on anti-vaxxers, but also climate deniers and others.

Perhaps the answer to our current crisis is not more evidence, but more engagement. Rather than retreat to our favorite news silos, we might try interacting with those who think differently than we do. In an era of polarization, wouldn’t it be great if we learned to talk to — and trust — one another again?
 
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shortylickens

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did we not already have this tread? or is this ANOTHER report of different Russian misinformation? on top of all the old ones?
 

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So, you're saying that Republicans and Russia and China are all in agreement that the US Government cannot be trusted?

I mean, yeah, it's been this way since the 1950s. McCarthy in the 50s and various right-wing authoritarian Republican/Modern Conservative groups inside and outside of politics. 70+ years now.

By making the citizenry distrust the government, it's easier for the fascists to take over government to impose unconstitutional laws against "others" they don't consider to be "real Americans". Shit, list the amount of former and current Republicans who use phrases like "real Americans", they're all fascist treasonous shitbags.

Of course, there is this liberal blogger I've seen with 17 active readers who sometimes says similar things, so BothSidesDoIt™ or whatever.
 

Zorba

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Section 230 needs to die and companies should be held liable for their bullshit. Engagement is but an effective method large scale against Facebook, YouTube, and Fox news.
 

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Unfortunately that article contains nothing of substance linking anti-vax propaganda to Russia. After it's headline, it literally only mentions Russia once and provides nothing that isn't entirely circumstantial.

Presumably Russia is contributing to this propaganda but we have no idea of the scale of it. Could be 25% or 1% of it.
 

Paratus

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Section 230 needs to die and companies should be held liable for their bullshit. Engagement is but an effective method large scale against Facebook, YouTube, and Fox news.
Unfortunately removing section 230 will likely make it worse.

Either no one will be allowed to post and forums like this will be gone or it will have to be a free for all with the worst of 4-Chan being posted because without section 230 any company that moderates user content will be liable for the that content.
 

Zorba

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Unfortunately removing section 230 will likely make it worse.

Either no one will be allowed to post and forums like this will be gone or it will have to be a free for all with the worst of 4-Chan being posted because without section 230 any company that moderates user content will be liable for the that content.
Yeah, obviously it needs to be more nuanced than just eliminate it. Maybe as soon as you promote it, you own it. Anandtech doesn't push troll posts to drive engagement, facebook and youtube do.
 
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MrSquished

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I don't care if they die at this point, just don't clog up the hospitals for folks that are evolved and need to be in the hospital for whatever reason.
 
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Yeah, obviously it needs to be more nuanced than just eliminate it. Maybe as soon as you promote it, you own it. Anandtech doesn't push troll posts to drive engagement, facebook and youtube do.
Agreed. There is a legitimate monetary interest in fostering credence to the disinformed opinion. It stimulates advertizing by engaging morons who desperately want to believe they know more than the experts. And while it is impracticable to hold every someone accountable for the real world harm their willful ignorance causes, there is potential recourse against those who profit from same.
IOW, to the moron (not the poster I'm replying to), you're free to say whatever you want. I just know that you'd never know what to say if someone else didn't tell you.
 
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So, you're saying that Republicans and Russia and China are all in agreement that the US Government cannot be trusted?

See, now this is where the brains are turned off and NO ONE in that right-wing echo chamber is thinking for themselves. Literally dumber than boxes of fucking rocks.

For COVID and the vaccines to be a conspiracy would not just require the US government alone.

It would require literally every single epidemiologist, virologist, immunologist and 99.999% of medical doctors in EVERY COUNTRY ON THE PLANET to be in on the conspiracy along with EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT on the planet... including our enemies.

ALL of this shit is nothing more than a very basic critical thinking IQ test and as time goes on the dividing line between those who pass and those who fail is becoming crystal fucking clear.

The GQP has become the party that OVERTLY caters to that crowd. So much so, that in just 4 short years the anti-vax crowd went from being roughly 50/50 left/right to virtually ALL right-wing Q/Trump supporters. Same with flat earthers and alt-med pushers.

The GQP is now the unified party of batshit science and reality denialism. It is a fucking cult that absorbs any and all lacking in critical thinking skills.

The GQP is the Idiocracy party.
 
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