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Whoa! O'reilly and Drudge are getting personal!
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That whole thing stinks. Paying stations money to carry your show? Laaaaaaaaaaame.
As for the "Kill Drudge" comments, while I didn't hear them I'd imagine they were said jokingly.
As for the "Kill Drudge" comments, while I didn't hear them I'd imagine they were said jokingly.
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<< That whole thing stinks. Paying stations money to carry your show? Laaaaaaaaaaame. >>
Yep, I agree. Doesn't it usually work the other way around? But O'reilly is just trying to go up against Limbaugh and beat him at his own game, so I'm sure he'll be willing to pay some.
<< As for the "Kill Drudge" comments, while I didn't hear them I'd imagine they were said jokingly. >>
Yeah, I wouldn't take anything said on Imus very seriously. But Drudge has a way of blowing these things up.
<< Yeah, I wouldn't take anything said on Imus very seriously. But Drudge has a way of blowing these things up. >>
I noticed, especially after I checked his homepage. One would think O'Reilly had put out a mob contract on the guy or something.
what's the big deal of him paying for his show to be put on the air?? They wouldn't let me talk for 30 seconds without paying.
It surprises me but in a way it doesn't,, since New York and Washington seem to lean wayyy to the left side on many issues, and Oreiley typically leans a little to the right
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<< what's the big deal of him paying for his show to be put on the air?? They wouldn't let me talk for 30 seconds without paying. >>
Yeah, but O'reilly got talent
The stations usually pay to carry a syndicated show. Hell, every station in the world pays it's talk show hosts.<< It surprises me but in a way it doesn't,, since New York and Washington seem to lean wayyy to the left side on many issues, and Oreiley typically leans a little to the right
>>WOR is not so much to the left. It carried the Bob Grant show for many years already. WABC in NYC is WAY to the right. Limbaugh and Hanitty made it big in the radio biz starting from WABC. Which is surprising, being that it's a Disney owned station.....
[The Presence:] "Yeah, I wouldn't take anything said on Imus very seriously. But Drudge has a way of blowing these things up."
LOL! I have to agree with you there. You are sooo right. Although I like to listen to Drudge report and I do not like O'Reilly, 'cuz I feel he's a liar and a hypocrite, I do recognise that Drudge is a dramatiser. :Q LOL! He's the type I would avoid ever living with as a significant other or roommate. I don't like all the drama . . . not my style. However, it works well for the business of news reporting.
[Net Guy SC:] "what's the big deal of him paying for his show to be put on the air?? They wouldn't let me talk for 30 seconds without paying."
To me, it's a big deal. The radio stations have always been the ones to determine what people would most likely like or what would provoke much audience. And in order to determine that, they also sought to see how much sponsors/advertisers they could attract to the host's time slots. It was on such basis they made decisions.
O'Reilly's conduct sets a precedent and could start to seem like the listeners have no voice any more--since positions are bought. It is more than likely that someone will follow in his footstep, especially those who could afford it even if they lacked the skill. Let's put it this way: It can be likened to the corruption that has plagued our political system with interest groups and wealthy individuals buying politicians.
Perhaps my point can and will be refuted. I do welcome it.
LOL! I have to agree with you there. You are sooo right. Although I like to listen to Drudge report and I do not like O'Reilly, 'cuz I feel he's a liar and a hypocrite, I do recognise that Drudge is a dramatiser. :Q LOL! He's the type I would avoid ever living with as a significant other or roommate.
I don't like all the drama . . . not my style. However, it works well for the business of news reporting. [Net Guy SC:] "what's the big deal of him paying for his show to be put on the air?? They wouldn't let me talk for 30 seconds without paying."
To me, it's a big deal. The radio stations have always been the ones to determine what people would most likely like or what would provoke much audience. And in order to determine that, they also sought to see how much sponsors/advertisers they could attract to the host's time slots. It was on such basis they made decisions.
O'Reilly's conduct sets a precedent and could start to seem like the listeners have no voice any more--since positions are bought. It is more than likely that someone will follow in his footstep, especially those who could afford it even if they lacked the skill. Let's put it this way: It can be likened to the corruption that has plagued our political system with interest groups and wealthy individuals buying politicians.
Perhaps my point can and will be refuted. I do welcome it.
To me, it's a big deal. The radio stations have always been the ones to determine what people would most likely like or what would provoke much audience. And in order to determine that, they also sought to see how much sponsors/advertisers they could attract to the host's time slots. It was on such basis they made decisions.
I am not getting your point. So you say it is ok for other to pay the radio stations for ad & air time, but somehow it is wrong when O'reilly does it? What make O'reilly differences from other pay clients? I have no problem if the station make a disclaimer before airing the show.
I am not getting your point. So you say it is ok for other to pay the radio stations for ad & air time, but somehow it is wrong when O'reilly does it? What make O'reilly differences from other pay clients? I have no problem if the station make a disclaimer before airing the show.
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<< This reporter is currently in London, England, not South Beach, and I have never smoked crack >>
No, you are usually neck deep up in it though. This guy makes Yellow Journalism look rather pale. Anybody that gives drudge any credibility must either be French or be mentally handicapped. Of course this was read on ATOT so it shouldn't be taken seriously.. like any of Drudges reports.
<< This reporter is currently in London, England, not South Beach, and I have never smoked crack >>
No, you are usually neck deep up in it though. This guy makes Yellow Journalism look rather pale. Anybody that gives drudge any credibility must either be French or be mentally handicapped. Of course this was read on ATOT so it shouldn't be taken seriously.. like any of Drudges reports.
" So you say it is ok for other to pay the radio stations for ad & air time, but somehow it is wrong when O'reilly does it? What make O'reilly differences from other pay clients?"
How the hell did you get that out of her post? The point is that this schmuck cant get airtime on his own merit so he has to bribe the stations with hundreds of thousands of dollars just to carry his program. Thats a bit different than paying for ad airtime. I think this sets a bad precedent.
How the hell did you get that out of her post? The point is that this schmuck cant get airtime on his own merit so he has to bribe the stations with hundreds of thousands of dollars just to carry his program. Thats a bit different than paying for ad airtime. I think this sets a bad precedent.
The point is that this schmuck cant get airtime on his own merit so he has to bribe the stations with hundreds of thousands of dollars just to carry his program.
You say he "bribes", I say he "pay" for the airtime. Like any business, if you give me this much money for a certain block of airtime, then it is business as usual. Some buy it in 30-60 second block (for X time per day), some do it for 30-60 minutes or more. (See any TV inform. lately?) Same concept. BTW, just for fun, call up a station (the popular one) and asks what is their rates for a 30 minutes at prime time. I would bet the quotes would be in the hundreds K or more.
You say he "bribes", I say he "pay" for the airtime. Like any business, if you give me this much money for a certain block of airtime, then it is business as usual. Some buy it in 30-60 second block (for X time per day), some do it for 30-60 minutes or more. (See any TV inform. lately?) Same concept. BTW, just for fun, call up a station (the popular one) and asks what is their rates for a 30 minutes at prime time. I would bet the quotes would be in the hundreds K or more.
crystal:
i dont think you're getting it. if you're some lamo off the street of course they're going to make you pay.
it's as if i wanted to buy half an hour of primetime from nbc to talk about my house. would they make me pay? yes, because no one would be watching. if however, someone like mel gibson wanted to run a show about his house, do you think he'd have to pay? no, because the station would get advertising money that would more than compensate them, because they know people will be watching.
o'reilly has to pay this amount because the station isn't getting enough ad revenue to make it worthwhile. and why aren't they getting ad revenue? because no one is listening.
i wonder if there is a nielsen for radio shows...
i dont think you're getting it. if you're some lamo off the street of course they're going to make you pay.
it's as if i wanted to buy half an hour of primetime from nbc to talk about my house. would they make me pay? yes, because no one would be watching. if however, someone like mel gibson wanted to run a show about his house, do you think he'd have to pay? no, because the station would get advertising money that would more than compensate them, because they know people will be watching.
o'reilly has to pay this amount because the station isn't getting enough ad revenue to make it worthwhile. and why aren't they getting ad revenue? because no one is listening.
i wonder if there is a nielsen for radio shows...
<< The point is that this schmuck cant get airtime on his own merit so he has to bribe the stations with hundreds of thousands of dollars just to carry his program.
You say he "bribes", I say he "pay" for the airtime. Like any business, if you give me this much money for a certain block of airtime, then it is business as usual. Some buy it in 30-60 second block (for X time per day), some do it for 30-60 minutes or more. (See any TV inform. lately?) Same concept. BTW, just for fun, call up a station (the popular one) and asks what is their rates for a 30 minutes at prime time. I would bet the quotes would be in the hundreds K or more. >>
Lession #1: TV and radio are different. Have you heard any 30 minute informercials on the radio?
Lession #2: Editorial/entertainment content and advertising are different. When is the last time you saw a news program on TV that was preceeded by the "paid" script that warns viewers that "the views expressed are not endorsed by the station"? It doesnt happen. Certainly not in prime time.
And as for your comment on prime time costs?! Thats the point, stations are balking at carrying him because of concerns over advertising and the number of listeners. So what does he do? (apparently) Agrees to pay 2-300K.
<< i wonder if there is a nielsen for radio shows... >>
It's run by a company called Arbitron Ratings. I dunno if they publish their results.
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<< i wonder if there is a nielsen for radio shows... >>
It's run by a company called Arbitron Ratings. I dunno if they publish their results. >>
I think they do
<< Looks like the al'mighty O'Reilly isnt as big (or popular) as people think >>
He #1 in his timeslot on cable news. Yes he is popular but radio is a completly new arena.
I hate to say it, but I think you guys applied a reverse form of discrimination. Would you raise a big stink about it if some nobody (with the money) pays a station some mega buck to spill his opinion on the air?
Think of it like this.
O'reilly: I wants to air my show at [a given time] for [however long]
Station: But Mr. O'reilly, those are our prime time. We generated this amount through ad & stuff.
O'reilly: I see. How about I compensation you for lost revenue + 10%.
Station: Wow, you got a deal.
Like any business if you want to pentrate and expands to a new group of potiential customers, then you have to pay for it. O'reilly wants to expand his viewerships and spread his opinions and willing to pay, then that is cool. BTW, if you think "O'reilly" and all those talk shows are not run like a business then you are a fool.
Think of it like this.
O'reilly: I wants to air my show at [a given time] for [however long]
Station: But Mr. O'reilly, those are our prime time. We generated this amount through ad & stuff.
O'reilly: I see. How about I compensation you for lost revenue + 10%.
Station: Wow, you got a deal.
Like any business if you want to pentrate and expands to a new group of potiential customers, then you have to pay for it. O'reilly wants to expand his viewerships and spread his opinions and willing to pay, then that is cool. BTW, if you think "O'reilly" and all those talk shows are not run like a business then you are a fool.
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