Who's to blame for the Redsox?

[ballmode]

go bo sox

 

[Rockinacoustic]

Originally posted by: rpbri2886

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
The entire pitching staff (besides Papelbon and Schilling) sucks

Hasn't papelbon blown 5 out of 17 saves?

That isn't really very good. Hopefully this ends the "Papelbon > Rivera" nonsense.

Actually he's blown 5 out 0f 37 saves. Still, his 0.89 ERA is just sick, even for a closer. Not bad for a kid who had enough hype to be deemed the "next Roger Clemens" as I read somewhere (Sports Ill. I think).

But the Red Sox's problem not only lies in their pitching, but their offense as well. Aside from Ortiz and Ramirez, what other clutch hitters do the sox have? Only three players on their roster are batting above.300, and there's no power hitters beyond Papi and Manny. Pena doesnt get nearly the amount of playing time he deserves, and Kevin Youklis is a joke for a leadoff hitter. Gone are the likes of Damon, and the loss of Varitek and Nixon makes their lineup even thinner.

Good Pitching wins games, and Unlike the Yankees, the Red Sox can't put up enough run's throughout the lineup to help themselves out of that.

 

[BHeemsoth]

Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic

Originally posted by: rpbri2886

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
The entire pitching staff (besides Papelbon and Schilling) sucks

Hasn't papelbon blown 5 out of 17 saves?

That isn't really very good. Hopefully this ends the "Papelbon > Rivera" nonsense.

Actually he's blown 5 out 0f 37 saves. Still, his 0.89 ERA is just sick, even for a closer. Not bad for a kid who had enough hype to be deemed the "next Roger Clemens" as I read somewhere (Sports Ill. I think).

But the Red Sox's problem not only lies in their pitching, but their offense as well. Aside from Ortiz and Ramirez, what other clutch hitters do the sox have? Only three players on their roster are batting above.300, and there's no power hitters beyond Papi and Manny. Pena doesnt get nearly the amount of playing time he deserves, and Kevin Youklis is a joke for a leadoff hitter. Gone are the likes of Damon, and the loss of Varitek and Nixon makes their lineup even thinner.

Good Pitching wins games, and Unlike the Yankees, the Red Sox can't put up enough run's throughout the lineup to help themselves out of that.

I meant 5 out of his last 17. Oh, wait...I guess that would be 6 of his last 18 now.

Nothing made me happier than seeing Jeter get thet game tying hit off of "Mariano Part II."

 

[SP33Demon]

Like I was saying all along, Pena for Arroyo deal was just stupid... take away a core component from the 2004 championship team to get more of what Boston didn't need, offense.

Papsmear is a great closer, wow he gave up a hit to Jeter last night. Rivera gave up a homerun to Ortiz on Friday. Paps is just as good as Rivera this year.

In the end it doesn't matter, I've grown tired of baseball. Boston broke the curse so now I'm apathetic, NY will always just keep buying the best players in baseball. Getting Abreau from my 2nd fav team (Philly) makes that the greatest offense of this century. Yet somehow they still can't buy pitching to save their life and won't win it all because of it.

Until baseball can instill a hardcap like football, there will be no parity and even the Red Sox/Yankees is boring now. I watched the last 2 innings last night, but not going to make time to watch baseball. Nothing will change from last year, NY will still be overpaid and choke in the playoffs, Boston will still squeak into the playoffs with no pitching and lose in the first round.

Only a couple weeks away from college football! :thumbsup:

 

[ThePresence]

Sp33d, that's spoken like a true fan. :roll:
Grown tired of baseball? Yeah, when your team gets clubbed into submission every night I can see why.
Of course, like every other time the Sox get beat by the Yankees, it takes about 2 seconds before the salary arguments come up, not the fact that the Boston bullpen couldn't pitch their way out of a paper bag.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Sp33d, that's spoken like a true fan. :roll:
Grown tired of baseball? Yeah, when your team gets clubbed into submission every night I can see why.
Of course, like every other time the Sox get beat by the Yankees, it takes about 2 seconds before the salary arguments come up, not the fact that the Boston bullpen couldn't pitch their way out of a paper bag.

Both teams have suckass pitching, maybe you missed the weekend series and how many runs were allowed. Neither will win it all, although NY has a good chance after buying Abreau and his insane OBP (sad when a team has to get rid of its superstar b/c they need to "dump salary", the NFL that is much less frequent). When NY can cherry pick any superstar in baseball it's a joke, and deep down you agree with me. The funny thing is, NY has been buying the best players for the past 6 years and have nothing to show for it except the biggest sports choke in history. So go ahead and get excited, invest all your time into baseball when you know that you can't win anything without dominant pitching. Just remember after NY chokes again I'm somewhere laughing at you.

 

[funkbass81]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Sp33d, that's spoken like a true fan. :roll:
Grown tired of baseball? Yeah, when your team gets clubbed into submission every night I can see why.
Of course, like every other time the Sox get beat by the Yankees, it takes about 2 seconds before the salary arguments come up, not the fact that the Boston bullpen couldn't pitch their way out of a paper bag.

Both teams have suckass pitching, maybe you missed the weekend series and how many runs were allowed. Neither will win it all, although NY has a good chance after buying Abreau and his insane OBP (sad when a team has to get rid of its superstar b/c they need to "dump salary", the NFL that is much less frequent). When NY can cherry pick any superstar in baseball it's a joke, and deep down you agree with me. The funny thing is, NY has been buying the best players for the past 6 years and have nothing to show for it except the biggest sports choke in history. So go ahead and get excited, invest all your time into baseball when you know that you can't win anything without dominant pitching. Just remember after NY chokes again I'm somewhere laughing at you.

pwnt

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Sp33d, that's spoken like a true fan. :roll:
Grown tired of baseball? Yeah, when your team gets clubbed into submission every night I can see why.
Of course, like every other time the Sox get beat by the Yankees, it takes about 2 seconds before the salary arguments come up, not the fact that the Boston bullpen couldn't pitch their way out of a paper bag.

Both teams have suckass pitching, maybe you missed the weekend series and how many runs were allowed. Neither will win it all, although NY has a good chance after buying Abreau and his insane OBP (sad when a team has to get rid of its superstar b/c they need to "dump salary", the NFL that is much less frequent). When NY can cherry pick any superstar in baseball it's a joke, and deep down you agree with me. The funny thing is, NY has been buying the best players for the past 6 years and have nothing to show for it except the biggest sports choke in history. So go ahead and get excited, invest all your time into baseball when you know that you can't win anything without dominant pitching. Just remember after NY chokes again I'm somewhere laughing at you.

Sure, the Yankees are winning because of Arbreu. :roll:
Perhaps you missed this entire season. The Yankees are winning because of Melky Cabrerra, Robinson Cano, CheinMing Wang, Derek Jeter. Abreu showed up a few weeks ago, and while he's certainly helped the team, he is not the reason why they are where they are. They were able to keep afloat when their best players went down because of the kids they brought up. That kept them with the Sox when Boston could not lose a game because of the players THEY bought, such as Manny, Papi, Schilling, Beckett, Lowell. Fair is fair. In other years you'd blame the Yankees for spending after they beat the Sox. But when Boston pulled out that miracle in 2004 what we heard from the Sox peanut gallery is that it's proof money does not buy victory. Okay, fine. So pipe down now. It was the young kids from the Yankee farm system that kept them in the race until now.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: funkbass81

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Sp33d, that's spoken like a true fan. :roll:
Grown tired of baseball? Yeah, when your team gets clubbed into submission every night I can see why.
Of course, like every other time the Sox get beat by the Yankees, it takes about 2 seconds before the salary arguments come up, not the fact that the Boston bullpen couldn't pitch their way out of a paper bag.

Both teams have suckass pitching, maybe you missed the weekend series and how many runs were allowed. Neither will win it all, although NY has a good chance after buying Abreau and his insane OBP (sad when a team has to get rid of its superstar b/c they need to "dump salary", the NFL that is much less frequent). When NY can cherry pick any superstar in baseball it's a joke, and deep down you agree with me. The funny thing is, NY has been buying the best players for the past 6 years and have nothing to show for it except the biggest sports choke in history. So go ahead and get excited, invest all your time into baseball when you know that you can't win anything without dominant pitching. Just remember after NY chokes again I'm somewhere laughing at you.

pwnt

ThePresence got owned because Speed quit on his team and trotted out the same tired excuse given year after year? Interesting.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Sp33d, that's spoken like a true fan. :roll:
Grown tired of baseball? Yeah, when your team gets clubbed into submission every night I can see why.
Of course, like every other time the Sox get beat by the Yankees, it takes about 2 seconds before the salary arguments come up, not the fact that the Boston bullpen couldn't pitch their way out of a paper bag.

Both teams have suckass pitching, maybe you missed the weekend series and how many runs were allowed. Neither will win it all, although NY has a good chance after buying Abreau and his insane OBP (sad when a team has to get rid of its superstar b/c they need to "dump salary", the NFL that is much less frequent). When NY can cherry pick any superstar in baseball it's a joke, and deep down you agree with me. The funny thing is, NY has been buying the best players for the past 6 years and have nothing to show for it except the biggest sports choke in history. So go ahead and get excited, invest all your time into baseball when you know that you can't win anything without dominant pitching. Just remember after NY chokes again I'm somewhere laughing at you.

Sure, the Yankees are winning because of Arbreu. :roll:
Perhaps you missed this entire season. The Yankees are winning because of Melky Cabrerra, Robinson Cano, CheinMing Wang, Derek Jeter. Abreu showed up a few weeks ago, and while he's certainly helped the team, he is not the reason why they are where they are. They were able to keep afloat when their best players went down because of the kids they brought up. That kept them with the Sox when Boston could not lose a game because of the players THEY bought, such as Manny, Papi, Schilling, Beckett, Lowell. Fair is fair. In other years you'd blame the Yankees for spending after they beat the Sox. But when Boston pulled out that miracle in 2004 what we heard from the Sox peanut gallery is that it's proof money does not buy victory. Okay, fine. So pipe down now. It was the young kids from the Yankee farm system that kept them in the race until now.

Abreau is batting over .400 with NYY and had a .420 OBP coming from the Phillies, wtf are you smoking? He makes that lineup 1 step above insane. And to say that NY's "young kids from the farm system kept them in the race" is utter BS. So Giambi, ARod, Moose, Rivera, Posada, and JOHNNY DAMON had nothing to do with keeping them in the race? Put your crack pipe down and watch some tennis because your baseball mancard has just been revoked.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Sp33d, that's spoken like a true fan. :roll:
Grown tired of baseball? Yeah, when your team gets clubbed into submission every night I can see why.
Of course, like every other time the Sox get beat by the Yankees, it takes about 2 seconds before the salary arguments come up, not the fact that the Boston bullpen couldn't pitch their way out of a paper bag.

Both teams have suckass pitching, maybe you missed the weekend series and how many runs were allowed. Neither will win it all, although NY has a good chance after buying Abreau and his insane OBP (sad when a team has to get rid of its superstar b/c they need to "dump salary", the NFL that is much less frequent). When NY can cherry pick any superstar in baseball it's a joke, and deep down you agree with me. The funny thing is, NY has been buying the best players for the past 6 years and have nothing to show for it except the biggest sports choke in history. So go ahead and get excited, invest all your time into baseball when you know that you can't win anything without dominant pitching. Just remember after NY chokes again I'm somewhere laughing at you.

Sure, the Yankees are winning because of Arbreu. :roll:
Perhaps you missed this entire season. The Yankees are winning because of Melky Cabrerra, Robinson Cano, CheinMing Wang, Derek Jeter. Abreu showed up a few weeks ago, and while he's certainly helped the team, he is not the reason why they are where they are. They were able to keep afloat when their best players went down because of the kids they brought up. That kept them with the Sox when Boston could not lose a game because of the players THEY bought, such as Manny, Papi, Schilling, Beckett, Lowell. Fair is fair. In other years you'd blame the Yankees for spending after they beat the Sox. But when Boston pulled out that miracle in 2004 what we heard from the Sox peanut gallery is that it's proof money does not buy victory. Okay, fine. So pipe down now. It was the young kids from the Yankee farm system that kept them in the race until now.

Abreau is batting over .400 with NYY and had a .420 OBP coming from the Phillies, wtf are you smoking? He makes that lineup 1 step above insane. And to say that NY's "young kids from the farm system kept them in the race" is utter BS. So Giambi, ARod, Moose, Rivera, Posada, and JOHNNY DAMON had nothing to do with keeping them in the race? Put your crack pipe down and watch some tennis because your baseball mancard has just been revoked.

Abreu has been doing great on the Yankees, but he's on the team for what, 3 weeks? Is that why the Yankees are where they are? Please. Giambi Moose and Damon have all been great for the Yankees this season, but I was talking about the guys filling in for the injured players who just happen to be tremendous offensive forces that nobody thought the Yankees would survive losing. The kids fillied in and did a fantastic job. Please don't bring up Arod. He's been responsible for losing more games this year than winning. And Rivera and Posada are products of the Yankee system. You knew this all already but in the way that you only can you conveniently ignore every point made except the one you want to respond to. And it's interesting how you tell me to take up tennis when you stated quite clearly that you are the one who lost interest in baseball. Nice.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Sp33d, that's spoken like a true fan. :roll:
Grown tired of baseball? Yeah, when your team gets clubbed into submission every night I can see why.
Of course, like every other time the Sox get beat by the Yankees, it takes about 2 seconds before the salary arguments come up, not the fact that the Boston bullpen couldn't pitch their way out of a paper bag.

Both teams have suckass pitching, maybe you missed the weekend series and how many runs were allowed. Neither will win it all, although NY has a good chance after buying Abreau and his insane OBP (sad when a team has to get rid of its superstar b/c they need to "dump salary", the NFL that is much less frequent). When NY can cherry pick any superstar in baseball it's a joke, and deep down you agree with me. The funny thing is, NY has been buying the best players for the past 6 years and have nothing to show for it except the biggest sports choke in history. So go ahead and get excited, invest all your time into baseball when you know that you can't win anything without dominant pitching. Just remember after NY chokes again I'm somewhere laughing at you.

Sure, the Yankees are winning because of Arbreu. :roll:
Perhaps you missed this entire season. The Yankees are winning because of Melky Cabrerra, Robinson Cano, CheinMing Wang, Derek Jeter. Abreu showed up a few weeks ago, and while he's certainly helped the team, he is not the reason why they are where they are. They were able to keep afloat when their best players went down because of the kids they brought up. That kept them with the Sox when Boston could not lose a game because of the players THEY bought, such as Manny, Papi, Schilling, Beckett, Lowell. Fair is fair. In other years you'd blame the Yankees for spending after they beat the Sox. But when Boston pulled out that miracle in 2004 what we heard from the Sox peanut gallery is that it's proof money does not buy victory. Okay, fine. So pipe down now. It was the young kids from the Yankee farm system that kept them in the race until now.

Abreau is batting over .400 with NYY and had a .420 OBP coming from the Phillies, wtf are you smoking? He makes that lineup 1 step above insane. And to say that NY's "young kids from the farm system kept them in the race" is utter BS. So Giambi, ARod, Moose, Rivera, Posada, and JOHNNY DAMON had nothing to do with keeping them in the race? Put your crack pipe down and watch some tennis because your baseball mancard has just been revoked.

Abreu has been doing great on the Yankees, but he's on the team for what, 3 weeks? Is that why the Yankees are where they are? Please. Giambi Moose and Damon have all been great for the Yankees this season, but I was talking about the guys filling in for the injured players who just happen to be tremendous offensive forces that nobody thought the Yankees would survive losing. The kids fillied in and did a fantastic job. Please don't bring up Arod. He's been responsible for losing more games this year than winning. And Rivera and Posada are products of the Yankee system. You knew this all already but in the way that you only can you conveniently ignore every point made except the one you want to respond to. And it's interesting how you tell me to take up tennis when you stated quite clearly that you are the one who lost interest in baseball. Nice.

I specifically refuted your argument that "young kids" are carrying NY and this is the best you can come up with? You always were so easy to debate with TP...

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Sp33d, that's spoken like a true fan. :roll:
Grown tired of baseball? Yeah, when your team gets clubbed into submission every night I can see why.
Of course, like every other time the Sox get beat by the Yankees, it takes about 2 seconds before the salary arguments come up, not the fact that the Boston bullpen couldn't pitch their way out of a paper bag.

Both teams have suckass pitching, maybe you missed the weekend series and how many runs were allowed. Neither will win it all, although NY has a good chance after buying Abreau and his insane OBP (sad when a team has to get rid of its superstar b/c they need to "dump salary", the NFL that is much less frequent). When NY can cherry pick any superstar in baseball it's a joke, and deep down you agree with me. The funny thing is, NY has been buying the best players for the past 6 years and have nothing to show for it except the biggest sports choke in history. So go ahead and get excited, invest all your time into baseball when you know that you can't win anything without dominant pitching. Just remember after NY chokes again I'm somewhere laughing at you.

Sure, the Yankees are winning because of Arbreu. :roll:
Perhaps you missed this entire season. The Yankees are winning because of Melky Cabrerra, Robinson Cano, CheinMing Wang, Derek Jeter. Abreu showed up a few weeks ago, and while he's certainly helped the team, he is not the reason why they are where they are. They were able to keep afloat when their best players went down because of the kids they brought up. That kept them with the Sox when Boston could not lose a game because of the players THEY bought, such as Manny, Papi, Schilling, Beckett, Lowell. Fair is fair. In other years you'd blame the Yankees for spending after they beat the Sox. But when Boston pulled out that miracle in 2004 what we heard from the Sox peanut gallery is that it's proof money does not buy victory. Okay, fine. So pipe down now. It was the young kids from the Yankee farm system that kept them in the race until now.

Abreau is batting over .400 with NYY and had a .420 OBP coming from the Phillies, wtf are you smoking? He makes that lineup 1 step above insane. And to say that NY's "young kids from the farm system kept them in the race" is utter BS. So Giambi, ARod, Moose, Rivera, Posada, and JOHNNY DAMON had nothing to do with keeping them in the race? Put your crack pipe down and watch some tennis because your baseball mancard has just been revoked.

Abreu has been doing great on the Yankees, but he's on the team for what, 3 weeks? Is that why the Yankees are where they are? Please. Giambi Moose and Damon have all been great for the Yankees this season, but I was talking about the guys filling in for the injured players who just happen to be tremendous offensive forces that nobody thought the Yankees would survive losing. The kids fillied in and did a fantastic job. Please don't bring up Arod. He's been responsible for losing more games this year than winning. And Rivera and Posada are products of the Yankee system. You knew this all already but in the way that you only can you conveniently ignore every point made except the one you want to respond to. And it's interesting how you tell me to take up tennis when you stated quite clearly that you are the one who lost interest in baseball. Nice.

I specifically refuted your argument that "young kids" are carrying NY and this is the best you can come up with? You always were so easy to debate with TP...

Ahh, but that wasn't my argument. I was not dealing with 'right now'. I was talking about what got the Yankees to the point that they are at now. They had injuries nobody thought they could endure, and they endured it because of the kids filling in. Abreu is a very recent acquisition and does not factor in to why the Yankees are where they are now. He's great, but he hasn't been here all season.

 

[Queasy]

Who's to blame for the Redsox?

I blame Global Warming and George W. Bush.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Who's to blame for the Redsox?

I blame Global Warming and George W. Bush.

and the out of control gas prices.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Who's to blame for the Redsox?

I blame Global Warming and George W. Bush.

Hehe, while Bush is an awful president, I think the only team he screwed up with was Texas, so he shouldn't be blamed for this particular mess.

 

[Theiananator]

The Yankees?

 

[Poulsonator]

The fans are to blame as they expect way too much out of this team. Sit back, relax and enjoy watching winning baseball as there's never been a time like this in Red Sox history. WAY too much baseball left to be writing anything off.

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Sp33d, that's spoken like a true fan. :roll:
Grown tired of baseball? Yeah, when your team gets clubbed into submission every night I can see why.
Of course, like every other time the Sox get beat by the Yankees, it takes about 2 seconds before the salary arguments come up, not the fact that the Boston bullpen couldn't pitch their way out of a paper bag.

Both teams have suckass pitching, maybe you missed the weekend series and how many runs were allowed. Neither will win it all, although NY has a good chance after buying Abreau and his insane OBP (sad when a team has to get rid of its superstar b/c they need to "dump salary", the NFL that is much less frequent). When NY can cherry pick any superstar in baseball it's a joke, and deep down you agree with me. The funny thing is, NY has been buying the best players for the past 6 years and have nothing to show for it except the biggest sports choke in history. So go ahead and get excited, invest all your time into baseball when you know that you can't win anything without dominant pitching. Just remember after NY chokes again I'm somewhere laughing at you.

Sure, the Yankees are winning because of Arbreu. :roll:
Perhaps you missed this entire season. The Yankees are winning because of Melky Cabrerra, Robinson Cano, CheinMing Wang, Derek Jeter. Abreu showed up a few weeks ago, and while he's certainly helped the team, he is not the reason why they are where they are. They were able to keep afloat when their best players went down because of the kids they brought up. That kept them with the Sox when Boston could not lose a game because of the players THEY bought, such as Manny, Papi, Schilling, Beckett, Lowell. Fair is fair. In other years you'd blame the Yankees for spending after they beat the Sox. But when Boston pulled out that miracle in 2004 what we heard from the Sox peanut gallery is that it's proof money does not buy victory. Okay, fine. So pipe down now. It was the young kids from the Yankee farm system that kept them in the race until now.

Abreau is batting over .400 with NYY and had a .420 OBP coming from the Phillies, wtf are you smoking? He makes that lineup 1 step above insane. And to say that NY's "young kids from the farm system kept them in the race" is utter BS. So Giambi, ARod, Moose, Rivera, Posada, and JOHNNY DAMON had nothing to do with keeping them in the race? Put your crack pipe down and watch some tennis because your baseball mancard has just been revoked.

Abreu has been doing great on the Yankees, but he's on the team for what, 3 weeks? Is that why the Yankees are where they are? Please. Giambi Moose and Damon have all been great for the Yankees this season, but I was talking about the guys filling in for the injured players who just happen to be tremendous offensive forces that nobody thought the Yankees would survive losing. The kids fillied in and did a fantastic job. Please don't bring up Arod. He's been responsible for losing more games this year than winning. And Rivera and Posada are products of the Yankee system. You knew this all already but in the way that you only can you conveniently ignore every point made except the one you want to respond to. And it's interesting how you tell me to take up tennis when you stated quite clearly that you are the one who lost interest in baseball. Nice.

I specifically refuted your argument that "young kids" are carrying NY and this is the best you can come up with? You always were so easy to debate with TP...

precisely why it's a complete waste of time to argue with

a) any die hard sports fans
b) especially from boston
c) especially over the INTARweb

 

[funkbass81]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: funkbass81

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Sp33d, that's spoken like a true fan. :roll:
Grown tired of baseball? Yeah, when your team gets clubbed into submission every night I can see why.
Of course, like every other time the Sox get beat by the Yankees, it takes about 2 seconds before the salary arguments come up, not the fact that the Boston bullpen couldn't pitch their way out of a paper bag.

Both teams have suckass pitching, maybe you missed the weekend series and how many runs were allowed. Neither will win it all, although NY has a good chance after buying Abreau and his insane OBP (sad when a team has to get rid of its superstar b/c they need to "dump salary", the NFL that is much less frequent). When NY can cherry pick any superstar in baseball it's a joke, and deep down you agree with me. The funny thing is, NY has been buying the best players for the past 6 years and have nothing to show for it except the biggest sports choke in history. So go ahead and get excited, invest all your time into baseball when you know that you can't win anything without dominant pitching. Just remember after NY chokes again I'm somewhere laughing at you.

pwnt

ThePresence got owned because Speed quit on his team and trotted out the same tired excuse given year after year? Interesting.

let me refresh you of the ****** pitching performances the yankees have had in the post season

1. 2004 ALCS, Game 7, starting pitcher, Kevin Brown. I forgot, did he pitch a good game?

 

[BeauJangles]

Well, in terms of this series, Abreau was a brilliant pick-up by the Yankees. They realized that he would flourish on a team where he didn't need to be "the man." All he needs to worry about is getting on base so that Giambi, Arod, et al can knock him in.

The Sox really have had some bad luck with injuries, so I won't go placing too much blame on the management yet. Seanez has been a huge dissapointment, particularly after coming off a good year with the Padres, Tavarez has always been a joker and should have never been signed. Injuries to nearly everyone, plus subpar performances has been the headline for the Sox this season.

Beckett is showing that he needs to work on his stuff a little, but those calling him the next Clement are idiots. Beckett is incredibly talented, young, and has a great arm. I think he can be a consistent performer for the Sox, but you need to give him a chance. The transition from NL to AL is a tough one for many pitchers. It's clear that a lot of our young pitching needs more experience before they will consistently deliver.

Hats off to the Yankees though. They are a well managed team and Cashman has been nothing short of brilliant during his tenure. I don't understand how the Yankees can consistently pick up mediocre players and make them at least serviceable for a few months, but it is something the red sox have failed to emulate. That being said, they have major questions and I echo their ability (or the Red Sox, for that matter) to go to the WS. I think Detriot and the White Sox are still the teams to beat.