Why are Millennials more...Liberal?

[thraashman]

So far as the actual topic, I'd say that millennials are more liberal because of the information age. We have more access to information with more sources for that information than in our entire history. And historically, the more educated you are with the more access to information that you have, the more liberal you are. You have to be ignorant to be conservative.

 

[alzan]

How 'bout dem average school grades of millennials compared to the rest of world? Oh yeah, last place because they are too busy banging their teachers.

Wow, you've summed up the answer in one tidy little sentence haven't you?

Methinks your school grades and/or intelligence is considerably lower than millennials.

 

[MagickMan]

Because a lot more of them are on the dole.

 

[unokitty]

Interesting that Millennials are less likely to identify as “environmentalists.”


Uno

 

[berzerker60]

Because a lot more of them are on the dole.

Oh please, food stamps aren't the only kind of 'dole.' The mortgage write-off on your taxes is welfare. The food subsidies keeping food prices low is welfare. Gas is cheaper here than much of the world in part because of subsidies aka welfare. Everyone is a "taker." Virtually everyone is a "maker." The whole "liberals just want free stuff" meme is so absurd and delusional.''

Interesting that Millennials are less likely to identify as “environmentalists.”

That is interesting. I wonder if that is a real measure of how much their care about the environment relative to each other, though. I don't consider myself "a feminist" per se but I have much, much more feminist views than the average of older generations than me - I just don't think the term communicates very much. I'd bet if you looked at environment-friendly actions (or just actions that people think are 'green,' whether or not they are) you might see a different story, regardless of how people identify explicitly.

 

[MrPickins]

I like how all the conservative responses are "they are secret future conservatives anyway" or "they have been evilly tricked". There's never a consideration that they might just actually be genuinely more liberal for non-nefarious reasons.

They also don't ever stop to think that maybe the fact that the Republican Party has gone off the deep end with the Christian Right and the Tea Party has alienated some of those moderates who might have leaned to the right (such as myself).

 

[hal2kilo]

Oh please, food stamps aren't the only kind of 'dole.' The mortgage write-off on your taxes is welfare. The food subsidies keeping food prices low is welfare. Gas is cheaper here than much of the world in part because of subsidies aka welfare. Everyone is a "taker." Virtually everyone is a "maker." The whole "liberals just want free stuff" meme is so absurd and delusional.''


That is interesting. I wonder if that is a real measure of how much their care about the environment relative to each other, though. I don't consider myself "a feminist" per se but I have much, much more feminist views than the average of older generations than me - I just don't think the term communicates very much. I'd bet if you looked at environment-friendly actions (or just actions that people think are 'green,' whether or not they are) you might see a different story.

I swear it's the most vaccuous talking point of the ages.

 

[Zaap]

LOL. It's funny how only unokitty has even acknowledged the actual survey. Most of the usual suspects are just babbling the usual nonsense and spin about what they imagine, rather than anything to do with the actual information.

In other words, a typical P&N thread.

 

[fskimospy]

LOL. It's funny how only unokitty has even acknowledged the actual survey. Most of the usual suspects are just babbling the usual nonsense and spin about what they imagine, rather than anything to do with the actual information.

In other words, a typical P&N thread.

Uhmm, my posts explicitly come from the data of the actual survey. Not to mention the fact that the article accurately represents its contents.

What unokitty did was take one of the only examples that showed millennials as being more 'conservative' than their predecessors and put it up. That would be one of the LEAST representative responses to the overall survey.

No surprise here that you jumped on the first thing that told you what you wanted to hear though. That's how you maintain the bubble!

 

[poofyhairguy]

Marketing. The democrats are marketing geniuses. Forget all the doom and gloom, the government offers themselves to you. Vote democrat and get your own teat!

The conservatives could be marketing geniuses too. Heck young conservative techies are the ones who BUILT services like Google, Twitter, etc. Young conservative techies are cranking out smartphone apps and designing new devices the next generation will use. Conservatives could dominate new ways of connecting to the younger audience if they could tap into this techie vein.

The problem is that thanks to the "moral majority" the conservative brand is tied too much to the religious right, which comes across as basically hate mongering to this younger techie audience. So this group which could modernize the conservative message stays apolitical or libertarian, and the Republican "social media" strategy is some 50 year old white guy tweeting the same stupid party lines to other 50 somethings that feel modern because they have twitter on their iPhones while the next generation is editing Obama photos in Snapchat.

 

[Jhhnn]

Because a lot more of them are on the dole.

Perhaps there's been some breakdown elsewhere in our trickle down economy necessitating that, or at least making it more desirable than the alternatives.

Just a thought. Don't stay in the shallow end of the pool forever.

 

[Jhhnn]

The conservatives could be marketing geniuses too. Heck young conservative techies are the ones who BUILT services like Google, Twitter, etc. Young conservative techies are cranking out smartphone apps and designing new devices the next generation will use. Conservatives could dominate new ways of connecting to the younger audience if they could tap into this techie vein.

The problem is that thanks to the "moral majority" the conservative brand is tied too much to the religious right, which comes across as basically hate mongering to this younger techie audience. So this group which could modernize the conservative message stays apolitical or libertarian, and the Republican "social media" strategy is some 50 year old white guy tweeting the same stupid party lines to other 50 somethings that feel modern because they have twitter on their iPhones while the next generation is editing Obama photos in Snapchat.

On what basis do you assert that young techie geniuses are "conservative"?

 

[blankslate]

Another thought from Winston Churchill "Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart.

Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains."

Except he never said that....
https://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/speeches/quotations/quotes-falsely-attributed

"Conservative by the time you're 35"

"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain." There is no record of anyone hearing Churchill say this. Paul Addison of Edinburgh University makes this comment: "Surely Churchill can't have used the words attributed to him. He'd been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35! And would he have talked so disrespectfully of Clemmie, who is generally thought to have been a lifelong Liberal?"

As for the living arrangements... well, when the pension system is wrecked and more people who would be eligible for retirement are working and more people in their 30's 40's and 50's are taking any job they can get.

It gets harder for younger people just starting out to find that job that in the past wasn't being also chased by people with more work experience.


As for why thy are not more conservative? Well, almost none of them listen to talk radio and in many cases bypass political commentary to go straight to the news sites. They more comfortable with technology and don't have to get their information from groups that would filter it.

I think that is one factor. And a major one.

I think that young people in general just tend to start out socially liberal even if they as an individual are more fiscally conservative as far as the government is concerned and political groups that ignore that factor.

For example, the Republican Party's focus on older voters and the socially conservative issues that appeal to those voters prevents Millennials from taking some conservative politicians seriously especially considering the vitriolic language that is used at times.


Considering that Millennials are more likely than the others to support gay rights and less likely to be especially religious the party that seemingly makes it one of their top priorities to be anti-gay and exceptionally religious...

...just shouldn't be surprised that Millennials are not voting in very high numbers for conservative candidates compared to other groups.

it's also funny how some still show only a portion of an image instead of the whole image... heh





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[momeNt]

Are these facts undisputed? Am I that off base with the rest of my generation?

 

[MrPickins]

Are these facts undisputed? Am I that off base with the rest of my generation?

What, the fact that millenials are more liberal than previous generations?

Yeah, it's pretty undisputed.

 

[MagickMan]

Perhaps there's been some breakdown elsewhere in our trickle down economy necessitating that, or at least making it more desirable than the alternatives.

Just a thought. Don't stay in the shallow end of the pool forever.

A typical ad hominem from the worst partisan imbecile...

Oh please, food stamps aren't the only kind of 'dole.' The mortgage write-off on your taxes is welfare. The food subsidies keeping food prices low is welfare. Gas is cheaper here than much of the world in part because of subsidies aka welfare. Everyone is a "taker." Virtually everyone is a "maker." The whole "liberals just want free stuff" meme is so absurd and delusional.''

and a boot-load of false equivalence and justification for system abuse.

Yep, I knocked that one clear out of the park. :awe:


Edit: It's too bad they didn't ask the other generations about Millennials being self-centered twats. I'm sure that would have received an affirmative response in the 80-90% range.

 

[MrPickins]

and a boot-load of false equivalence and justification for system abuse.

From my libertarian leaning viewpoint, those aren't false equivalences at all. Bailouts, farm subsidies, welfare, it's pretty much all the same.

 

[poofyhairguy]

On what basis do you assert that young techie geniuses are "conservative"?

Well some certainly are. Do you deny that some are?

The core basis for my comment is Mr. Facebook himself:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/peninsula&id=8991652

But the facts show that Silicon Valley is the home to many non-social conservatives:

http://valleywag.gawker.com/silicon-valley-named-13th-best-conservative-city-in-ame-1458838034

Turns out that when you get successful, build innovative products and make a lot of money, suddenly the conservative ideals of lower taxes, less regulation, and less government sounds interesting.

I get most are not that way:

http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/...ley-and-gop-republicans-nurturing-false-hopes

But even if 80%+ percent of silicon valley votes Democrat the 20% left over still represents more social networking and technology talent than every other resource the Republican Party can touch put together.

Ron Paul has made waves online because he has tapped into this talent previously. The reason is his stance on issues connects with tech talent that is not enamored by the democratic party.

 

[Retro Rob]

So far as the actual topic, I'd say that millennials are more liberal because of the information age. We have more access to information with more sources for that information than in our entire history. And historically, the more educated you are with the more access to information that you have, the more liberal you are. You have to be ignorant to be conservative.

Are you saying conservatives don't take advantage of the information age?

Perhaps liberals are more gullible for that very reason and believe bull**** that's plastered all over the internet, and therefore, are more suspicious and untrusting of everything. Secondly, its extremely easy to be ignorant since the "information age" allows folks to search for and find information that already agrees with preconceived views therefore reinforcing them instead of being forced to challenge them.

How can that be a good thing, particularly with places like Wikipedia where information can be manipulated by virtually anyone with a smart phone?

Sure, the information age serves a great purpose, but it isn't the holy grail of society and must be handled responsibly.

 

[norseamd]

Ron Paul has made waves online because he has tapped into this talent previously. The reason is his stance on issues connects with tech talent that is not enamored by the democratic party.

and also because he preaches libertarian ideas

 

[blankslate]

Are these facts undisputed? Am I that off base with the rest of my generation?

As far as on social issues in general, according to the Pew research poll they are more liberal than other groups on a couple of issues.

Religion and Gay rights.

doesn't mean that they wouldn't vote for republicans if they weren't so hellbent on taking the exact opposite stance from many millenials on those social issues.

There are probably many millenials who are more on the conservative or middle of the road side of fiscal issues.

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[poofyhairguy]

and also because he preaches libertarian ideas

Which have been proven to be about the only conservative ideals popular with millennials.

 

[blankslate]

Sure, the information age serves a great purpose, but it isn't the holy grail of society and must be handled responsibly.

It just means that traditional media that has had a strong hold on opinion, such as talk radio and even tv news doesn't hold as much sway as before. That isn't a necessarily bad thing either, because talk radio is pretty much just as echo chamber.


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[norseamd]

Which have been proven to be about the only conservative ideals popular with millennials.

they are not conservative at all

there is a diamond political map somewhere.

libertarianism is opposite authoritarianism. conservatism is opposite liberalism. conservatives are authoratarian on social issues and libertarian for economic issues. the liberals are libertarian on social issues and authoritarian on economic issues.

not a definitive map by any means but a somewhat more thoughtful one then left vs right

 

[momeNt]

Which have been proven to be about the only conservative ideals popular with millennials.

Ron Paul is more of a constitutionalist than a libertarian. He is able to have liberal views on things like abortion and gay marriage by hiding behind state's rights, but I don't think he'd support abortion in his own state, maybe not even gay marriage, but I'm not sure about that.