Why are americans up in arms over 2 year free college? we give more to arabs?

[Omar F1]

We give Jordan 1 billion a year in free money/aid to help them out, and 1.5 billion to Pakistan.

Because doing so is a much cheaper way to stabilize the region, rather than the cost of invasion if someday deemed necessary. (heard Iraq cost was running 5 billion/month during 2003-05)

Remember it's just matter of interests, nothing more or less, and US/Europe got an important one to protect over here, beside the oil industry.
It worked for decades, definitely a successful strategy.

 

[ivwshane]

Gotta love how righties are willing to invest in other nations before their own!

Righties-
Invest in education? It won't do anything!

Invest in countries in the Middle East? Well that's bringing stability to a region!


Man I wish stupidity was a crime

 

[pcgeek11]

I don't believe it is "Americans" opposed to this college education thing.
It is "republicans" opposed to this college education thing.

Investing in education is always a huge plus for any society.
Not a give away, but an investment. An investment with a high rate of return.

But the very idea of giving and helping the middle class and lower class, and more so minorities of the two classes, with a shot at an education is abhorrant concept for republicans.
Educated people tend to vote, and tend to stay informed. And name one republican would want that nightmare scenario?
They bitch about it, about the "takers" of society, but republicans are quite content with the poor staying poor, uneducated, and happily accepting government handouts to ensure they remain that way.
Don't be fooled by the fools. They demand this class separation.
The wealthy vs the poor.
And everything republicans do in congress, EVERYTHING, is done to ensure that class separation.
The money is there, plenty of money, but republicans insist on giving the money to the wealthy of society. And with no return on that investment. Simply a giveaway.
But we all know that all too well, now don't we?

I have two words for you B.S.

Anyone that has raised children would or should know that when you work for something you want you will take better care to get the worth out of it. When everything is handed out freely they don't think squat about it, heck it was free.

I don't have an issue with helping someone get what they want as long as they are wanting to put some effort into it and have some skin in the game.

Free handouts over and over get you nowhere.

 

[nickqt]

Free handouts over and over get you nowhere.

Tell that to the majority of people who get rich the old fashioned way - through inheritance.

 

[sandorski]

It's a round about solution. Specifically the free CC for 2 years being a solution to cost of education problems in the USA.


Why not just make it more affordable? CC costs have been creeping up a lot over the past decade. Let communities, states, cities raise taxes or shift funds to better cover local CC costs for students.

10 bux a unit should be the goal IMO, but let local government decide how much they will help and incentise here. Price should not be free, and certainly this is not something to be implemented by our federal government.


-Milton Friedman


Anyways, there is no free. It's a bad idea and it's misleading, Obozo is right in his wheelhouse here. I like'd him better when he championed min wage raises, which he is now infuriatingly quiet on. Mechanism for wealth creation at this point in time is best served by raising min wage (and to >$10.10).

Doesn't providing $xbillions make it more Affordable?

What's the alternative, implementing Post Secondary Price Controls?

 

[pcgeek11]

Gotta love how righties are willing to invest in other nations before their own!

No more "All Righties" than "All Lefties"... Your blanket statement is wrong. I lean right and I do not have any desire to fund Other Nations. I say we cut off all the free money to these nations and let them earn assistance by showing the desire to better themselves. Then fund based on their support.

Righties- Invest in education? It won't do anything!

Look at how much money is getting flushed down the toilet in schools now. Throwing money at something doesn't fix it. The problem with education is people going to school that have no idea what they want to do, but are just going and running up massive debt for no good reason other than they Think they should go to college to party. Then the reality hits them in the face when they graduate.

So now they want to give students that still have no idea what they want to do two free years of party time to make up their minds. That is stupid. And by your wishes below they would be in prison.

Invest in countries in the Middle East? Well that's bringing stability to a region!

Man I wish stupidity was a crime

That dump of a region has never been stable. Ever. You cannot buy allies. Just by the fact that they can be bought tells you that.

If stupidity was a crime most of Washington DC would be in jail.

 

[pcgeek11]

Tell that to the majority of people who get rich the old fashioned way - through inheritance.

Inheritance has nothing to do with this.

 

[nickqt]

Look at how much money is getting flushed down the toilet in schools now. Throwing money at something doesn't fix it. The problem with education is people going to school that have no idea what they want to do, but are just going and running up massive debt for no good reason other than they Think they should go to college to party. Then the reality hits them in the face when they graduate.

So now they want to give students that still have no idea what they want to do two free years of party time to make up their minds. That is stupid. And by your wishes below they would be in prison.

Education is broken because High school is now, at best, middle school. We need more education if we want to be a manufacturing nation, although we sold most of that ability off in the 80s and 90s because greed is good, and tax cuts means more cash to give to Wall St. criminals

Community college is no more a party than a 4 year school. In fact, Community colleges aren't party schools at all, as they are almost literally only offering required courses, rather than hundreds of electives and mid-level classes that ultimately purge the people who weren't prepared. You might be able to float through 101-102/103 courses by showing up now and again, but if you're in a 4 year school, there is so much else going on that you might lie to yourself that later you'll take it seriously.

If you made Community college ubiquitous for most Americans, not only would the debt load be much lighter, but it would also offer more people the chance to see whether they'll hack it in college, whether because of aptitude or constitution.

And inheriting millions of dollars makes everything easier. If you gave the average hardworking laborer their entire lifetime wage upfront, they'd be able to invest it and earn their yearly wage each year in after-tax income, besides sitting on the principal.

And again, most rich people got it through inheritance.

 

[RickBean]

1 - Obama proposed two year free community college(He proposed many things, but most of them was just pr...)
2 - There is no any evidence of that and there is no details about these colleges.
We can make a conclusion that people after these colleges will work without salary to pey another debt...

 

[piasabird]

Actually you can get about $5k a year to go to community college if your income is low enough through the PELL Grant and other federal and state grants. On top of the that the federal government already partially funds both High Schools and community college districts. There is also some state funding of community college at the college level and also for GED programs and also for English as a second language (EASL).

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Simple solution could be allow bankruptcy to clear educational expenses. That way nobody will get offered extreme debt packages anymore.

 

[marvdmartian]

We give Jordan 1 billion a year in free money/aid to help them out, and 1.5 billion to Pakistan.

Just two examples add up to 2.5 billion of year of taxpayer money being used to help non americans. Americans don't seem to care, the media does not raise a stink either.

Yet Obama mentions 6 billion a year to help Americans get a 2 year community college and everyone goes apeshit.

Maybe if we gave free education to some of the world's poorest Muslims, they wouldn't be so ignorant? :hmm:

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Maybe if we gave free education to some of the world's poorest Muslims, they wouldn't be so ignorant? :hmm:

No we should be giving them strip clubs & strippers to calm them down

 

[Chaotic42]

Are college scholarships not as available as they were back around 2000? When I was in high school, you really only had to do fairly well and you'd get at least a portion of your tuition payed for.

I think something like a 26 on the ACT and a 3.0 would get you a full ride to any state university.

Is that not still the case?

 

[werepossum]

Winning.

There is no losing side to increasing the education available to our society, it increases America's competitive advantage, plain and simple. Only thing I'd like to see is the 2-year community college be extended to 2 years of trade school as an alternative.

Community colleges ARE trade schools. They aren't ONLY trade schools, but one can get a 2-year degree in nursing, electronics, electrical, construction, sheet metal fabrication, welding, etc. (Although the trades' apprenticeship programs are typically five years, but that's because they work during the day and attend classes at night.) Or one can get a more general education that can be leveraged into a four year degree.

 

[Bock]

Around here, the tuition isn't what's killer, $587 for 15 credit hours in county. It's the books racket.

The fed gov't would save so much money by requiring every1 that receives fed aid to use community college for freshman & sophmore year.

 

[Subyman]

Are college scholarships not as available as they were back around 2000? When I was in high school, you really only had to do fairly well and you'd get at least a portion of your tuition payed for.

I think something like a 26 on the ACT and a 3.0 would get you a full ride to any state university.

Is that not still the case?

No way. A full ride at a community college maybe.

 

[senseamp]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...u-s-might-run-out-of-college-educated-workers

US close to running out of college educated workers.

Last month, the unemployment rate of workers who hold a bachelor's degree or higher sank to 2.8 percent, its lowest level since September 2008. That compares with a jobless rate of 5.7 percent for the overall population.

But Republicans would rather pay for unemployment than college. Brilliant!