Whos gonna vote GOP in four weeks?

Zebo

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Iraq is a total disater
Iran is enriching uranium like madmen
NK got thier bomb

National Security is President Bush's strength? I hate to see his weakness.

Seems like we're much worse off with respect to the "axis of evil" than four years ago.

Osama and his motley crew are free too.

Please explain why you'd reward these incompetents by voting republican.
 

magomago

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I won't vote for him for pretty much the same reasons,

however for people who do...maybe they've made a lot of money these past few years? In the end it seems green backs dictates all
 

trylok

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Oh, people will. Some just out of spite for being wrong and stubbornness. The fundies will cast their abortion vote. But at the end of the day, people just don't give a crap.

We talk about the $300 billion or so that the war has cost so far. Put it in perspective: over the course of three and a half years we've spend the equivalent of about 3% of our annual GDP. Americans are not suffering for the war, many are suffering, but for the same reasons they were suffering before. It's something you watch on TV, then if you feel strongly about it, you put a magnetic sticker on your car. By now we're just like Pavlov's dogs. Ring the fear bell and we will salivate for "tough" leadership.

There's a chance that GOP won't win this election, but what really needs to happen is that the entire administration needs to be tried for war crimes, and this whole neocon imperialist movement needs to die off. That won't happen, so everything else is pretty much window dressing. How many Democrats voted for the war again?
 

Infohawk

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On the federal or local level?

Who? 1) Evangelicals. 2) People that think Republican economic policy outweighs their other policies. 3) People that vote racially (note I'm not using the word racist or saying Republicans are necessarily racist). I wouldn't be surprised if these groups were enough to keep the GOP in power.

 

Lemon law

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To Zebo,

As much as I would like to see you being correct---GWB is not running this year---with some GOP candidates are somewhat distancing themselves from GWB. The Republican base is still solid at about 25-30%--- who would never vote democratic. But lots of voters are very disillusioned this year---and how and in what directions events stampede the undecideds will determine the options for the next session of the congress.

Sadly events like the Foley scandal tend to be forgotten in mere weeks---Rove is also very clever at image---but I still am guessing that the democrats will need some additional real bad news for GWB to assure themselves of a majority in both wings of congress. The American voter is wising up---but are they wising up fast enough to sink the reublican control of
both wings of congress?---or even one?-----of the eight or so tight senate races---the dems need to sweep at least 7 to control the senate---odds not good for that hat trick at present.

 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
To Zebo,

As much as I would like to see you being correct---GWB is not running this year---with some GOP candidates are somewhat distancing themselves from GWB. The Republican base is still solid at about 25-30%--- who would never vote democratic. But lots of voters are very disillusioned this year---and how and in what directions events stampede the undecideds will determine the options for the next session of the congress.

Sadly events like the Foley scandal tend to be forgotten in mere weeks---Rove is also very clever at image---but I still am guessing that the democrats will need some additional real bad news for GWB to assure themselves of a majority in both wings of congress. The American voter is wising up---but are they wising up fast enough to sink the reublican control of
both wings of congress?---or even one?-----of the eight or so tight senate races---the dems need to sweep at least 7 to control the senate---odds not good for that hat trick at present.

GWB is running. From fear of a Democratic Majority and impeachment.:D YAHOOO!
 

IamDavid

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Iraq is a total disater.. Was before we invaded.. Will be till the end of time. I don't want to be there but I don't want them here.
Iran is enriching uranium like madmen ... This is Bush's fault how?? I think he should've attacked them instead.. Then left them..
NK got thier bomb.. At least we aren't paying for it like Clinton did.. There is no good option for N.K... China must take care of that mess, and they will.

National Security is President Bush's strength? I hate to see his weakness.

Seems like we're much worse off with respect to the "axis of evil" than four years ago.
I don't hink so, you might but I don't.

Osama and his motley crew are free too............. Sure they are, if you wanna consider living a life like they are as free.

Please explain why you'd reward these incompetents by voting republican....
Both parties are extremely poor when it comes to foreign affairs... GOP can't make up there mind. If you go to war you must go to win and destroy.. That's why it's called WAR... Dems wanna lay down to the United Nations as if tey have our best interest at heart. They'd all stab us in the back in a heart beat.

No one in there right mind can say GOP is better then DEMS or the other way around. Its all a crooked game.. So in the end vote for the only things that matters... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Everything else will work itself out.. Always has, always will. Iraqi's will kill each other, as will all others in that part of the world. Same as Africa. N.Korea will be taken over by China. And Iran will be attacked by Isreal at which point we will end it all for them. Just hope we don't try to "rebuild".. What a stupid concept. You must have something worth rebuilding. ie: Japan or Germany in WW2

 
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Blackjack2000

Originally posted by: IamDavid
Iraqi's will kill each other, as will all others in that part of the world. Same as Africa. N.Korea will be taken over by China. And Iran will be attacked by Isreal at which point we will end it all for them. Just hope we don't try to "rebuild".. What a stupid concept.

This, or something equally rediculous, is probably what about 55 - 60 percent of the country believes. That's why it's impossible to predict what they'll do on election day.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: trylok
Oh, people will. Some just out of spite for being wrong and stubbornness. The fundies will cast their abortion vote. But at the end of the day, people just don't give a crap.

We talk about the $300 billion or so that the war has cost so far. Put it in perspective: over the course of three and a half years we've spend the equivalent of about 3% of our annual GDP. Americans are not suffering for the war, many are suffering, but for the same reasons they were suffering before. It's something you watch on TV, then if you feel strongly about it, you put a magnetic sticker on your car. By now we're just like Pavlov's dogs. Ring the fear bell and we will salivate for "tough" leadership.

There's a chance that GOP won't win this election, but what really needs to happen is that the entire administration needs to be tried for war crimes, and this whole neocon imperialist movement needs to die off. That won't happen, so everything else is pretty much window dressing. How many Democrats voted for the war again?

Good post. (except it's 500 billion) I heard Hillary and Biden pushing to do something militarily about Iran...democrats and Clinton attacked Serbia dispite senate saying no.. Neither party is antiwar but I do think failures or picking the 'wrong fight' should'nt be rewarded. And that's not even getting into the hostility to the Constitution this president has or econmic issues. The president and his team picked the wrong fight. Lost every fight. I am generally conservative...would like to see taxes largly elminated..pro gun..don't like abortion but would'nt stop someone from having one etc.. But I won't vote for these clowns this time around. Failure has it's consequences.

 

IamDavid

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Originally posted by: Blackjack2000
Originally posted by: IamDavid
Iraqi's will kill each other, as will all others in that part of the world. Same as Africa. N.Korea will be taken over by China. And Iran will be attacked by Isreal at which point we will end it all for them. Just hope we don't try to "rebuild".. What a stupid concept.

This, or something equally rediculous, is probably what about 55 - 60 percent of the country believes. That's why it's impossible to predict what they'll do on election day.

How is this rediculous? Iraqi's slaughtered each other years befre Saddam took over so why wouldn't they keep doing it now that he's gone..
You really think China will allow anyone else to take over NK? Now that's rediculous.
And Isreal would love to take on Iran. The could never lose. We wouldn't let them.

 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
To Zebo,

As much as I would like to see you being correct---GWB is not running this year---with some GOP candidates are somewhat distancing themselves from GWB. The Republican base is still solid at about 25-30%--- who would never vote democratic. But lots of voters are very disillusioned this year---and how and in what directions events stampede the undecideds will determine the options for the next session of the congress.

Sadly events like the Foley scandal tend to be forgotten in mere weeks---Rove is also very clever at image---but I still am guessing that the democrats will need some additional real bad news for GWB to assure themselves of a majority in both wings of congress. The American voter is wising up---but are they wising up fast enough to sink the reublican control of
both wings of congress?---or even one?-----of the eight or so tight senate races---the dems need to sweep at least 7 to control the senate---odds not good for that hat trick at present.


People forgetting the foley issue is sad? IMO it's sad they remember it or dwell on it. It's a non-issue like Clintons problems. It's nothing compared to the debt, abramoff scandal and lobby situation in gennal, falling SAT scores nationwide, eroding infrastructuer, gap between haves and have nots and many other more serious abeit more complex issues hardly ever delved into by the press.
 

IamDavid

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Lemon law
To Zebo,

As much as I would like to see you being correct---GWB is not running this year---with some GOP candidates are somewhat distancing themselves from GWB. The Republican base is still solid at about 25-30%--- who would never vote democratic. But lots of voters are very disillusioned this year---and how and in what directions events stampede the undecideds will determine the options for the next session of the congress.

Sadly events like the Foley scandal tend to be forgotten in mere weeks---Rove is also very clever at image---but I still am guessing that the democrats will need some additional real bad news for GWB to assure themselves of a majority in both wings of congress. The American voter is wising up---but are they wising up fast enough to sink the reublican control of
both wings of congress?---or even one?-----of the eight or so tight senate races---the dems need to sweep at least 7 to control the senate---odds not good for that hat trick at present.


People forgetting the foley issue is sad? IMO it's sad they remember it or dwell on it. It's a non-issue like Clintons problems. It's nothing compared to the debt, abramoff scandal and lobby situation in gennal, falling SAT scores nationwide, eroding infrastructuer, gap between haves and have nots and many other more serious abeit more complex issues hardly ever delved into by the press.

falling SAT scores nationwide: That is the greatest failure of the past few administrations.. Clinton administration saw the best economy in decades yet did nothing for education.. GWB's programs may have been well intended but he had no follow through. Education is the only thing that will keep our country #1.. Unfortunatley nobody cares because it does't sell ads..
 
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Blackjack2000

Originally posted by: IamDavid
How is this rediculous? Iraqi's slaghtered each other years befre Saddam took over so why wouldn't they keep doing it now that he's gone..
You really think China will allow anyone else to take over NK? Now that's rediculous.
And Isreal would love to take on Iran. The could never lose. We wouldn't let them.


Damn I hate insomnia;

Iraqi's slaughtered each other because that's what the country was designed (by the British Empire) to do. To say that we shouldn't do anything to improve the situation, especially considering that we more or less control the country, is unbelievably cynical.

China will never take over NK. Neither will anyone else. NK's military is huge, nuclear, and has massive amounts of artillary aimed right at Soul. NK is probably capable of nuclear retaliation against SK, Japan, and China. No chance.

It is Israel that doesn't stand a chance against Iran; not without direct support from the US, meaning most of the forces would be ours. Weapons sales and under-the-table stuff wouldn't do it. Israel couldn't defeat Hezbollah in Lebanon (where they had our support), you think they have a prayer against a real power like Iran? Do you realize that they'd have to go through Syria, Jordan, and Iraq to even get to Iran? Ask yourself this: Iran is part of the same Axis of evil that Iraq was. Iran is openly enriching uranium in the face of the U.N. No one seriously doubts their intentions to build nuclear weapons. So why are we not attacking them? Hint: because unlike Iraq, taking on Iran would be a real war, and people would remember that war is not just a TV show, it's something to be hated.

Your geopolitcal outlook is frighteningly naive, your grasp of basic facts and history is just sad, and worst of all, you're political philosophy is fairly typical in this country.
 

Zebo

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... picking the wrong fight made even bombing Iran almost impossile. Taking out real threats impossible. Bush and the republicans spent all thier politcal capital on failed Iraq democracy project so that's another reason I think we need a change. Not favoring taking out NK but Irans capability, easily the #1 state sponsor of terror and discord in ME. I would'nt play around with ground troops or try this "democracy project" again.. Just take out the threat thats it. No money, no troops on the ground. If that takes 24/7 bombing for five straight years so be it. Of course the haliburtions and blackwaters won't like that. whom i really think this war was for in the first place.
 

Zyonix

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OOh OOh... I know this one.

Irwincur(MI) will vote (R) across the board. He'll even vote for the $60 million campaign spender, Dick DeVos. Check DeVo's previous campaign contributions; Bush should be sucking Dick's





bugs off from the front of his limos.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Please explain why you'd reward these incompetents by voting republican.

Because the alternative makes those "incompetents" seem very competent indeed.
 

Lemon law

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I had great hopes in 2000, 2002, and 2004---and got my hopes dashed each time---as GWB squeaked through each time and even increased Senate and House seats in 04.

But somehow the repubs always seem to sell national stupidity to a largely unthinking electorate---the repubs know how to sell and appeal to raw emotion---I have to give them that.
I keep telling myself that the American people will finally wise up in 06---but the repubs are going to have to shoot themselves in the foot quite a few more times before I become wildly overoptimistic---------never underestimate the power of a ignorant electorate---almost nothing will wake them up to the fact we are moving in the wrong direction.

But somewhere on the horizon Katrina and larger sized chickens of bad public policy are winging on in---planning to roost on GWB and the republican party---they are coming---but will they get here before 11/7/06?---that these chickens will all come home to roost there can be no doubt---but if they don't get here in time---they will just be another forgotten huge bill to pay.
 

nageov3t

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losing congress would probably be the best thing that could possibly happen for the republican party.
 
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Umm... I will. The alternative in my state is uber left-wing psychos that even the Democrats in Washington would shun. Besides, my senator and congressman have both been very effective for my state. (with the notable exception of ANWR)
 

compuwiz1

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Sadly, I was a Republican for many years. Currently, there is not a Republican in office, worth the powder to blow himself/herself to hell.

The fiber of this country is fast wearing out. When the seam finally busts, hide the women and children, because it's gonna be ugly :(
 

extra

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While I hate bush, and don't like either party, lets be fair here. We should blame bush for:

1. Our economy
2. Millions in prison because of an illegal drug war
3. Total fiasco in Iraq/Afghanistan
4. Terrible world image of the U.S. (this one is huge)
5. Loss of personal freedoms and liberties (this is going to bite us in the ass)
6. Much, much more

Lets not play the republican's game and blame Bush for stuff he had nothing to do with:

1. Natural disasters (stop trying to blame the feds for Katrina guys, get real here!)
2. North Korea (it isn't bush's fault that their "dear leader" is a stalin wanna-be)
3. Iran having nuclear intentions (place the blame where it belongs folks: IRAN)
 

Corbett

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I will be voting GOP because no matter how bad things are, they would be 10x worse if a democrat were running the show.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: extra
While I hate bush, and don't like either party, lets be fair here. We should blame bush for:

1. Our economy

Are you living under a rock? OUr economy is booming. Of course, no bush hater wants to admit that he is doing something right.
 

Adamah

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Originally posted by: magomago
I won't vote for him for pretty much the same reasons,

however for people who do...maybe they've made a lot of money these past few years? In the end it seems green backs dictates all

Wont vote for who?

Whos him?