*** Who Won the Second Presidential Debate? ***

[TheDev]

I would say that Obama won this one.

 

[lotus503]

I agree

 

[HOWITIS]

obama either won or tied, and he only needed to tie to win. romney failed here

 

[First]

Yeah, Romney had some fight in him, for sure, but Obama mostly kicked the crap out of him, and got more of his facts right.

Great debate, really entertaining, both very good debaters.

 

[xBiffx]

Romney. Not because of what he said but simply because Obama didn't deliver. They both seems OK with flinging horseshit back and forth while everything smells like BS.

I blame a lot of the BS on the format and the moderator.

Romney just wins by default because this debate didn't change anything. Basically, tie goes to the challenger. Perhaps the next one will actually change something.

 

[TheDev]

that was such beautiful domination.

 

[Fritzo]

First part was pretty entertaining. The Libya question changed the tone of the debate and really pissed Obama off. The moderator correcting Romney's facts on that subject may have won him the debate.

 

[Ryan]

Obama clearly - not to mention that Obama AND Candy both shot Romney down over the Libya issue. The audience clearly supported the president at that moment, and Romney played right into a trap that make him look petty and willing to turn the death of a US Ambassador into a political issue.

 

[lotus503]

Obama clearly - not to mention that Obama AND Candy both shot Romney down over the Libya issue. The audience clearly supported the president at that moment, and Romney played right into a trap that make him look petty and willing to turn the death of a US Ambassador into a political issue.

Yup

 

[IGBT]

your obama sounded and LOOKED shaky and confused. The truth often does that to people that are in denial.

 

[Ryan]

your obama sounded and LOOKED shaky and confused. The truth often does that to people that are in denial.

Are you kidding? Romney acted like a spooked dog :twisted:

 

[First]

Obama clearly - not to mention that Obama AND Candy both shot Romney down over the Libya issue. The audience clearly supported the president at that moment, and Romney played right into a trap that make him look petty and willing to turn the death of a US Ambassador into a political issue.

This. It was sad watching Romney criticize the Libya attack as if the administration should be shamed for Americans being killed in the ME.

 

[MovingTarget]

I would say Obama won this one, but it wasn't an overwhelming victory. Mitt Romney, as fact-challenged as he is, came off as an ass but still managed to repeat his points often enough to go unchallenged.

The moderator was better than the first debate between the two candidates. I liked the moderator from the VP debate better, but this one seemed to hold her own somewhat. That being said, I hate the town-hall format and wish that moderators were given more effective tools to do their job. They should cut the microphones when time runs out. A high-school debate club plays by the rules more than these guys do.

 

[Fritzo]

NBC declaring Obama the winner this round. Their score: R: 1 O: 1

 

[IAteYourMother]

Romney. Not because of what he said but simply because Obama didn't deliver. They both seems OK with flinging horseshit back and forth while everything smells like BS.

I blame a lot of the BS on the format and the moderator.

Romney just wins by default because this debate didn't change anything. Basically, tie goes to the challenger. Perhaps the next one will actually change something.

Really? I always thought the tie went to the incumbent :hmm:

 

[shadow9d9]

Government doesn't create job, but I will create 12 million jobs as president!

 

[mshan]

As the debate went on, if you watched audience while Romney talked, you could see them tuning out.

And right after debate closed, Obama immediately went to engage audience, while Romney was standing alone till his family surrounded him to make it not so obvious he was just standing there all by himself.

After the debate ended, watch how many audience members came up to Obama to shake his hand or get an autograph, then a few Romney supporters figured out they have to throw out a lifeline and do same for him.

But even them, you could see vast difference in size of crowd around Obama vs. Romney...

 

[KK]

Obama clearly - not to mention that Obama AND Candy both shot Romney down over the Libya issue. The audience clearly supported the president at that moment, and Romney played right into a trap that make him look petty and willing to turn the death of a US Ambassador into a political issue.

Show me where he has said that it was an Act of terror?

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger.

Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.

Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.

Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.

It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.

Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.

Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America.

He said no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation.

Did he distinctly call this attack an act of terror?

 

[xBiffx]

Really? I always thought the tie went to the incumbent :hmm:

Normally, I would agree. But Obama is the one who had more to prove here.

 

[monovillage]

Romney won pretty easily. The best that can be said about Obama is he did better in this debate than he did in the last one, that's not saying much though.

 

[Balt]

I would lean toward Obama, but wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of uncommitted people consider it a draw.

 

[xBiffx]

As the debate went on, if you watched audience while Romney talked, you could see them tuning out.

And right after debate closed, Obama immediately went to engage audience, while Romney was standing alone till his family surrounded him to make it not so obvious he was just standing there.

After watching how many audience members came up to Obama to shake his hand or get an autograph, then a few Romney supporters figured out they have to throw out a lifeline and do same for him.

But even them, you could see vast difference in size of crowd around Obama vs. Romney...

That's pretty shallow. Even so, Romney was at a disadvantage from the start of the debate. He had zero supporters on stage since the questioners were allegedly undecided. Obama, on the other hand, clearly had at least one.

 

[Ryan]

Show me where he has said that it was an Act of terror?


He said no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation.

Did he distinctly call this attack an act of terror?

Christ - you must be one of the idiots who were against the president with the manufactured "you didn't build that" controversy.

Of course he was fucking taking about this attack - you're a complete fool and partisan hack if you think otherwise. Context, Context, Context - how many times do we have to beat this grade school drum to get it through your thick skull?

 

[SKORPI0]

NBC declaring Obama the winner this round. Their score: R: 1 O: 1

So this coming Monday we'll see round 3. Maybe a draw this time?

 

[shadow9d9]

Romney won pretty easily. The best that can be said about Obama is he did better in this debate than he did in the last one, that's not saying much though.

You could have typed that up and submitted it before the debate even started. Would have saved us all some time.