who's the idiot? my boss or me?

[andylawcc]

My manager was using an online conversion calculator and found out 1 oz = 0.00002835 Metric Ton. My argument was that, what she wants is 1 FLUID Oz to x Metric Tons, however, since Fluid Oz is volume, and Metric Ton is Weight, both are not the same entity and therefore they cannot be converted.


Okay, the bigger picture: what she asked me to do is to use AC Nielson data to find the total production/output of various sauce manufacturers.

what I have:
Product Name
Product Size (in fl oz)
Total Product Sold (by bottle)

so, she wanted the final answers for Total Output in Metric Ton.
So, multiply Product Size by Total Product Sold and get "Total Product Sold in Ounce"
then, multiply that number with 0.00002835 to get "Total Product Sold in Metric Ton"

 

[CarlKillerMiller]

Yeah, I think I would have to agree. The volume in fluid ounces can't really relate to the weight. Similar volumes of water and mercury have VERY different weights.

Some people are confused because 1 mL of water = 1 g is a calculation often used in lab chem, so the assumption is made that 1 mL of any liquid=1 g.

 

[crystal]

Ah, maybe you should have define what she mean by "fluid". If it is just plain old water, 1 ml = 1 gram.

 

[JS80]

i voted you because you're not supposed to go against your boss.

 

[yuchai]

Your argument is right but I think you're confused

oz = weight
metric ton = weight

fl oz = volume

So she made the right comparison

 

[RichUK]

 

[Goosemaster]

*looks at poll*


Retake english?

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: crystal
Ah, maybe you should have define what she mean by "fluid". If it is just plain old water, 1 ml = 1 gram.

And 1 ml = 1cm^3? (If I can remember physical science that far back)

 

[Sukhoi]

If you know the density it should be ok.

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: JS80
i voted you because you're not supposed to go against your boss.

i actually didn't vent my discontent nor disargeement towards her... hence, this thread.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: andylawcc
My manager was using an online conversion calculator and found out 1 oz = 0.00002835 Metric Ton. My argument was that, what she wants is 1 FLUID Oz to x Metric Tons, however, since Fluid Oz is volume, and Metric Ton is Weight, both are not the same entity and therefore they cannot be converted.

She is very nearly correct...1 fluid ounce of water weighs 1.04 ounces...one was very likely based on the other

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: andylawcc
My manager was using an online conversion calculator and found out 1 oz = 0.00002835 Metric Ton. My argument was that, what she wants is 1 FLUID Oz to x Metric Tons, however, since Fluid Oz is volume, and Metric Ton is Weight, both are not the same entity and therefore they cannot be converted.

She is very nearly correct...1 fluid ounce of water weighs 1.04 ounces...one was very likely based on the other

so theoretically she is wrong, but by all practical purpose she can be correct.

btw: it is soy sauce, not water.

 

[VanTheMan]

Technically, I would say that you are correct. However, I think soy sauce is composed of mostly water so one fluid ounce of soy sauce would weigh close to one ounce. As long as she doesn't want explicitly accurate data, her reasoning should be ok.

 

[fire400]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
*looks at poll*


Retake english?

Who need to retake Physic 101?

Retake elementary school while you're at it.

p.s. she sucks, alright. let her win. she's not going to be at the top of the list for entra's who demand accuracy. take her side and swallow it. but don't lie if she asks you?

"umm so what do you think?"

-well? ...I can't really say. but I'll have to get you drunk if I were to tell the truth right now. I was on a forum trying to convince the cyber world that you were an "idiot?"

edit: ROFL...... you're on 18 for idiot, and her hitting just 8 on the poll. it's a sign, dude... I think both of you are idiots (j/k)

 

[dullard]

To convert between weight and volume, you need the density. Since the density of water is ~ 1 oz/fl.oz, and since most sauces are about the same density of water, the whole argument you are having is silly.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

fluid ounce is volume
ton is mass/weight

non-fluid ounce is mass weight though

You can't convert gallons to MPH

 

[jdobratz]

Correct me if I am wrong, but a metric ton is a mass measurement, not weight. Mass and weight are measuring different things.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: JS80
i voted you because you're not supposed to go against your boss.

i actually didn't vent my discontent nor disargeement towards her... hence, this thread.

I'm sure she has a computer and knows how to navigate the innerweb. Haha. I bet a represenative from HR is on the way "to speak" with you.

 

[mugs]

Is the product in question water? Otherwise you have to adjust for the density of your product vs the density of water.

 

[ArchCenturion]

Originally posted by: Sukhoi
If you know the density it should be ok.

yes find density of your fluid, then you can convert the fluid oz to metric ton or w/e

 

[pulse8]

If google can't do it, I'd say it's not possible.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: ArchCenturion
yes find density of your fluid, then you can convert the fluid oz to metric ton or w/e

Soy sauce is almost identical to salt water. The density of salt water varies upon concentration of salt and other factors, but it is approximately 1030*kg/m^3.

Thus converting to ounces and fluid ounces, the density of salt water is ~1.074*oz/fl.oz. The density of soy sauce should be ~1.074*oz/fl.oz. In terms of metric tons (tonne), the density of soy sauce is then ~0.00003046*tonne/fl.oz.

Your bosses number of 0.00002835 *tonne/fl.oz is not too far off. If you are a mathematician, then andylawcc is correct and the boss is incorrect. If you are a buisness person or an engineer, then andylawcc is incorrect and the boss is correct (within a standard margin of error). I vote that andylawcc should retake Physics 101.

 

[nakedfrog]

Poll is broken, no option for both

 

[Jeff7]

Fluid ounces of what? Oil? Mercury? 1oz of each will have a very different weight.

With the product's density, then ounces could be turned into tons.