Why all the 'rice' haters here?

[DocDoo]

<< RX7 is Mazda, it's amazing what they can do with what is technically a two cylinder. All of 1.3 liters of displacement.

it's a 2 rotor engine... really can't compare it to a standard engine.

and the souped up ones have the 3 rotor option usually don't they? >>



The performance of a &quot;3-Rotor Twin Turbo&quot; in a 3rd generation RX-7 can only be compared against cars in the $100,000 to $150,000 price range. They are really a beast! It takes little effort to make a 3-Rotor hit the 500+RWHP barrier. Technically the 3-Rotor can be compared to a V-9 (if they made one), but the thing sounds like a 12 cylinder.

I own a 94 RX-7 (2-Rotor) and I really feel it's one of the best balanced cars built (looks and performance).

Here is what &quot;rice&quot; technology can do:

Item A = 1.3 liter (80 cubic inch) twin turbo from a 94 RX-7 has 3.1875 HP per cubic inch (stock)!

Item B = 8.0 liter (488 cubic inch) Dodge Viper motor has .922 HP per cubic inch (stock)!

This means that if a &quot;twin turbo rotary&quot; was 488 cubic inches, it would have 1555 HP stock!!! It's simple math folks Well, you get my point...

BTW: A 3-rotor is still only 2.0 liters (122 cubic inches)

FWIW: I am definetly not your typical &quot;rice&quot; guy. I am a full blooded &quot;Classic-Muscle-Car-Guy&quot;

Check out my signature below to see them...

PS. Ohhh... and how I hate those &quot;coffee can size/muffler draggin/decal sporting/dinner table rear spoiler&quot; wanna be ricers.

 

[Robert01]

I actually saw this license plate that said &quot;RICEPOWR.&quot; Yes, the car was riced up in a couple of ways--I couldn't believe it.

 

[lowfatbaconboy]

<< RX7 is Mazda, it's amazing what they can do with what is technically a two cylinder. All of 1.3 liters of displacement.

I don't care much for first generation RX7's, but the second and especially third are gorgeous vehicles.

Viper GTS >>



i love rx-7s
to bad they aren't made anymore

 

[lowfatbaconboy]

<< Here is why I hate ricers. The other morning I was driving to work on the freeway doing about 70 mph in the center lane. A ricer comes up in the left lane but can't by because of an 18 wheeler in the left lane, and the right lane has slower traffic. So this guy is bouncing back and forth between the two lanes, he is tailgating me so close that I can only see the roof of his car in the rear view mirror(I drive an S-10 pickup). I finally get tired of his tail gating and really step on the gas. I get about a 1/4 mile ahead of him(because his rice burner can't keep up, the highway splits and goes down to two lanes. Traffic is getting heavy so I slow down and get in the right lane. Well, here he comes again and he is on my tail again. He is bouncing between the two lanes again and after a couple of minutes he finally gets in front of me although there is only 1 car length between me and the car in front of me. Now here is my stupid decision. I decided I'd let him know how it felt to be tailgated that close. For about 2 miles I was about 2 feet from his rear bumper and he couldn't accellerate fast enough to pull away. I decided that it was enough and started to switch lanes. Just as I started to switch lanes the ricer slamms on his breaks. I must have missed him by inches. Then the idiot pulls next to me, is honking his horn, flipping the bird. So I pointed to the shoulder and motioned for him to stop. We both pull over, I get out and walk in front of my truck and wait for him to get out. After a minute the guy puts his car in reverse and tries to run me over, then takes off back into traffic. I guess he took the chicken sh!t approach since he figured I was pissed enough to kick his @ss. Anyway, that's why I hate ricers. >>



um your generalizing ricers....ive seen people do the same exact thing in geos and other sh!t cars.....thats called asshole driving...not rice driving....dumbass

 

[tkim]

had a 83 rx-7 with a 13b. dellorto carbs and a full off road exhaust. oh yeah, racing clutch and lightened flywheel.

at the time, when stang's were pushing barely over 200hp...i think early 90's....i could beast one in a 1/4 mile by about 1.5 to 2 cars.

7's are bad ass!!

 

[lowfatbaconboy]

<< Hey everyone here... First off I'd like to mention I'm a 24yo asian american, and being here for the last 20 years, should be able to read as well as anyone here...

First time in this thread, and I think I may know what it is you all refer to as a &quot;ricer.&quot; While I personally think Japanese cars are heads and shoulders above what American manufacturers churn out, (ie, Consumer reports says that Japanese cars rate slighly higher in terms of reliability than Euro cars, and significantly higher than American cars) I'm just as annoyed at all those &quot;ricers&quot; with their typeR's, civics, etc... because the drivers do tend to loiter, annoy people on the street, get involved in gangs, and their cars are most likely not paid off... But these are all stereotypes, and though stereotypes do exist because they tend to be true over half the time, many exceptions do exist.

OTOH American cars also annoy me a great deal. Besides the fact that most of them are lazy pieces of crap on wheels, everybody's into more powerful, heavier, stronger, bigger trucks... I think they're a bigger hazard on the road. Who needs 240+hp and a big fat tank like that Excursion or Escalade? And getting single digits gas mileage on such monstrosities is inexcuseable. Why does Dodge classify the Durango in the &quot;compact&quot; SUV category and their low end model still offers a V8? Ugly pieces of crap... People who drive those things are probably the same people who backed dumb-ass Bush on refusing to join the Kyoto conferance... F*ck the environment - we're rich Americans, and we rule! ...now isn't that the arrogant mentality some of us have?

Well that was my two cents... feel free to flame. >>



RIGHT ON!!!
i mean i see SUV drivers allll over dallas wtf do u need a SUV in dallas its flatter than calysta flockhart who needs one

and american cars are soooooooOOOOOoooo inefficient Am cars need more liters/cylinders to compete with good european and jap cars....bmw m3 I6 3.2L 343hp (euro ver)
compared to say the Chevy Corvette v8 (2 more cylinders) 5.7 liter (2.5 more liters) for an extra what 7 hp for the 350 it has

 

[Dhruv]

Spidey07:
I wouldn't dis on civic so fast. No i've never owned them and yes I used to dis them until a respectable engine with DOHC came out=Si. I would much rather work on that than a prelude. Hondas greatest asset is hp/liter or power to weight ratios. Big v8's no one cares about the weight because the engine itself is so powerful. But I'm a Gen 4 prelude owner (LOVED IT!) and can tell you that the prelude is a lot more torquey than civic/teg but for serious racers (drag) they are the ones chosen over prelude. Watch import racing events if you don't believe me. The fastest tend to be hatchback civics (Callos, Papadakis, etc) Put in a H22A motor then, yes, but not in prelude body. The only problem is the si doesn't have ABS, but thats really more for daily drivers anyhow.

For the record, i despise ricers perhaps more than anyone because i'm into the import (at this current stage east import due to price constraints i don't have the luxury of enjoying west imports) scene. As someone so astutely pointed out before, NOT ALL MODIFIED JAPANESE CARS ARE RICERS. We call ricers the ones that are overdone, the cars that 'appear' cosmetically out of place on the road and more likely to be seen on the race track. Of course if they have the speed to justify the stickers, people usually turn the other way and not even mention how ridiculous that big rear wing looks on a FWD car where downforce is actually usable to the front, aboutthe stickers, etc. Not all modified japanese cars have drivers that drive recklessly. A lot of us know our limits, a lot of us will not race unless their is a clear open road. a lot of us will SPANK your charger or 67 Stingray. Don't get me wrong, I love muscle cars. Some of my American dream cars include 67 stingray, 65 stang, shelby cobra, and plymouth 'cuda. The cars are beautiful, and some of them, particularly cobra, stingray are fast as hell. But seriously, some japanese cars deserve more respect, such as Rx7, and Supra. A 9 or 10 second car of ANY nationality deserves respect IMO. The main problem with Jap cars is most are FWD, and above about 600 HP, you can break the axle, not to mention serious loss control over even much less HP than 600. But handling is still better for the most part in FWD cars, and when racing on a street, thats where the hondas can shine. Also you guys can't forget that a lot of us are young people, unmarried, under 25, and to purchase a modern muscle car like z28, t bird, etc is just too $$$ for insurance rates. And why should they? You can get a S/C kit on a Civic Si and it will give respectable speed, while keeping insurance premiums low. Just cuz some dumbass kid just got through watching the Fast and the Furious, don't go and start blaming entire Japanese auto industry. Read this:

http://netscape.digitalcity.com/new...=newsday&amp;category=News&amp;article=800439

That DUMBASS driver was a Vette owner. Why not dis people like this? How about the other idiot who is a Lambo owner?

Now look at this and tell me if Japanese cars are really THAT bad:
http://members.xoom.com/Lil4cyl/bryced~1.mpg

This car has beaten Hennessy Viper.
Dog on ricers and their cars by all means but don't start generalizing. And some idiot posted earlier that bodykit doesn't make a car look better. What planet are you from? I'm not saying go get a Veilside, Shogun, or Combat bodykit, but a clean, preferably OEM bodykit makes ANY car (at least what i've seen) look sportier, even Cavalier, or Camaro. Why NOT get it? Yes speed is very important but if it makes your car look better, go get it. A lot of muscle car freaks spend countless hours polishing/washing their rides, getting chrome upgrades, special paint etc etc. Why is it okay for them to do it and not import drivers? Just because they choose to dress their car in a different fashion (bodykit, tail lights, spoiler (yes, a lot of their choices are not clean and very ugly looking)) doesn't make it inferior. Whats the point of the ram air hood on the Camaro SS, or T/A WS6. yeah, they are functioning but if you compare the 1/4 time between SS and Z28 there is no difference. Its just for SHOW. With the style of domestic cars the past 15-20 years, there is GOOD reason imports have taken off. IMO, a stock supra looks a HELL lot nicer than any modern American car excluding vette or Viper.

 

[atomicbomberman]

I don't like ricers because of that &quot;all ricers are asian&quot; image that comes w/ it.

Don't get me wrong.. I have friends who drive hondas and know a lot about engine and have CF Hood, Nice a$$ rims and a T34 turbo kit in his vtec prelude.. now that's great.. cause u can actually burn people with it. I don't like those a-hole driving in their Civic SI acting they're all pimp and stuff and try to race my Vento and think they'll win...

I upgrade my car too.. but only to the extent of making my car fast.. not stickers all over the place... I just wish those dork ricers would act better.

 

[lowfatbaconboy]

as i said in another thread the definition of rice boy is subjective but most should take it to mean people who over do the look of their car (excess stickers and spoilers and weed wacker exhuasts) but nothing more

i hate when people say im a ricer in my impreza....uh its stock i haven't done anything to it why don't some of you just go call camry drivers ricers....its an import

don't get my wrong i like muscle cars for asthetics and they do sound good but for efficiency and handling they lose ....now imports can have astehtics too

if ya saw fast and furious don't tell me that veilside rx-7 that raced Mia at the desert races wasn't beautiful

 

[Dhruv]

<< as i said in another thread the definition of rice boy is subjective but most should take it to mean people who over do the look of their car (excess stickers and spoilers and weed wacker exhuasts) but nothing more

i hate when people say im a ricer in my impreza....uh its stock i haven't done anything to it why don't some of you just go call camry drivers ricers....its an import

don't get my wrong i like muscle cars for asthetics and they do sound good but for efficiency and handling they lose ....now imports can have astehtics too

if ya saw fast and furious don't tell me that veilside rx-7 that raced Mia at the desert races wasn't beautiful >>



Lowfat: the reason for that is that all Imprezas even the stock ones are pre-riced! they come looking riced up, so what do you expect from a dumbass that drives his dads 58 Chevy truck to know about? I think they're well handling cars, but they do look 'riced.'

 

[lowfatbaconboy]

WTF are you talking about .....idiot
they don't look riced stock if ya wanna see rice go to rice boy page or Beaterz

rice means it makes the car look ugly or bad in some way....my car looks just fine IMO and doesn't look excessive

 

[gnoymyguy]

bigd480 and lowfatbaconboy - You're both talkin' sh!t

Nah, on second thought I agree with every single point you guys made.

CLARIFY meaning of RICERS

Seems some ppl on this forum are confused or stereotyping

Does it mean

a)Asians driving Asian cars?

b)Caucasians driving Asian cars?

c)Anybody driving Asian cars?

d)cosmetically modded cars?

e)cosmetically modded Asian cars?

Or a combination of the above?

If it is aimed at e) then what makes a cosmetically modded American car any better?

 

[tkim]

non asians driving modded cars

 

[67gt500]

hey Doc the only prob is the 2 rotor in the 94 rx7 takes up some space... and those engine bays aren't huge.

they are efficient motors, no doubt about that. But nothing beats the sound of a nice american made beast with some hooker headers and flows on the rear! no doubt about that!

edit: and that isn't rice. you can't really rice an rx7 because stock those twin turbo 2 rotors put out like 245 don't they?

anyway, I'm still not into imports.

 

[dunn]

I am sure the &quot;ricers&quot; are laughing at you guys also. Someone mentioned the cars looks fine the way it is, well i am saying your 1.4ghz is fine the way it is and no need to upgrade or overclock and whats the point with neon lights inside a computer case?? does it make it look cool?? Who cares!!!! No one will even look at your PC unless someone comes over. Plus, all it is doing it generating heat. The same ratio can be seen: % of retarded looking modded cases over % of retarded looking &quot;riced&quot; cars. LOL, riced <--- first time i heard of that word
And also give me a break, a 133 mhz processor with a geforce 3???? That does not go right
It is our mentality to fit-in i guess you can say, to be up with the top or high-end computers, well this also applies to &quot;ricers&quot;
I am not defending these car drivers in any way, I am just presenting a different perspective of the situation/issue.

 

[bozack]

Q: &quot;A lot of muscle car freaks spend countless hours polishing/washing their rides, getting chrome upgrades, special paint etc etc. Why is it okay for them to do it and not import drivers?&quot;

A: Because most if not all musclecar freaks try to maintain the integrity of the vehicle by &quot;restoring&quot; the outward appearance and saving the chrome and the accessories for the interior. Ricers on the other hand put all of this garbage on the outside of their car, like five foot high shopping cart wings and other ridiculous stickers.

&quot;Just because they choose to dress their car in a different fashion (bodykit, tail lights, spoiler (yes, a lot of their choices are not clean and very ugly looking))doesn't make it inferior&quot;

-Here your contradicting yourself, your first stating that they take different methods to &quot;update/alter&quot; the appearance of their vehicle, and you conclude by saying the majority of these upgrades are either in bad taste or not well made parts, or at least that is what I assume by your use of the words &quot;clean&quot; and &quot;ugly looking&quot;. Personally I feel that the aftermarket sector for Ricers is composed of two drastic tiers, the first is comprised of companies such as Wings West, that while they make very radical bodykits in terms of styling, they also sell a high quality product at a premium. I would surmise from what I have seen that less than 10% of ricers use their body kits due to price.

On the Second tier, you have those cheesy aftermarket companies that sell low budget body kits that really only look good for the first week. Everything is made of fiberglass (not even an option for sideskirts/ground effects) and is very brittle, fits like garbage and isnt worth half what you pay for it.


Finally there is this ridiculous statement.....

&quot;Whats the point of the ram air hood on the Camaro SS, or T/A WS6. yeah, they are functioning but if you compare the 1/4 time between SS and Z28 there is no difference. Its just for SHOW.&quot;

I was truly astonished by the ignorance of this post...

In answer to your question:

The difference is approx: 30 HP, which while it might not seem like alot, for a factory upgrade it is alot. And it is a clean and tastefull mod at that since it fits within the lines and contours of the vehicle.

And while you might not notice the difference in the 1/4 (actually you do notice a difference in the quarter as you loose a couple of seconds if you can drive) you do notice it in daily driving, more low end torque and a higher top end are always good things to have.

As someone stated before, I personally have done alot of work to may cars, mostly racing mustangs, camaros and corvettes-three friends of mine had cars that were 500 + RWHP supercharged saleens, the meanest one had 1100 HP at the flywheel. While I was more into touring than I was 1/4 mile I focused more of my attention on the suspension of my Saleen when I had it, and with gas getting the way it was and my car getting older-the SVT contour was the next logical step for me.-Just thought I would throw some history in there about myself.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Cepak,

yep, just wish they'd give me DSL out here, satellite is too damn expensive. You work for a contractor or U.S.A.F.?

 

[DocDoo]

<< hey Doc the only prob is the 2 rotor in the 94 rx7 takes up some space... and those engine bays aren't huge.
they are efficient motors, no doubt about that. But nothing beats the sound of a nice american made beast with some hooker headers and flows on the rear! no doubt about that!
edit: and that isn't rice. you can't really rice an rx7 because stock those twin turbo 2 rotors put out like 245 don't they? >>



1) A 3-Rotor is only 28&quot; long. The 2-Rotor is just smaller than a beer keg. They are really light weight. There are even V-8 conversion kits for RX-7 (if one wanted to defeat it's purpose). There is more room than one would think because the motor placement is VERY low.

2) I agree, nothing can beat the sound of a BBC with 14:1 and .700 lift cam (exept Michael Shumachers F-1 at 19,000 RPM). For those occasions, I crank up the Chevelle!

3) A stock &quot;twin-turbo RX-7&quot; makes 255HP. With basic parts you will get 320HP (in a car that weighs 2800lbs, thats stupid fast)

While they only sold them here in the US from '93 to '95...they are still available in Japan, the current model makes 280HP.