Whoaa, craziness in A's game tonight

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Sideswipe001
SP33Demon,

ESPN's take on the fight

Sorry to not let this drop already, but Tim Hudson is my favorite player. How about we agree that no one is positive what happened? There no difinitive answer. We can go back and forth insulting each other's players, but what good would that do?

I see your point about someone attacking. And no, I don't think Zim was justified in going after Pedro. I thought it was pretty dang stupid. But then again I thought the whole fight was. It was just normal Yankee/Red Sox hatred being thrown about. I just think there was a better way to handle it than driving him into the ground.

Back on topic though, I don't believe an athlete should let anything a fan says get to them. Fans aren't rational. They are saying anything to screw with the other team. You need to not even listen to them. It's not like they have anything important to say to the athletes anyway. But there is a huge difference between words and throwing a chair. If they piss you off that bad, insult them back.

It does remind me of when I saw Griffey Jr (when he was still playing for Seattle) at a game. Yankees/Mariners in Seattle. I was in the standing room area of Safeco with some friends and a bunch of people getting drunker and drunker. They were razing Griffey relentlessly (no idea why there were in Seattle - I guess they were Yankee fans) and eventually he started mouthing back. You could tell he was pissed- but he didn't start throwing things.

I guess we can conclude that nobody will ever know what happened in Boston, I agree. But I still find it odd that Hudson would come out of a major game after 1 inning, yet he claimed to have been 100%.

Yup, it was the same thing with ARod jawing with Tek. NY somehow thinks that the world owes them something, like Karim Garcia swore that Pedro was throwing at him (why would Pedro want to put more men on base in a huge playoff game? lol), just as ARod swore Boston's worse pitcher threw at him intentionally. Yet, when Boston hitters get plunked they just go and take their base like professionals. It's always been that way with NY, that's why they are the most hated team in the league.

Basically the drunk fans are just looking for a reaction, they're attention whores. Players should not give them satisfaction of even acknowledging their existence... if it's too much to handle, then wear earplugs.

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Petey isn't a punk, a punk goes and starts fights/trouble outside of baseball. Pedro is a model citizen in the community, loves to sign autographs and do charities. On the mound he is fearless, not scared of anyone or anything and doesn't care who you are, he will pitch inside to you. But rarely has he injured anyone by hitting them (only time I can remember was when Jeter's hand got hit) and has never thrown at someone's head intentionally (like Roger Clemens). He is a model citizen and fierce competitor, you couldn't ask for anything more out of a ballplayer.

Let's ask Don Zimmer if he feels the same way.
Pedro being classy.

Pedro was assaulted and defended himself. Defending yourself is not an indicator of "class".

Let's see. Zimmer went crazy, why? Oh, that's right, Classy Pedro had throw a pitch behind Karim Garcia's head. There goes your "never thrown at anyone's head" theory. So Zimmer snapped. Yes, he charged at Pedro, it was like a 3 year old charging you. Took him forever to reach the mound. Pedro could have easily just stepped to the side and let him charge right on by. But no, Pedro, class act that he is shoves a 72 year old man to the ground. Good thing he "defended" himself against Don Zimmer. I mean the guy would have just beaten the crap out him. :roll:

Assault is assault, regardless of the perpetrator (sp?). That fight was Zimmer's fault alone, and he at least graciously took the blame.

If you get hit by a pitch, take your base. Zim and Arod crossed the line.

Well, a Red Sox fan calling Oakland fans classless is what did it for me. Anyone from the Ben Afflek school of fannism calling any other fan classless is really quite ridiculous.

This has nothing to do with Oakland fans IMO. No matter what they said, it doesn't excuse the Rangers' actions.

 

[Homerboy]

Fan behavior has definitely been getting worse and worse. The way they treat other people in the stands, the way they treat the players, it?s gotten pretty bad. If you go to games, we all know the stories, or have seen, objects being chucked from the seats: I?ve seen D batteries and smuggled in beer cans thrown.

Still, the players know what they are in for; it?s a part of the game now.
There is no excuse for throwing a chair into a crowd. It would have been a bit different if he had gone into the stands after a particular person. But he did not do that, and he is probably going to be suspended and fined, and will probably have a lawsuit pending against him.

Isnt this kind of hipocritical? Its "ok" to throw the batteries/cans becuase the athletes know what they are in for? Yet throwing the chair has no excuse? Whats the excuse for throwing the batteries?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
This has nothing to do with Oakland fans IMO. No matter what they said, it doesn't excuse the Rangers' actions.

Fans that should have been escorted out of the park have everything to do with it. If I was sitting next to him, even if I was an Oakland fan, I would have told him to shut the fck up and notified the usher to yank the punk. There's nothing worse than a.hole fans disrespecting our national pastime and ruining it for others.

 

[Banana]

the lady whose nose got mashed is actually the wife of the guy that Francisco was trying to hit! So now he will be rich after the lawsuit for provoking a player, that's just f'd up.

Interesting. Blame can be shared in a civil lawsuit, so what if the court finds Francisco 70% at fault and the husband 30%? Also, isnt it true that if you provoke someone, the "provokee" can be justified in his response? Gotta go watch those Law and Order reruns 😀

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
If you get hit by a pitch, take your base. Zim and Arod crossed the line.

AROD?!?!?!?!?!?! He was hit first by Varitek (a well-armored Varitek who didn't even remove his facemask).

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
If you get hit by a pitch, take your base. Zim and Arod crossed the line.

AROD?!?!?!?!?!?! He was hit first by Varitek (a well-armored Varitek who didn't even remove his facemask).

ARod didn't shut up and take his base, which provoked the fight. He got just as much time in the suspension as Tek, meaning that MLB agreed with the fact that ARod provoked the fight and couldn't be a man and take his base.

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
This has nothing to do with Oakland fans IMO. No matter what they said, it doesn't excuse the Rangers' actions.

Fans that should have been escorted out of the park have everything to do with it. If I was sitting next to him, even if I was an Oakland fan, I would have told him to shut the fck up and notified the usher to yank the punk. There's nothing worse than a.hole fans disrespecting our national pastime and ruining it for others.

I'd say throwing a chair is a bit worse than fan heckling, wouldn't you? If he wanted the civil approach which you just mentioned, that's fine, but it wasn't handled that way.

AROD?!?!?!?!?!?! He was hit first by Varitek (a well-armored Varitek who didn't even remove his facemask).

Arod literally asked for it and would have probably pounded varitek a second later had he not gotten smashed in the face. And Varitek didn't have time to think to remove his mask. It's no different than Tanyon Sturze trying to choke Gabe Kapler; neither of them probably realized exactly what they were doing. Not to say varitek wasn't at fault at all, but the blame shouldn't be as 1 sided as the Zimmer-Pedro fight.