Why are liberals for CARS and conservatives against it?

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: piasabird
However, I could not use the program because I dont own a gas guzzler. My car is about 10 years old and gets 21 MPG. I would call it a clunker but I am penalized for buying a small sedan and saving money on gas. Thats the breaks.

That's the other thing about this program which burns me - since I opted to make an intelligent, responsible choice 12 years ago and buy a non-gas-guzzler, my truck which I'd like to replace does not qualify, but those who opted to buy gas-guzzlers are in fact being rewarded. As with mortgage bailout plans, the intelligent are being taxed to reward the stupid.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Republicans would rather spend money on Iraq and not on the American people.

Not to mention the 221 Democrats who voted for more Iraq funds in June

I know, I know. Details.

lol its so sad that flamers like barney always forget that the democrats control, the house, senate and POTUS and still think the the republicans are running the war...

GOP hasnt run the war since 2006 lol

yes i know, im just pointing out the people like barney are so blinded by that fact that they will not accept that their party is now the war mongers. lol

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
This forum is full of leftist lunatics who love to hear themselves talk. They'll never tire of it. I think a lot of them have severe personality disorders.

and you are better how?

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: BoberFett
This forum is full of leftist lunatics who love to hear themselves talk. They'll never tire of it. I think a lot of them have severe personality disorders.

and you are better how?

Lower post count. Even if what he says is drivel, at least there's less of it.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: BoberFett
This forum is full of leftist lunatics who love to hear themselves talk. They'll never tire of it. I think a lot of them have severe personality disorders.

and you are better how?

Lower post count. Even if what he says is drivel, at least there's less of it.

Hey just because you need assistance to post is no reason to get all jealous.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: BoberFett
This forum is full of leftist lunatics who love to hear themselves talk. They'll never tire of it. I think a lot of them have severe personality disorders.

and you are better how?

The fact that he isn't a leftist lunatic troll like you?

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: BoberFett
This forum is full of leftist lunatics who love to hear themselves talk. They'll never tire of it. I think a lot of them have severe personality disorders.

and you are better how?

Lower post count. Even if what he says is drivel, at least there's less of it.

Hey just because you need assistance to post is no reason to get all jealous.

I don't need assistance - I just have a job.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: BoberFett
This forum is full of leftist lunatics who love to hear themselves talk. They'll never tire of it. I think a lot of them have severe personality disorders.

and you are better how?

The fact that he isn't a leftist lunatic troll like you?

Ya, he's just a Troll. Much better!

 

[Drift3r]

The program is just flawed and appeals to those who like feel good politics but don't like looking at the dirt being swept underneath the policy itself. I think a lot of folks here have legitimately addressed why this program sucks.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: BoberFett
This forum is full of leftist lunatics who love to hear themselves talk. They'll never tire of it. I think a lot of them have severe personality disorders.

and you are better how?

The fact that he isn't a leftist lunatic troll like you?

Ya, he's just a Troll. Much better!

BoberFett's post actually contain content. Sure, they contain jabs now and then, but they have some substance. Dave just does drive-by's to elicit a reaction. In other words, Dave does what he does to get attention.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: BoberFett
This forum is full of leftist lunatics who love to hear themselves talk. They'll never tire of it. I think a lot of them have severe personality disorders.

and you are better how?

The fact that he isn't a leftist lunatic troll like you?

Ya, he's just a Troll. Much better!

Come on Sandorski -- you know better. Bober's posts are often humorous, yes, but he also has some good thought behind most of his points. Dave, on the other hand, makes ridiculous accusations, absurd "predictions," and then when something happens, inevitably claims he predicted it. When asked for facts, Dave will insult you and run away.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
The program is just flawed and appeals to those who like feel good politics but don't like looking at the dirt being swept underneath the policy itself. I think a lot of folks here have legitimately addressed why this program sucks.

legitimately addressed why this program sucks?

in THIS thread?

no. Actually what we have are partisans pulling excuses out of their butts as to why they think this program sucks

1. Mechanics lose business
2. Charities lose business
3. I guess people are spending money on cars that they dont need
4. Price of cars goes up (huh?)
5. Added $3 billion to the deficit :music: bullllshhhiiitittttt :music:

all bullshit. Nothing LEGITMATE to back up any of those claims....

smoke and mirrors.

 

[Pens1566]

You left out my favorite : "What about the working poor???"

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: BoberFett
This forum is full of leftist lunatics who love to hear themselves talk. They'll never tire of it. I think a lot of them have severe personality disorders.

and you are better how?

The fact that he isn't a leftist lunatic troll like you?

Ya, he's just a Troll. Much better!

Yeah, I troll P&N, because that's best thing to do here. There's no intelligent conversation, least of all from you.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: bozack
You are using taxpayer money to put people who really cannot afford new cars into them and in the process destroying perfectly good cars, wonder if they will have a bailout plan for the people who buy these cars when they can't make payments?

or they form a car market bubble. But demand for new cars has been surpressed a while, so this may just lead back to normal sales.

Current projections this year are just over 9,000,000. The new re-adjusted normal is 13,000,000+. The peak had 16,000,000 sales. The numbers are from my company's CEO, FWIW. This will not spur 13,000,000 car sales and there is quit a bit of pent up demand (again, per CEO).

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Drift3r
The program is just flawed and appeals to those who like feel good politics but don't like looking at the dirt being swept underneath the policy itself. I think a lot of folks here have legitimately addressed why this program sucks.

legitimately addressed why this program sucks?

in THIS thread?

no. Actually what we have are partisans pulling excuses out of their butts as to why they think this program sucks

1. Mechanics lose business
2. Charities lose business
3. I guess people are spending money on cars that they dont need
4. Price of cars goes up (huh?)
5. Added $3 billion to the deficit :music: bullllshhhiiitittttt :music:

all bullshit. Nothing LEGITMATE to back up any of those claims....

smoke and mirrors.

What was the intended purpose of this program? Oh and you haven't countered any of their points with any meaningful rebuttal. You just gave a knee jerk response and nothing else.

 

[piasabird]

O'Bamma's plan is to reward people who burn too much gasoline? Cant Fix Stupid.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Drift3r
The program is just flawed and appeals to those who like feel good politics but don't like looking at the dirt being swept underneath the policy itself. I think a lot of folks here have legitimately addressed why this program sucks.

legitimately addressed why this program sucks?

in THIS thread?

no. Actually what we have are partisans pulling excuses out of their butts as to why they think this program sucks

1. Mechanics lose business
2. Charities lose business
3. I guess people are spending money on cars that they dont need
4. Price of cars goes up (huh?)
5. Added $3 billion to the deficit :music: bullllshhhiiitittttt :music:

all bullshit. Nothing LEGITMATE to back up any of those claims....

smoke and mirrors.

What was the intended purpose of this program? Oh and you haven't countered any of their points with any meaningful rebuttal. You just gave a knee jerk response and nothing else.

the intended purpose of the program was to attract auto buyers with a rebate. duh.

A meaningful rebuttal? why should I put any effort into rebutting a fantasy that was essentially pulled out of someone's ass? pulllease, no thanks.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Republicans would rather spend money on Iraq and not on the American people.

Not to mention the 221 Democrats who voted for more Iraq funds in June

I know, I know. Details.

lol its so sad that flamers like barney always forget that the democrats control, the house, senate and POTUS and still think the the republicans are running the war...

GOP hasnt run the war since 2006 lol

And what was the percentage / number of Dems in congress that attempted to prevent funding of Iraq before then when funding bills were voted on?

 

[MrMatt]

I think conservatives are against it because it entails government spending that's not neccesarily needed. Here's how they could've fixed it: Instead of destroying the cars, sell them back to poor and working class families at a steep discount. Then poor families get reliable transportation AND you recoup some of the program cost

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Drift3r
The program is just flawed and appeals to those who like feel good politics but don't like looking at the dirt being swept underneath the policy itself. I think a lot of folks here have legitimately addressed why this program sucks.

legitimately addressed why this program sucks?

in THIS thread?

no. Actually what we have are partisans pulling excuses out of their butts as to why they think this program sucks

1. Mechanics lose business
2. Charities lose business
3. I guess people are spending money on cars that they dont need
4. Price of cars goes up (huh?)
5. Added $3 billion to the deficit :music: bullllshhhiiitittttt :music:

all bullshit. Nothing LEGITMATE to back up any of those claims....

smoke and mirrors.

What was the intended purpose of this program? Oh and you haven't countered any of their points with any meaningful rebuttal. You just gave a knee jerk response and nothing else.

the intended purpose of the program was to attract auto buyers with a rebate. duh.

A meaningful rebuttal? why should I put any effort into rebutting a fantasy that was essentially pulled out of someone's ass? pulllease, no thanks.

The above list shows the impact of the program.

Is the change in EPA and the amount of new vehicles pushed off the lot worth the impact?
You have the government again spending money that is not going to create jobs. Even if all the vehicles were US made, it is drawing down a surplus, not increasing manufacturing demand.

You have people taking on debt that they might not have done so. that is one of the reasons, the economy started to tank.

The value of the market for vehicles (new & used) is being manipulated.
Those that can not afford new vehicles are having the cost to them for a used vehicle being manipulated.

The vehicles that were being traded in for destruction were the ones below $4500. If they were being destroyed, they would be going to the action lot and returned to the used car lots at 2/3 the value.

Those are the same vehicle that the working poor buy at $100/wk at the local used auto lot.

Working engines are being destroyed that could replace blown engines. Drives up the cost of recycled and remanufactured engines.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Working engines are being destroyed that could replace blown engines.

Drives up the cost of recycled and remanufactured engines.

I have never used a junk yard engine.

Always re-built my engines myself.