Why are americans up in arms over 2 year free college? we give more to arabs?

[Victorian Gray]

Of the nations you list, only Jordan and Iraq are Arabs.

He hasn't raised that as a point so, ?

 

[werepossum]

why would the cost to fix machinery be counted as 'profit'?

egypt is full of arabs. most arab pop culture originates in egypt.

It's debatable, but Egyptians are generally identified as a separate ethnic group which is Arabized rather than Arabic. Other than the Beduins, none of the Egyptians are historically Arabic any more than Algerians are historically French.

He hasn't raised that as a point so, ?

Might want to check the thread title.

 

[blastingcap]

It's debatable, but Egyptians are generally identified as a separate ethnic group which is Arabized rather than Arabic. Other than the Beduins, none of the Egyptians are historically Arabic any more than Algerians are historically French.

Look at polls in Egypt and you will find that many Egyptians consider themselves Arab.

 

[werepossum]

Look at polls in Egypt and you will find that many Egyptians consider themselves Arab.

Many are. Six centuries of rule will have its share of immigrants and intermarriages.

 

[Victorian Gray]

It's debatable, but Egyptians are generally identified as a separate ethnic group which is Arabized rather than Arabic. Other than the Beduins, none of the Egyptians are historically Arabic any more than Algerians are historically French.


Might want to check the thread title.

Oops.

Ohh, look at the pretty butterflies there. No, over there.

 

[ElFenix]

It's debatable, but Egyptians are generally identified as a separate ethnic group which is Arabized rather than Arabic. Other than the Beduins, none of the Egyptians are historically Arabic any more than Algerians are historically French.


Might want to check the thread title.

TIL

 

[werepossum]

Oops.

Ohh, look at the pretty butterflies there. No, over there.

lol

Anyway, my point was why pick on Arabs? They aren't even the heavy hitters of the region.

 

[Subyman]

-7 billion in subsidies to oil companies. Done and done.
Uncle Sam shouldn't be paying to fix your drill. That's the cost of doing business. Either you cover your costs and stay in business or you don't and you go out of business. That's capitalism.

That would be about the same as adding 5 cents per gallon to the gas.

 

[nickqt]

Making Americans more educated isn't nearly as profitable as giving money to Arab countries that they then give back to the US MIC.

I mean, the US Government can't just directly deposit billions of dollars into the MIC's bank accounts without first paying for something, or funneling it through someone else.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Because the potential of turning CC's into highschool 2.0 is not worth any sort of assumed benefits. Especially when CC's are pretty dirt cheap even though the cost is the only real limiting factor because as it is right now you only need a warm body with a pulse and the ability to pay for course that are dirt cheap to attend one. Lastly there is NO SUCH THING AS FREE. There is always a cost associated with anything government does be it indirect or direct.

 

[pcgeek11]

I say cut off the "aid" to all of those countries.

Also allow those kids to work for their own education as it use to be and should have remained.

 

[sportage]

I don't believe it is "Americans" opposed to this college education thing.
It is "republicans" opposed to this college education thing.

Investing in education is always a huge plus for any society.
Not a give away, but an investment. An investment with a high rate of return.

But the very idea of giving and helping the middle class and lower class, and more so minorities of the two classes, with a shot at an education is abhorrant concept for republicans.
Educated people tend to vote, and tend to stay informed. And name one republican would want that nightmare scenario?
They bitch about it, about the "takers" of society, but republicans are quite content with the poor staying poor, uneducated, and happily accepting government handouts to ensure they remain that way.
Don't be fooled by the fools. They demand this class separation.
The wealthy vs the poor.
And everything republicans do in congress, EVERYTHING, is done to ensure that class separation.
The money is there, plenty of money, but republicans insist on giving the money to the wealthy of society. And with no return on that investment. Simply a giveaway.
But we all know that all too well, now don't we?

 

[OverVolt]

I don't believe it is "Americans" opposed to this college education thing.
It is "republicans" opposed to this college education thing.

Investing in education is always a huge plus for any society.
Not a give away, but an investment. An investment with a high rate of return.

But the very idea of giving and helping the middle class and lower class, and more so minorities of the two classes, with a shot at an education is abhorrant concept for republicans.
Educated people tend to vote, and tend to stay informed. And name one republican would want that nightmare scenario?
They bitch about it, about the "takers" of society, but republicans are quite content with the poor staying poor, uneducated, and happily accepting government handouts to ensure they remain that way.
Don't be fooled by the fools. They demand this class separation.
The wealthy vs the poor.
And everything republicans do in congress, EVERYTHING, is done to ensure that class separation.
The money is there, plenty of money, but republicans insist on giving the money to the wealthy of society. And with no return on that investment. Simply a giveaway.
But we all know that all too well, now don't we?

Oil business not doing so good eh?

 

[nickqt]

I don't believe it is "Americans" opposed to this college education thing.
It is "republicans" opposed to this college education thing.

Investing in education is always a huge plus for any society.
Not a give away, but an investment. An investment with a high rate of return.

But the very idea of giving and helping the middle class and lower class, and more so minorities of the two classes, with a shot at an education is abhorrant concept for republicans.
Educated people tend to vote, and tend to stay informed. And name one republican would want that nightmare scenario?
They bitch about it, about the "takers" of society, but republicans are quite content with the poor staying poor, uneducated, and happily accepting government handouts to ensure they remain that way.
Don't be fooled by the fools. They demand this class separation.
The wealthy vs the poor.
And everything republicans do in congress, EVERYTHING, is done to ensure that class separation.
The money is there, plenty of money, but republicans insist on giving the money to the wealthy of society. And with no return on that investment. Simply a giveaway.
But we all know that all too well, now don't we?

We can debate the politics from the usual left vs right, but let's cut to the chase.

Dumping money into educating the rabble doesn't enrich the right people. Period.

If greed is good, and everyone is on their own, and should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and providing aid to your fellow citizens is "taking" away from someone else, then providing a better education to the citizens of a country is a net benefit. AKA socialism.

So, of course this program is DOA. Or, some token will be passed. Meanwhile, $1T or so (on and off the books) will continue to fund the Pentagon, which goes bankrupt EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR.

Note how we have to cut SS benefits now because we might have to cut them 25 years from now (always 25 years from now!), but the Defense budget gets spent every year and we have the money to buy more bombs and bullets. Because freedom.

 

[michal1980]

I don't believe it is "Americans" opposed to this college education thing.
It is "republicans" opposed to this college education thing.

Investing in education is always a huge plus for any society.
Not a give away, but an investment. An investment with a high rate of return.

But the very idea of giving and helping the middle class and lower class, and more so minorities of the two classes, with a shot at an education is abhorrant concept for republicans.
Educated people tend to vote, and tend to stay informed. And name one republican would want that nightmare scenario?
They bitch about it, about the "takers" of society, but republicans are quite content with the poor staying poor, uneducated, and happily accepting government handouts to ensure they remain that way.
Don't be fooled by the fools. They demand this class separation.
The wealthy vs the poor.
And everything republicans do in congress, EVERYTHING, is done to ensure that class separation.
The money is there, plenty of money, but republicans insist on giving the money to the wealthy of society. And with no return on that investment. Simply a giveaway.
But we all know that all too well, now don't we?

So I ask you a simple question:

Is elementary and high school education fully funded?

 

[Matt1970]

Gotta love it. We can't even balance our budget but we have an abundance of money to give to other nations.

 

[Matt1970]

So I ask you a simple question:

Is elementary and high school education fully funded?

I can't remember the last time sportage actually replied to a question or came back and defended anything he posted.

 

[Bitek]

Because giving money to Jordan doesnt directly increase the cost of education. 2 free years of college for everyone just means everyone will need Masters and PhD instead of Bachelors, and the cost of those later years will increase in direct proportion to the amount of money "saved" in the first 2 years.

Yeah! Clearly the need for education is proportional to the amount of loans avg people need to take out. You've discovered a brilliant money saving opportunity here.

What we need to do is stop making high school free, then all the freeloaders will have to get loans or gtfo.

When so much of the population can't afford hs, employers will have no choice to accept a middle school education as the minimum for their workforce. They will celebrate as workers get to doing real work so much younger, instead of wasting years being indoctrinated into liberal perversions of homosexuality, evolution and Keynesian economics.

This new "information economy" is all liberal bullshit propaganda in order tax our betters. Before Johnson's "great society," back when men were men, women were in the kitchen, and blacks were in the back, everyone graduated hs knowing advanced calculus, and minimal on the job training was needed to create competent engineers.

Give away free college education, just so libtards can pay back lazy teachers unions, who don't want to teach reading until 3rd grade. This is all in the common core! We see through your lies Obama.

 

[dmcowen674]

Why are americans up in arms over 2 year free college? we give more to arabs?

We give Jordan 1 billion a year in free money/aid to help them out, and 1.5 billion to Pakistan.

Just two examples add up to 2.5 billion of year of taxpayer money being used to help non americans. Americans don't seem to care, the media does not raise a stink either.

Yet Obama mentions 6 billion a year to help Americans get a 2 year community college and everyone goes apeshit.

Who is the "we" and "everyone" you speak of?

The only ones I see that don't want smarter Americans is the Republitards.

 

[SLU Aequitas]

Yeah! Clearly the need for education is proportional to the amount of loans avg people need to take out. You've discovered a brilliant money saving opportunity here.

What we need to do is stop making high school free, then all the freeloaders will have to get loans or gtfo.

When so much of the population can't afford hs, employers will have no choice to accept a middle school education as the minimum for their workforce. They will celebrate as workers get to doing real work so much younger, instead of wasting years being indoctrinated into liberal perversions of homosexuality, evolution and Keynesian economics.

This new "information economy" is all liberal bullshit propaganda in order tax our betters. Before Johnson's "great society," back when men were men, women were in the kitchen, and blacks were in the back, everyone graduated hs knowing advanced calculus, and minimal on the job training was needed to create competent engineers.

Give away free college education, just so libtards can pay back lazy teachers unions, who don't want to teach reading until 3rd grade. This is all in the common core! We see through your lies Obama.

Winning.

There is no losing side to increasing the education available to our society, it increases America's competitive advantage, plain and simple. Only thing I'd like to see is the 2-year community college be extended to 2 years of trade school as an alternative.

 

[Jeff7]

We give Jordan 1 billion a year in free money/aid to help them out, and 1.5 billion to Pakistan.

Just two examples add up to 2.5 billion of year of taxpayer money being used to help non americans. Americans don't seem to care, the media does not raise a stink either.

Yet Obama mentions 6 billion a year to help Americans get a 2 year community college and everyone goes apeshit.

There's probably an alarming number of people who think that $6B represents at least 20% of the entire US government's budget.

 

[MongGrel]

:hmm:

I vote we just nuke the whole planet and start over.

Government has become do fragmented all over money flies all over and half of it doesn't get tracked anyways from backdoor funding.

You try to comply with the system, your taxes are used for used for a lot things you don't care for anyways.

Surprised the whole thing even works at all these days.

Just kidding a bit, but ya know.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8L8NopVwdg

 

[MongGrel]

There's probably an alarming number of people who think that $6B represents at least 20% of the entire US government's budget.

Yep, that's pretty much a drop in the bucket.

A really big bucket.

 

[Attic]

It's a round about solution. Specifically the free CC for 2 years being a solution to cost of education problems in the USA.


Why not just make it more affordable? CC costs have been creeping up a lot over the past decade. Let communities, states, cities raise taxes or shift funds to better cover local CC costs for students.

10 bux a unit should be the goal IMO, but let local government decide how much they will help and incentise here. Price should not be free, and certainly this is not something to be implemented by our federal government.

If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand.

-Milton Friedman


Anyways, there is no free. It's a bad idea and it's misleading, Obozo is right in his wheelhouse here. I like'd him better when he championed min wage raises, which he is now infuriatingly quiet on. Mechanism for wealth creation at this point in time is best served by raising min wage (and to >$10.10).

 

[Attic]

There's probably an alarming number of people who think that $6B represents at least 20% of the entire US government's budget.

If you believe this will cost $6billion a year you are using your brain wrong.