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Why America is in trouble.

techs

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It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
Almost no one talks about the POLICIES of the presidential candidates.
Its all about Obama's pastor or McCains age, etc....
What about the war? the deficit? our jobs going to China and India? our environment? our energy policy? our educational system? etc, etc.

Oh wait, Hilary just got a new haircut!
And Obama is wearing an American flag pin!
And McCain, well, no ones really paying attention to him. What did his wife do today?
 

mxyzptlk

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I blame the viewers still. The mainstream media can only sell it, we still have to buy it. If human nature didn't force our heads to swivel in the direction of car accidents, then pictures of car accidents on the news wouldn't sell commercial time.
 

jpeyton

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Every great empire eventually meets its end. Ignorance will be America's downfall.

Hopefully something greater rises from the ashes.
 

maddogchen

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stop hanging around your family? :D

joking aside, I hardly see this. I usually have pretty good discussions about oil, Iraq, economy, election campaigns with my friends and coworkers.
 

RichardE

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Except this happens in every country, whether its an empire or not and has always happened since the time of the countries founding.

The people of a nation make the nation, if the nation fails blame yourselves.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Every great empire eventually meets its end. Ignorance will be America's downfall.

Hopefully something greater rises from the ashes.
So I've learned that you actually aren't serious with your posts, you make them for pure comedic relief. It's great now that I see you for what you are!

Another good one to add to the tally!
 

NaughtyGeek

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The candidates aren't going to seriously discuss the issues for fear of alienating potential voters so why would the media try to cover issues? If you ask these politicians straight up questions you receive circle speak in return with no hard point message. While the media is pathetic at the least, they're only following whatever sniff they can get.
 

colonel

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I strongly believe about the Romans, they became arrogant, and they were overran for the Huns (barbarians). Rome was the light but the corruption in the government and society was big. Yes I agree ignorance will be America's downfall.
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: conehead433
History will see that GWB was the downfall of the USA.
No, GWB is merely an accellerant. Our fantasy tattoo, is that we can continue to dominate the world economy while having a negative balance of trade. It will all come to a screeching halt when the world quits loaning us money. And then it will be hello third world.

No more oil and no more fully stocked walmart shelves. As for US management talent, who would hire that?
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Deeko
That would be the media's fault.
Media is a symptom of our collective disease. We hate them but really they are just a manifestation of our own shortcomings.

To the idea that GWB will mark the fall of the USA, I would say this: The US has continued to strengthen during the last century and has been the unquestioned superpower. It is at its apex now, give or take a few years, so the question is, are we seeing the peak now and then will fall from it? A lot of signs would indicate this is possible, the economy looks like it may be in for a major adjustment, US sentiment goes down and meanwhile other countries are accelerating. IF this is the time at which the US can in the future point to and say "yep, that's when things started to go down hill", we could in fact blame some significant portion of it on Bush, although he was merely a little extra gasoline in a bucket already nearly full.
 

IGBT

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..a settled continent carrying on like it's still 1820 is largely the problem.
 

Slew Foot

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America is in trouble because the culture has changed from one of working to succeed to one of whining for handouts and bailouts.
 

nageov3t

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because policy disagreements quickly degenerate into "your candidate a closet muslim" vs "you'd vote for Hitler if he were running."

and, in the race that's gotten the most attention to far -- hilary / obama -- there aren't really any major policy differences.
 

woodie1

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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
America is in trouble because the culture has changed from one of working to succeed to one of whining for handouts and bailouts.
Ain't it the truth.
 

Siddhartha

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I was curious about what the media was reporting and checked the AP's Top Stories. See below,

Top Stories - AP Clinton presses ahead in longshot campaign
1 hour, 1 minute ago
STERLING HEIGHTS, Mich. - An embattled Hillary Rodham Clinton is urging the party leaders who are key to the Democratic presidential race to take a hard look at her West Virginia win and slow their march to Barack Obama.


View: Headlines Only | Include Summaries | Include Photos
China airlifts aid to remote villages hit by quake
3 minutes ago
AN XIAN, China - Military helicopters dropped food and medicine to Chinese earthquake survivors who remained cut off Wednesday in remote mountain villages behind roads clogged by landslides. The official death toll of more than 12,000 appeared certain to soar as several thousand more bodies were found.

Bush opens Mideast trip to mark Israel's anniversary
44 minutes ago
TEL AVIV, Israel - President Bush on Wednesday opened a celebratory visit to Israel where he'll make a new push for peace in the long-troubled Middle East.

Arson-started Florida wildfires fueled by growth
1 hour, 12 minutes ago
PALM BAY, Fla. - Wildfires that have gutted at least 40 homes along the state's Atlantic coast are believed to have been started by arsonists, but they got help from two classic Florida phenomenon: rampant development and a year-round growing season.

Farm bill full of goodies for both rich and poor
51 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - A $300 billion farm bill contains a little something for everyone, including tax breaks for Kentucky racehorse owners, extra help for farmers in Hawaii and Alaska, dollars for salmon farmers in the Pacific Northwest and more food stamps for the needy.

Anonymous rape tests are going nationwide
1 hour, 27 minutes ago
ELKTON, Md. - Starting next year across the country, rape victims too afraid or too ashamed to go to police can undergo an emergency-room forensic rape exam, and the evidence gathered will be kept on file in a sealed envelope in case they decide to press charges.

Study: Over half of Americans on chronic medicines
Wed May 14, 12:17 AM ET
TRENTON, N.J. - For the first time, it appears that more than half of all insured Americans are taking prescription medicines regularly for chronic health problems, a study shows.

Another elimination from 'Dancing With the Stars'
2 hours, 4 minutes ago
LOS ANGELES - Tony Award winner Marissa Jaret Winokur won't be adding a mirrorball trophy to her collection of prizes ? the actress was eliminated Tuesday from "Dancing With the Stars."

Hornets beat spurs 101-79 to take 3-2 series lead
Wed May 14, 2:15 AM ET
NEW ORLEANS - David West and the New Orleans Hornets sure looked happy to be at home. West had career playoff highs of 38 points, 14 rebounds and five blocked shots, lifting New Orleans to a 101-79 victory over the San Antonio Spurs on Tuesday night and a 3-2 series lead.

Pistons oust Magic, reach 6th straight East finals
Tue May 13, 11:10 PM ET
AUBURN HILLS, Mich. - The Detroit Pistons made just enough shots and stops to advance to the Eastern Conference finals for a sixth straight year.

James Garner hospitalized after minor stroke
Tue May 13, 10:14 PM ET
LOS ANGELES - James Garner, who was hospitalized late last week after suffering a minor stroke, is doing well and should be going home shortly, the veteran television and film star's publicist said Tuesday.

Bush calls new attack on US his worst worry
Tue May 13, 11:55 PM ET
WASHINGTON - President Bush said Tuesday he was disappointed in "flawed intelligence" before the Iraq war and was concerned that if a Democrat wins the presidency in November and withdrew troops prematurely it could "eventually lead to another attack on the United States."

Divers find Caesar bust that may date to 46 B.C.
1 hour, 26 minutes ago
PARIS - Divers trained in archaeology discovered a marble bust of an aging Caesar in the Rhone River that France's Culture Ministry said Tuesday could be the oldest known.

Televangelist John Hagee apologizes to Catholics
Wed May 14, 12:52 AM ET
WASHINGTON - John Hagee, an influential Texas televangelist who endorsed John McCain, apologized to Catholics Tuesday for his stinging criticism of the Roman Catholic Church and for having "emphasized the darkest chapters in the history of Catholic and Protestant relations with the Jews."

Feds unveil new indictment against Barry Bonds
Tue May 13, 10:05 PM ET
SAN FRANCISCO - Barry Bonds was charged in a new indictment Tuesday with 15 felony counts alleging he lied to a grand jury when he denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs and that he hampered the federal government's doping investigation.

Government to unveil fitness test for adults
Wed May 14, 12:12 AM ET
WASHINGTON - If you didn't get a Presidential Physical Fitness Award in school, the government is giving you another chance to prove you're in shape.

Exercise may protect girls from future breast cancer
Tue May 13, 9:06 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Get your daughters off the couch: New research shows exercise during the teen years ? starting as young as age 12 ? can help protect girls from breast cancer when they're grown. Middle-aged women have long been advised to get active to lower their risk of breast cancer after menopause.

'Darth Vader' spared jail in Jedi church attacks
Tue May 13, 9:04 PM ET
HOLYHEAD, Wales - A man who dressed up as Darth Vader, wearing a garbage bag for a cape, and assaulted the founders of a group calling itself the Jedi church was given a suspended sentence Tuesday.

Israel Museum puts Dead Sea scroll on rare display
Tue May 13, 7:57 PM ET
JERUSALEM - One of the most important Dead Sea scrolls is going on display in Jerusalem this week ? more than four decades after it was last seen by the public. The 24-foot scroll with the text of the Bible's Book of Isaiah had been in a dark, temperature-controlled room at the Israel Museum since 1967. It went on display two years earlier, but curators replaced it with a facsimile after noticing new cracks in the calfskin parchment.

Ex-Patriots video assistant meets Goodell, Specter
Tue May 13, 7:08 PM ET
NEW YORK - A murmur rippled across the room as the NFL revealed the tapes provided by former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh. The cause was not some new revelation of wrongdoing by New England, which was caught last September recording opposing coaches' signals in violation of league rules.

Police report 60 killed by bombs in western India
Tue May 13, 6:54 PM ET
NEW DELHI - A series of bombs exploded across the ancient city of Jaipur on Tuesday, killing at least 60 people and transforming busy markets, a jewelry bazaar and a Hindu temple into scenes of carnage.

Britain releases batch of files on UFO sightings
Tue May 13, 7:58 PM ET
LONDON - The men were air traffic controllers. Experienced, calm professionals. Nobody was drinking. But they were so worried about losing their jobs that they demanded their names be kept off the official report.

Man says JetBlue made him sit on toilet
Tue May 13, 7:50 PM ET
NEW YORK - A New York City man is suing JetBlue Airways Corp. for more than $2 million because he says a pilot made him give up his seat to a flight attendant and sit on the toilet for more than three hours on a flight from California.

Grammer says 'Back to You' won't be back on Fox
Tue May 13, 6:51 PM ET
LOS ANGELES - Kelsey Grammer said Tuesday that Fox is dropping his sitcom "Back to You," calling the decision a surprise and a shame. "They have let it go," Grammer told The Associated Press. "We were told all this time we were in good shape and we were coming back."

Congress urges Bush to halt oil reserve shipments
Tue May 13, 7:48 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Congress voted overwhelmingly Tuesday to challenge President Bush to temporarily halt the daily shipment of thousands of barrels of oil into the government's emergency reserve.

LaBeouf: Cigs run led to Walgreens arrest
Tue May 13, 6:50 PM ET
NEW YORK - Turns out it was a nicotine jones that led to Shia LaBeouf's arrest in Chicago. The 21-year-old actor, who stars opposite Harrison Ford in "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull," told the story of his infamous Walgreen's arrest during his appearance on Monday night's "Late Show."

NYC judge sentences Remy Ma to 8 years in prison
Tue May 13, 4:38 PM ET
NEW YORK - A weeping Remy Ma was sentenced to eight years in prison Tuesday for shooting a woman outside a Manhattan nightclub. "I feel so bad for all the physical and mental pain you've gone through," the Grammy-nominated rapper told the victim. "This has taken a toll on us and both our families. I would never wish you harm and I pray the best for all of us."

Retail sales dip but sales excluding autos show strength
Tue May 13, 6:18 PM ET
WASHINGTON ? Consumers cut back on car-buying in April but boosted spending in a number of other areas, giving evidence of the economy's staying power in spite of soaring gasoline prices.

Detroit City Council moves toward ousting mayor
Tue May 13, 6:53 PM ET
DETROIT - The City Council narrowly approved taking the first step Tuesday toward removing Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, who is charged with perjury over explicit text messages
 

tamaron

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Your vote is your weapon, you should use it wisely... But we are tired, sad, angry or simply shallow. They are just the representatives of the people, they should not use it like a status symbol or as a tool of his will.
 

FuzzyBee

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Originally posted by: techs
It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
Almost no one talks about the POLICIES of the presidential candidates.
Its all about Obama's pastor or McCains age, etc....
What about the war? the deficit? our jobs going to China and India? our environment? our energy policy? our educational system? etc, etc.

Oh wait, Hilary just got a new haircut!
And Obama is wearing an American flag pin!
And McCain, well, no ones really paying attention to him. What did his wife do today?
Well, there's no official candidate of either party, and the two contending Democrats have essentially the same platform. What policy differences are there to discuss?
 

piasabird

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As long as we dont forget about dancin with the stars and American Idol; that is the important thing. There was a girl turned away from her prom because she tried to make an outfit like the ones she saw on dancing with the stars. She can not understand why her prom outfit was unacceptable. Maybe because the show dancing with the stars is also unacceptable.
 
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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
America is in trouble because the culture has changed from one of working to succeed to one of whining for handouts and bailouts.
"A democracy cannot survive as a permanent form of government. It can last only until its citizens discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority will vote for the candidates promising the greatest benefits from the public purse, with the result that a democracy will always collapse from loose fiscal policies, always followed by a dictatorship."

 
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Originally posted by: RichardE
Except this happens in every country, whether its an empire or not and has always happened since the time of the countries founding.
Sorry, but that's horse shit. It's an election year in my country and here the media covers policy, not the drivel that comes from American media.


American media is publishing what people want to buy.
 

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