Why are people so concerned with the Falcon?

[Modeps]

Alright, so I admit I've had to send my 360 back for various issues (no RRoD, drive issues) but I was under the impression that Microsoft figured out the hardware issue with the system and applied a fix to the newer consoles (pre-Falcon) so the RRoD wouldnt happen.

So my question is this, Why are people so concerned about getting the Falcon? Will the 360 be faster? Will it consume significantly less power or produce significantly less heat?

Inquiring minds (me) wanna know.

 

[bucwylde23]

Well i know that it consumes less power and produces less heat. I"m guessing the motherboard has a few changes also to make it more reliable.

 

[blurredvision]

Also, a lot of people I've seen clamoring for it are people that were initially waiting for a price drop, which then turned into waiting for the updated hardware.

 

[lupi]

Desire to not purchase a $400 plastic brick?

 

[Sniper82]

They just upgraded the GPU heatsink on the non falcons. It will drop your chances of a RROD but chances are still high and much higher than Falcon. I think the Falcon alone should drop the failure rate less than half if not more. Of course all this depends on where the system is stored and how well its taken care of. The Falcon will overall run cooler because of the 65nm CPU and the fact the GPU still has the upgraded heatsink helps that much more. I think we will see very little RROD's now. But of course you never know with the new redesign as something else could flair up.

But I am one of the ppl who has waited for them.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: Modeps
So my question is this, Why are people so concerned about getting the Falcon? Will the 360 be faster? Will it consume significantly less power or produce significantly less heat?.

If you read the Falcon threads you'll see it does run cooler and use less power. No speed change, that doesn't make sense for consoles.

Zephyr (in Elite and the first batch of HDMI Premium/Pro) has epoxy and a new heatsink, but it is still the original motherboard design. No one knows how well this duct-tape fix will reduce RRoDs yet, though it seems to help some.

Falcon is uses revised motherboard design from after MS knew about the RRoD issue. Because it's a revised design with a cooler CPU the engineers had more options for making the design reliable.

People will say "yeah, but how do we know it's more reliable" or "yeah, but if the design flaw in the first motherboard slipped past QA it could happen again." My answer is that MS usually doesn't make the exact same mistake twice in a row, and they had a huge incentive (my wild guess is over $2 billion in warranty costs) to fix the problem.

 

[Xavier434]

Reasons I want a Falcon vs my standard Premium 360:

1. My 360 doesn't have an HDMI port and I want one for when I get an HDTV. That is the main reason.

2. It runs cooler and the reports so far are looking good in terms of reliability. Although, I am waiting to longer to see if that holds true several months from now.

 

[Skacer]

The hope is that by buying a Falcon you have less chance of encountering the RRoD.

 

[Wildog]

I got one of the HDMI Pros back in September and haven't had any issues so far. Now, I don't play it everyday, or leave it on for 8 hours at a time, but I haven't had any issues on it at all.

 

[bullbert]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
People will say "yeah, but how do we know it's more reliable" or "yeah, but if the design flaw in the first motherboard slipped past QA it could happen again." My answer is that MS usually doesn't make the exact same mistake twice in a row, and they had a huge incentive (my wild guess is over $2 billion in warranty costs) to fix the problem.

Why would you EVER say that? Even ***IF*** we restrict our discussion to game consoles only (and neglect the reoccurring problems in PC OS products, PC Office products, PC Enterprise SW, PC hardware, etc, etc, etc) then name a problem that XBox 1 had, that XBox 360 has not had at some point its first two years including release, production, and redesigns?

Overheating? BOTH
Optical drive? BOTH
...continue to add on here...

Many, many, many new symptoms, but all boil down to M$ making the same design, supplier, and manufacturing mistakes. Sometimes the same mistake MORE than twice in a row.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: bullbert

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
People will say "yeah, but how do we know it's more reliable" or "yeah, but if the design flaw in the first motherboard slipped past QA it could happen again." My answer is that MS usually doesn't make the exact same mistake twice in a row, and they had a huge incentive (my wild guess is over $2 billion in warranty costs) to fix the problem.

Why would you EVER say that? Even ***IF*** we restrict our discussion to game consoles only (and neglect the reoccurring problems in PC OS products, PC Office products, PC Enterprise SW, PC hardware, etc, etc, etc) then name a problem that XBox 1 had, that XBox 360 has not had at some point its first two years including release, production, and redesigns?

Overheating? BOTH
Optical drive? BOTH
...continue to add on here...

Many, many, many new symptoms, but all boil down to M$ making the same design, supplier, and manufacturing mistakes. Sometimes the same mistake MORE than twice in a row.

Um, same design, supplier, and manufacturing mistakes? What in the hell are you talking about? It's not even close to being the same design. The original XBox "overheating" was a tiny fraction of the number of XBox owners who had them. (I owned 3 different ones - chipped two and sold those, had one that I sold to a buddy when I bought my 360) Optical drive - there was one that was prone to failure. I haven't seen that as even close to being a huge issue now with the 360. Noisy? Sure. Prone to failure like that one type of drive on the original? Nope.

 

[RandomFool]

Originally posted by: bullbert

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
People will say "yeah, but how do we know it's more reliable" or "yeah, but if the design flaw in the first motherboard slipped past QA it could happen again." My answer is that MS usually doesn't make the exact same mistake twice in a row, and they had a huge incentive (my wild guess is over $2 billion in warranty costs) to fix the problem.

Why would you EVER say that? Even ***IF*** we restrict our discussion to game consoles only (and neglect the reoccurring problems in PC OS products, PC Office products, PC Enterprise SW, PC hardware, etc, etc, etc) then name a problem that XBox 1 had, that XBox 360 has not had at some point its first two years including release, production, and redesigns?

Overheating? BOTH
Optical drive? BOTH
...continue to add on here...

Many, many, many new symptoms, but all boil down to M$ making the same design, supplier, and manufacturing mistakes. Sometimes the same mistake MORE than twice in a row.

Granted they may have the same issues but they are different products.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: bullbert

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
People will say "yeah, but how do we know it's more reliable" or "yeah, but if the design flaw in the first motherboard slipped past QA it could happen again." My answer is that MS usually doesn't make the exact same mistake twice in a row, and they had a huge incentive (my wild guess is over $2 billion in warranty costs) to fix the problem.

Why would you EVER say that? Even ***IF*** we restrict our discussion to game consoles only (and neglect the reoccurring problems in PC OS products, PC Office products, PC Enterprise SW, PC hardware, etc, etc, etc) then name a problem that XBox 1 had, that XBox 360 has not had at some point its first two years including release, production, and redesigns?

Overheating? BOTH
Optical drive? BOTH
...continue to add on here...

Many, many, many new symptoms, but all boil down to M$ making the same design, supplier, and manufacturing mistakes. Sometimes the same mistake MORE than twice in a row.

Even if his statement was inaccurate, yours is totally ass backwards. The sooner you let go of your hate for Microsoft, the sooner the big picture will become clear. Dislike them all you want, but don't let any of this nonsense throw off your better judgment. That is just stupid.