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Who's more deserving of NFL MVP?
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PlatinumGold
Lifer
i'd go with brees.
also, you can't tell me that anyone out there thinks that phillip rivers is better than brees right now. if the chargers would have kept brees, i would have said they were favorites to win the super bowl, with rivers, i'm not so sure.
also, you can't tell me that anyone out there thinks that phillip rivers is better than brees right now. if the chargers would have kept brees, i would have said they were favorites to win the super bowl, with rivers, i'm not so sure.
BlancoNino
Diamond Member
As far as being most valuable to the team (which is who deserves the MVP), Brees by a longshot. Brees throws to everyone and doesn't necessarily have the best receivers in the league, plus he is the whole offense.
LT, OTOH, is very explosive and does some great things, but isn't carrying the team like Brees is.
LT, OTOH, is very explosive and does some great things, but isn't carrying the team like Brees is.
BlancoNino
Diamond Member
As much as I don't really care for the Bears, Hester is doing a great job. However, we are talking about the MVP, and not the Rookie Of The Year Award. IMO, Hester should win the ROTY Award.
MazerRackham
Diamond Member
LT in a landslide. Brees is having a great year, but what LT has done (and continues to do) this season is absolutely EPIC.
Christobevii3
Senior member
Steve mcnair. The saints had their whole team almost completely changed, it wasn't like breese showed up and bush and colston, it was like 30 new players.
BudAshes
Lifer
LT has got it wrapped up, its pretty much guaranteed since he's setting the points and touchdown records.
How about least valuable player though. I'd say David Carr takes the cake. He's somehow managed just 1 passing touchdown in his last 7 games. I didn't even know that was possible as a starting NFL QB.
How about least valuable player though. I'd say David Carr takes the cake. He's somehow managed just 1 passing touchdown in his last 7 games. I didn't even know that was possible as a starting NFL QB.
rockyct
Diamond Member
As a San Diego fan, I hated to see Brees leave, but even before the season began I learned to accept the reality that it was the best move. Rivers is no Brees, but he sure is a heck of a lot better than Brees was his first two years. Don't forget that the only reason they drafted Rivers was because they gave up on Brees. I'm not saying that Rivers will end up better than Brees or even continue playing well, but a QB rating of 96.3 so far this year is better than Brees was last year (but not in 2004).
Anyway, it's hard to say which player means more. The Saints are a completely new team this year, but they would not be in the playoffs without Brees. San Diego is a much more similar team to last year, except with Rivers taking over and doing a fine job. The difference is that LT has stepped it up to a new level. When San Diego gets into the red zone, it's basically a lock for a TD. There was a strech of like 15 quarters without a field goal attempt, even outside the red zone. LT has just been on fire, even when everyone is out to stop him. There are pleny of games where a W wouldn't have happened without LT. The stretch of Cinci, Denver, and Oakland for example.
PlatinumGold
Lifer
and i don't think the argument i saw earlier that brees is on basically an all new team and mcnair is the only significant difference for the ravens therefore mcnair is more valuable is a very good one.
it would seem to me that the fact that brees was able to put this season together with so many new components is in brees' favor. mcnair went to an already good team, good defense, good running game etc and was the missing piece.
brees went to a rebuilding team where many components changed and was able to put together an amazing run when it really wasn't expected of them.
PlatinumGold
Lifer
brees started 1 game his rookie season and was the starter his second full season on a team that wasn't nearly as good as the one rivers inherited.
Rivers watched brees for 2 full seasons and then took over the reigns of an already good team.
i'm not convinced that the comparisons of rivers now (with LT having an all time great season) to brees his first couple of seasons has any merit or says anything about the quality of either QB.
MVP = MOST VALUABLE PLAYER
with that being said, the chargers would be well above .500 if LT wasnt there. Given, they are worth more because he is...but they would still make the playoffs.
Look at Brees. Without him, the saints would not be in the playoffs. He has done a fantastic job or getting the team to rally behind him and making good decisions with the football.
Because of this, I think Brees is more valuable to the team he is on. LT is valuable, but i think the chargers would still be a good team without him.
meltdown75
Lifer
Brees
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The saints also got the second round draft pick in Reggie Bush so the record turn around isn't entirely attributable to Brees.
The chargers would also be a very good team without Tomlinson. 11-2 probably not, but probably 6-5 or 7-4
The Ravens have almost the exact same team as they did last year, but they are 10-3 versus their crappy record of last year. McNair is the difference - he brings so much calm and poise to the offense, that even the defense is strutting.
You cannot have an MVP discussion without including McNair. He is by no means the best player or even the best QB, but he brings so many intangibles that he makes the entire team better. This is what an MVP is.
LT should definitely win the offensive player of the year, but San Diego is still a good team without him. The Ravens are not a good team without McNair.