Why are Dems so afraid of Challenging Trump?

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SlowSpyder

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Why? Have you met any Trump supporters? They are infatuated with him. He doesn't have to do much to get them to vote. Many of them have replaced Christ with Trump. They will vote for him with or without impeachment.


You're missing the point. It isn't hardened Trump supporters that might become more for Trump, but the optics of this all blowing up in the Democrats' faces may push votes over to him by those that are more moderate. So, from my perspective, there is a reason I keep cheering the Democrats and their next big witch hunt. They've routinely run into deadends but keep doubling down. Funny how many of you bite with every new *this is the one!* push the left makes. NPCs only know how to do what they're coded to do, though.
 

glenn1

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Why? Have you met any Trump supporters? They are infatuated with him. He doesn't have to do much to get them to vote. Many of them have replaced Christ with Trump. They will vote for him with or without impeachment.

His base support isn't enough to get him re-elected. This is about the swing voters and weak Dems who voted Trump as a "burn it down" protest in 2016 or just thought Hillary was also not really suitable for POTUS either.
 

SlowSpyder

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At least you admit they're the real do-nothing party.

Just look at the Senate the last year. They probably have to send the janitor in every couple weeks to get rid of the crickets.


No more than you admit that the Democrats are the party of net negativity on society.
 

Bumrush99

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You're missing the point. It isn't hardened Trump supporters that might become more for Trump, but the optics of this all blowing up in the Democrats' faces may push votes over to him by those that are more moderate. So, from my perspective, there is a reason I keep cheering the Democrats and their next big witch hunt. They've routinely run into deadends but keep doubling down. Funny how many of you bite with every new *this is the one!* push the left makes. NPCs only know how to do what they're coded to do, though.
The optics of a sitting President, on record, shaking down a foreign leader to dig up dirt on a political rival is going to backfire? 3 years removed from election interference and Russian troll campaign?

What universe do you live in? Bring it the fuck on. Some of the RHINO's you shiver about may vote in unison to remove this criminal douchebag. He's going down. He may actually negotiate a deal to go out a big winner..
 

SlowSpyder

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The optics of a sitting President, on record, shaking down a foreign leader to dig up dirt on a political rival is going to backfire? 3 years removed from election interference and Russian troll campaign?

What universe do you live in? Bring it the fuck on. Some of the RHINO's you shiver about may vote in unison to remove this criminal douchebag.


But he really didn't do that. He acted no different than admins before him did.
 

Bumrush99

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But he really didn't do that. He acted no different than admins before him did.
Suuure he didn't.. I'm also sure that all other admins before him had the cabinet turnover he had, had the amount of indictments and jail sentences imposed that "only the best people" had, and also paid off hookers hush money.

Keep your head buried in the sand. It's not long before this Trump era ends. Sooner than you probably think. He'll likely whimper back to one of his Trump branded projects in Moscow with his tail behind his legs. You can follow him there.
 
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Jhhnn

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Suuure he didn't.. I'm also sure that all other admins before him had the cabinet turnover he had, had the amount of indictments and jail sentences imposed that "only the best people" had, and also paid off hookers hush money.

Keep your head buried in the sand. It's not long before this Trump era ends. Sooner than you probably think. He'll likely whimper back to one of his Trump branded projects in Moscow with his tail behind his legs. You can follow him there.

Slow isn't a real person. He's a propaganda construct.
 

brandonbull

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The optics of a sitting President, on record, shaking down a foreign leader to dig up dirt on a political rival is going to backfire? 3 years removed from election interference and Russian troll campaign?

What universe do you live in? Bring it the fuck on. Some of the RHINO's you shiver about may vote in unison to remove this criminal douchebag. He's going down. He may actually negotiate a deal to go out a big winner..
Produce the facts where Trump is asking for political dirt. I will give it to the Dems on them trying to spin the Ukraine wanting to investigate Hunter Biden as Trump looking for political dirt on a rival. That has about the same chance of sticking as an ice cube does on a vertical nonstick wall.
 

Roger Wilco

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Also, to answer your thread title more directly, the Democrats are afraid of Trump because Democrats are not doers, they're whiners. When the Democrats, RINOs, the leftist fake news media, and Hollywood all tried to take on Trump at once, he still beat them. That kind of utter beat down leaves a mark, this is where TDS is born from.

It seems like the only thing Trump actually beat was the electoral college. In the long term, he will be the most destructive force the GOP has ever inflicted on itself. I think many future-thinking Dems are quite happy to let Trump do their work for them.
 
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Bumrush99

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Produce the facts where Trump is asking for political dirt. I will give it to the Dems on them trying to spin the Ukraine wanting to investigate Hunter Biden as Trump looking for political dirt on a rival. That has about the same chance of sticking as an ice cube does on a vertical nonstick wall.
LMFAO. The attorney general BURIED the whistleblower complaint and they have not released the full transcript of the call.
Big man on campus Trump also gave in and released the report and the redacted transcript. He knows what's coming.

Now ask yourself this, if Obama or Clinton did the same thing to your desired Presidential candidate whose probably Carlson Tucker, would you be defending them?

Think about that for a second, Russian Troll.
 
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Produce the facts where Trump is asking for political dirt. I will give it to the Dems on them trying to spin the Ukraine wanting to investigate Hunter Biden as Trump looking for political dirt on a rival. That has about the same chance of sticking as an ice cube does on a vertical nonstick wall.
Because there is no connection between Joe Biden and his son. Trump also asked for information on Crowdstrike going back to the Hillary buttery emails again.

You really are a moron
 

Jhhnn

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Produce the facts where Trump is asking for political dirt. I will give it to the Dems on them trying to spin the Ukraine wanting to investigate Hunter Biden as Trump looking for political dirt on a rival. That has about the same chance of sticking as an ice cube does on a vertical nonstick wall.

What other purpose would be served by inducing Ukraine to dig up or fabricate dirt on Hunter Biden? The answer is none.
 

VRAMdemon

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The accusations against the Bidens are ridiculous. The prosecutor (Shokin) was investigating an oligarch that owned the company that Hunter Biden eventually worked with.

But the issue was that the prosecutor WASNT honestly investigating the guy.

The owner of the company (Zlochevsky) was accused of embezzling 23 million dollars from the Ukrainian people. These funds were seized by the U.K. and being held there. The US was involved in trying to get the money returned to the Ukrainian people.The corrupt prosecutor took actions that resulted in the stolen money being returned to the accused embezzler. This pissed off the U.K and the US. These were the actions that started the international pressure that resulted in Shokin being fired.

So it’s actually the opposite of what Trump was suggesting. The corrupt prosecutor was helping Zlochevsky, not “going after him”. There’s no real evidence linking Biden and Zlochevsky, who had fled the country before Biden started working in the Ukraine.
 
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hal2kilo

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And Trump committed his latest crime the day after Mueller testified. The slightest stress makes this guy self destruct.
Stress no. He and Barr, and his Fox News minions did a number on Mueller report. Trump thinking he got off, figures he's free to do what ever he wants. He can't help himself, he's corrupt to the core.
 

hal2kilo

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Produce the facts where Trump is asking for political dirt. I will give it to the Dems on them trying to spin the Ukraine wanting to investigate Hunter Biden as Trump looking for political dirt on a rival. That has about the same chance of sticking as an ice cube does on a vertical nonstick wall.
I guess after Sylinsky asked about needing Javelin missles, and Trump immediately asking for a favor to dig up dirt on the Bidens isn't "asking for political dirt" doesn't mean what it means. I know Russian is your first language but it's quite clear if you understand the English language.
 
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Vic

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Because when impeachment fails it very well could turn people sympathetic towards Trump, make moderates feel he is a victim of fake news and political witch hunts. Liberals have no understanding of humanity, no perspective. Got to give her credit, Pelosi is playing it smart, but all feels no logic liberals only know how to keep the tantrum rolling.

As usual, your argument is all emotion, lies, namecalling, and butthurt feels, without a trace of facts or logic.
 
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Vic

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Produce the facts where Trump is asking for political dirt. I will give it to the Dems on them trying to spin the Ukraine wanting to investigate Hunter Biden as Trump looking for political dirt on a rival. That has about the same chance of sticking as an ice cube does on a vertical nonstick wall.
Why don't you "do us a favor" and fuck off?
 

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I don't know why you guys waste keystrokes on these two.ignore.png
 
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Bumrush99

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As usual, your argument is all emotion, lies, namecalling, and butthurt feels, without a trace of facts or logic.
I swear, a majority of Trump supporters that I know engage in these same tactics.. It's mass hysteria / psychosis. They speak and defend Herr Trump like zombies walk around in the Walking Dead.
 

Jhhnn

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Produce the facts where Trump is asking for political dirt. I will give it to the Dems on them trying to spin the Ukraine wanting to investigate Hunter Biden as Trump looking for political dirt on a rival. That has about the same chance of sticking as an ice cube does on a vertical nonstick wall.

So dishonest. It's not what Ukraine wants but what Trump wants. Ukraine just wants to stay on his good side.
 
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Produce the facts where Trump is asking for political dirt. I will give it to the Dems on them trying to spin the Ukraine wanting to investigate Hunter Biden as Trump looking for political dirt on a rival. That has about the same chance of sticking as an ice cube does on a vertical nonstick wall.

Define facts because the transcript looks pretty clear to me