Nope. The 4600 is still the fastest card for the next ~30 days. ATI is still in 2nd place ... until the 9700 ships
I think that is going to be ATI's biggest weakness. The 9700 is just to frigging expensive even if it is the fastest and best card arounds. Look at the volume of the 4200 or 4400 compaired to the 4600 for the geforce 4's. Most people just will not spend 400 dollars or even 300 dollars on a video card. With the release date of the mid end 9500 card rumored to be around the release of the nv30 it should be just in time compeate or judging from previous track records get beat by nvidia. Sure ati will have the fastest card around till then but I still expect more geforce 4 4200 and 4400's to be sold especially with no competition for them from ati.
Originally posted by: OatMan
wow this is fun
kbp said
I think that is going to be ATI's biggest weakness. The 9700 is just to frigging expensive even if it is the fastest and best card arounds. Look at the volume of the 4200 or 4400 compaired to the 4600 for the geforce 4's. Most people just will not spend 400 dollars or even 300 dollars on a video card. With the release date of the mid end 9500 card rumored to be around the release of the nv30 it should be just in time compeate or judging from previous track records get beat by nvidia. Sure ati will have the fastest card around till then but I still expect more geforce 4 4200 and 4400's to be sold especially with no competition for them from ati.
Step back and look at the big picture.
The R8500 forced nVidia to release GF3TI 200 and 500
R8500LE forced nVidia to release GF4TI4200 and 4400 (Decent 4200 overclock = 4600 at half the price
Now the R9000 and R9000pro means that nVidia has to do better than a glorified gf2 (aka GF4MX)
This is why competent competition is good. Whether the 9700 is better than the GF4 or NV30 is beside the point. W/o ATI we would be stuck with a $500 GF3 right now and not a sub $200 GF4TI4200 that can overclock reliably to 4600 levels. And I doubt games would be looking at 128bit color and lighting effects to implement sooner rather than later.
So yes NV30 will beat ATI9700. ATI will counter with R10000 on the .13 process. NV will make a better MX. ATI will bring out R400 and R300 will be new bargain card. And all of this will probably happen before there are more than a small number of DX9 games!
This is I think the "good news" anandaustin and others are referring to. If nothing else I can get a GF4 TI cheaper sooner now or wait for whatever - but I got a choice. Thanks to both nVidia and ATI - keep pushing!
Hahah...poor little boy.this is a very big blow for Nvidia again and for all
this nvidia harcorefans I like that.
Originally posted by: ceZium
There will always be companies one upping eachother, no big deal. Just buy which brand you like best, that's what matters.
The 9700 is just to frigging expensive even if it is the fastest and best card arounds
Originally posted by: OatMan
wow this is fun
kbp said
I think that is going to be ATI's biggest weakness. The 9700 is just to frigging expensive even if it is the fastest and best card arounds. Look at the volume of the 4200 or 4400 compaired to the 4600 for the geforce 4's. Most people just will not spend 400 dollars or even 300 dollars on a video card. With the release date of the mid end 9500 card rumored to be around the release of the nv30 it should be just in time compeate or judging from previous track records get beat by nvidia. Sure ati will have the fastest card around till then but I still expect more geforce 4 4200 and 4400's to be sold especially with no competition for them from ati.
Step back and look at the big picture.
The R8500 forced nVidia to release GF3TI 200 and 500
R8500LE forced nVidia to release GF4TI4200 and 4400 (Decent 4200 overclock = 4600 at half the price
Now the R9000 and R9000pro means that nVidia has to do better than a glorified gf2 (aka GF4MX)
This is why competent competition is good. Whether the 9700 is better than the GF4 or NV30 is beside the point. W/o ATI we would be stuck with a $500 GF3 right now and not a sub $200 GF4TI4200 that can overclock reliably to 4600 levels. And I doubt games would be looking at 128bit color and lighting effects to implement sooner rather than later.
So yes NV30 will beat ATI9700. ATI will counter with R10000 on the .13 process. NV will make a better MX. ATI will bring out R400 and R300 will be new bargain card. And all of this will probably happen before there are more than a small number of DX9 games!
This is I think the "good news" anandaustin and others are referring to. If nothing else I can get a GF4 TI cheaper sooner now or wait for whatever - but I got a choice. Thanks to both nVidia and ATI - keep pushing!
-BTW the credit for this idea goes to someone from another thread I think at rage3d, but I couldn't find it to give propper credit where its due... but i digest.
Originally posted by: Packy
*sigh* someone is always going to edge out someone else... that's the basis of healthy growth in the video card (or ANY) market. I'm not a fanboy of either card maker, I just get what suits me at the time. Originally I had a Matrox Millennium II, then a TNT, then a GF2, then a Radeon 7500 and now a GF4 ti. It just depends what has the best price/performance ratio for me at the time.
I honestly don't care who is the best I agree with AnAndAustin, it's a win-win situation for consumers... okay, and it's fun to see benchmarking records broken
Who's the best now ATI!!!!!!
Originally posted by: PING
dakata24, that's affirmative. I, for one, is waiting for the $100 geforce 4 ti 4200 this Thanksgiving. I just have to outsmart the other anandtech shopper.