why are gamecubes available for download?

[LordSnailz]

any reason why these games are being offered in warez sites? I think it was posted here that it was possible to rip the games but no way of burning them. Why post them?

 

[Nohr]

There is an emulator in the works, I know that much.

 

[Jetblade]

There is a way to burn them.

 

[Kyteland]

Just because you can't do it now, doesn't mean that you'll never be able to.

 

[royaldank]

It is possible to play many games now. A week or two ago, a hole in Phantasy Star Online was discovered. You actually stream the games off your computer at this point through the broadband adapter. No way to burn them currently, and it's not rock solid. The memory card is giving them problems because its being used for code.

There are rumours going around tons of boards that Nintendo has completely halted the BB adapter and PSO sales and production. Neither will see the light of day again according to Nintendo. I remind you, this is a rumour at this point as no offical press release has been found or actual quotes.

EDIT: Not sure if the stopping BB is true since that is something they really want for Mario Kart. However, many people seem to think it's true.

 

[WobbleWobble]

Originally posted by: royaldank
It is possible to play many games now. A week or two ago, a hole in Phantasy Star Online was discovered. You actually stream the games off your computer at this point through the broadband adapter. No way to burn them currently, and it's not rock solid. The memory card is giving them problems because its being used for code.

There are rumours going around tons of boards that Nintendo has completely halted the BB adapter and PSO sales and production. Neither will see the light of day again according to Nintendo. I remind you, this is a rumour at this point as no offical press release has been found or actual quotes.

EDIT: Not sure if the stopping BB is true since that is something they really want for Mario Kart. However, many people seem to think it's true.

This is correct.

And the BB adapter isn't available anywhere anymore... not where I looked at least. I'm thinking Nintendo will release a new version of it.

 

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: royaldank
It is possible to play many games now. A week or two ago, a hole in Phantasy Star Online was discovered. You actually stream the games off your computer at this point through the broadband adapter. No way to burn them currently, and it's not rock solid. The memory card is giving them problems because its being used for code.

There are rumours going around tons of boards that Nintendo has completely halted the BB adapter and PSO sales and production. Neither will see the light of day again according to Nintendo. I remind you, this is a rumour at this point as no offical press release has been found or actual quotes.

EDIT: Not sure if the stopping BB is true since that is something they really want for Mario Kart. However, many people seem to think it's true.

The PSO exploit was released on June 16, 2003 and a quite large homebrew software scene has blossomed since.

See http://www.dextrose.com or http://www.gcdev.com

The rumored BBA cancelation makes sense as the only game announced to use it (Other than PSO) is Mario Kart, but it is just a rumor from a forum thread on Dextrose without a shred of proof. I asked a guy at Electronics Boutique today and he said he has received nothing about it or PSO from corporate (He spent a good bit of time digging through a folder with that kind of information).

The memory card exploit is in the "proof of concept" stage and still requires PSO at least once. You basically use the PSO exploit to save a HUGE "cheat code" on the Action Replay's memory card. Because the Action Replay edits memory values at memory addresses, when you load the Action Replay and enable the cheat, you are actually writing over a portion of memory with your network bootloader which can then load code of your choice.

BTW, try ordering from store.nintendo.com and see if they cancel your order with the first official news of its cancellation or processes it and squelch the rumor.

 

[royaldank]

Didn't realize the hole was discovered so long ago. I does look as if the new loader just came out enabling more games (it was just Animal Xing and homebrew).

Some pretty interesting stuff. I wouldn't mind looking at some of the dev tools. I'm assuming the GC is a somewhat easy format to program for. Just by the looks of many of their games, I'm assuming they have a fairly large library of routines and objects.

I haven't ever looked for the BB adaptor. I might try a few stores around here this weekend. I'd like to see what the homebrew stuff is like and where it's all headed.

 

[QueHuong]

About how large are those ROMs? And what's the capacity of a regular GCN disc?

 

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: royaldank
Didn't realize the hole was discovered so long ago. I does look as if the new loader just came out enabling more games (it was just Animal Xing and homebrew).

Some pretty interesting stuff. I wouldn't mind looking at some of the dev tools. I'm assuming the GC is a somewhat easy format to program for. Just by the looks of many of their games, I'm assuming they have a fairly large library of routines and objects.

I haven't ever looked for the BB adaptor. I might try a few stores around here this weekend. I'd like to see what the homebrew stuff is like and where it's all headed.

Despite the long utilized backdoor, the Animal Crossing loader has only been available for 6 days. It's brand new and yet four days ago it was updated to v1.1 enable more games...

I remember the exploding homebrew coding scene for the N64... Dextrose was IT back then! I still have all my N64 back-up / development hardware

Originally posted by: MindStorm
About how large are those ROMs? And what's the capacity of a regular GCN disc?

Probably shouldn't call them ROMs. ROMs usually refer to data dumped from the Read Only Memory chips of a game cartridge. Yes, a DVD-ROM is called "ROM" for the same reason, but having the contents of a disc dumped to a file on the drive is properly called a "disc image" or commonly but improperly called an "ISO" The disc holds ap. 1.5GB. As for the size of the individual releases, so far the creators have kept their utilities private and unreleased so they have always been able to ensure that their release gets distributed. This information is always included in a "NFO" file with the release. This NFO information has been customary for warez providers and other power user circles since long before the N64 days. News sites typically provide the NFO with sensitive information removed (CD Keys, registration info, etc). Dextrose was the site to follow for the latest N64 releases but so far it isn't getting much to work with from the GC scene. People knew to submit NFO's to Dextrose TO produce their release lest it be counted as a dupe and forgotten by all. It seems that other sites have already gained this privelidge.

http://www.dextrose.com/
http://www.nforce.nl/
http://www.console-news.org/

Also, see http://www.gcdev.com/

Originally posted by: LordSnailz
any reason why these games are being offered in warez sites? I think it was posted here that it was possible to rip the games but no way of burning them. Why post them?

I remember when I was playing unreleased ROMs on my N64 using a commercially manufactured back-up unit... People were asking the same question about N64 ROMs, except they asked "Why, when there are no working N64 emulators?" This was WAY before UltraHLE

 

[royaldank]

Bump for the night crowd.

Also, it seems like the BB adapter is only 10 instead of 100 Mbps. This is posing somewhat of a problem. Seems cutscenes and some audio will stutter or become fragmented. I bet the N folks are really happy it's only 10Mbps. This creates slightly longer (some cases much longer) load times as well.

 

[CZroe]

Indeed, bandwidth is a problem but any redirection to the serial port means faster dedicated hardware is possible. A custom high-speed port device may be next once the Gameboy Player boot disc is reverse engineered.

 

[MangoTBG]

Hehe. I wish I saw this thread before I did all the research on my own! Doh!


An to think....I sold, what? My BBA!!!! Yay! Atleast I still have PSO hanging around, somewhere.

Oh, also sold my GC Major Doh!

I'm happy with my PC gaming, for now. My hacked xbox got old quick.

 

Wow i should get a GC just so i can steal games.....

 

[draggoon01]

i wonder if this will be good for the console like ps1 or bad like dreamcast

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: draggoon01
i wonder if this will be good for the console like ps1 or bad like dreamcast

what are you talking about? Dreamcast > all. Hell, Half Life is on Dreamcast along with every emulator you can think of from nintendo, to SNES, to N64, to MAME, to PS1

 

[draggoon01]

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: draggoon01
i wonder if this will be good for the console like ps1 or bad like dreamcast

what are you talking about? Dreamcast > all. Hell, Half Life is on Dreamcast along with every emulator you can think of from nintendo, to SNES, to N64, to MAME, to PS1

because of the incredible ease of downloading pirated games, piracy was harmful to dreamcast (you didn't even need a mod chip. just burn and play).

i'm not talking about console quality, i'm talking about effects of piracy (including the warez/emulators/roms you mentioned)

 

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: Nohr
There is an emulator in the works, I know that much.

See some video of it here (Not real time video, the frame rate was sped up for asthetics)
Edit: Grrr. Their site forwards you to the main page when you didn't browse to the video and it's about to get pushed off the news page. Well, you guys can find it (Wed, Oct 15th)
Yes, that is the real Zelda Wind Waker introduction with extremely glitchy graphics

How could GC emulation be so close on the heels of XBOX emulation when the XBOX is built on an architecture that everyone and their grandma has reversed and cloned?!

Originally posted by: Phocas
Wow i should get a GC just so i can steal games.....

This coming from a guy who lives in a million-dollar house (Yes, that bit will transcend threads!)

Originally posted by: draggoon01

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: draggoon01
i wonder if this will be good for the console like ps1 or bad like dreamcast

what are you talking about? Dreamcast > all. Hell, Half Life is on Dreamcast along with every emulator you can think of from nintendo, to SNES, to N64, to MAME, to PS1

because of the incredible ease of downloading pirated games, piracy was harmful to dreamcast (you didn't even need a mod chip. just burn and play).

i'm not talking about console quality, i'm talking about effects of piracy (including the warez/emulators/roms you mentioned)

He's not talking about console quality either, though I knew what you were talking about to begin with

He's talking about the homebrew software scene and saying that it brought alot more unintended abilities to the DC than any other console. Of course, the XBOX has more software by now but an awful lot of that was intended (MS may make a PVR device in the redesigned version, MS is making jukebox and kiddie sing-a-long software, XBOX Live! was intended to demonstrate expandability without modification, etc etc).

Dreamcast had Linux first

 

[draggoon01]

Originally posted by: CZroe
http://www.vg-network.com/download.php?get=files/console/dolphin_zelda_intro3.avi

Originally posted by: Phocas
Wow i should get a GC just so i can steal games.....

This coming from a guy who lives in a million-dollar house (Yes, that bit will transcend threads!)

Originally posted by: draggoon01

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: draggoon01
i wonder if this will be good for the console like ps1 or bad like dreamcast

what are you talking about? Dreamcast > all. Hell, Half Life is on Dreamcast along with every emulator you can think of from nintendo, to SNES, to N64, to MAME, to PS1

because of the incredible ease of downloading pirated games, piracy was harmful to dreamcast (you didn't even need a mod chip. just burn and play).

i'm not talking about console quality, i'm talking about effects of piracy (including the warez/emulators/roms you mentioned)

He's not talking about console quality either, though I knew what you were talking about to begin with

He's talking about the homebrew software scene and saying that it brought alot more unintended abilities to the DC than any other console. Of course, the XBOX has more software by now but an awful lot of that was intended (MS may make a PVR device in the redesigned version, MS is making jukebox and kiddie sing-a-long software, XBOX Live! was intended to demonstrate expandability without modification, etc etc).

Dreamcast had Linux first

those dreamcast things, many or all of which are illegal, were more prominent on dreamcast because it didn't require modchip. any xbox mods or uninteded software require a mod chip. that made a big difference for dreamcast in how many casual gamers became pirates. this became clear as the software attach rate for consoles sold was unusally low for dreamcast compared to other consoles. msft has a high attach rate, which beat ps2 even in it's first year, i don't know about currently.

so i'm wondering first, how well the piracy for gamecube will work out. and depending on how easy it is, the affect it will have on the console. even if it requires a mod chip or connection to PC, at $99, there may be a higher than usual rate of piracy, which would be extremely bad for gamecube at this point in time.

 

[brxndxn]

My friend has left his gamecube here for a few months now (don't think he plans on taking it back) and we only ever play Smash Brothers. I have a computer hooked up to my entertainment center just a few feet away with an unused nic in it. I also just got a dvd burner..

What's something neato I can do with the gamecube right now? I like 'projects' and spending time to make them work more than I like playing the actual games. I would rather do something other than pirate games (since I don't care enough to play them anyway).. Is there a SETI hack for GC yet?

 

[CZroe]

Well, there's a load of homebrew software, but alot of it may have been made with illegal devkits using Nintendo libraries. Many aren't, but most sites err on the side of caution and don't allow any downloads (News only). Other things blatantly rip Nintendo software for modification, like the GC N64 server uses Nintendo's N64 emulation software ripped from the Zelda bonus disc. I'd say that's OK if you own the Nintendo bonus disc, but MS and Nintendo would have you believe that any modification of anything copyrighted even for personal use is illegal (It's only illegal if you agreed to their illegal EUL agreements).

It won't be long before things settle down and all the cool free legal stuff gets easier to obtain.

Here's a good link conglomerate:

http://www.freelink.org/gcdev