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Who with a Elsa Gladiac can proof that it has better 2D than the rest?

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ndee

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Thanx. If this is true, I'll buy me this card. If it has nearly the same 2D as a Radeon, what's the point of getting a Radeon?

Thanx
 
No GeForce 2 GTS video card has the same 2D quality as a Radeon. The only way to get the 2D even close to a Radeon is to do the RFI filter mod. Either do the filter mod or get a Radeon.
 
Can you explain what am RFI filter mod is? I imagine it's not a software mod since otherwise, I would've heard about this more often in the ongoing debate on 2D quality...
 
I agree, ATI image quality is right up there with Matrox.

I'm not a big believer in the RFI mod. I did it on my TNT2 and was not blown away by the results, it still does not even compare to my Radeon 64Mb or Matrox G100.
 
But do I understand it right, that the 2D of the Radeon is better than the 2D of the GTS, but the GTS isn't bad, just not as good as the Radeon. And the 2D of the GTS is just bad above 1024x768, right?

Thanx
 
"No GeForce 2 GTS video card has the same 2D quality as a Radeon."

"Here's the link on how to fix the poor 2D quality on GeForce video cards"



Somebody catch me because I'm about to fall over.

Well slap me on the ass and call me Tammy. I don't believe those words came out of Compellor.

This must be a dream...... or a nightmare. OMG, are those toes on the end of my hands? Have I fallen thru a crack in time? Have I been transported to another planet? Has the Nvidia fairy come and taken me away? Am I soaking in Palmolive?

Isn't it funny. Whenever anybody else describes the 2d of Nvidia as poor, they get attacked and called a troll. But a well known Nvidiot describes it as poor, all is good??

Hmmm, I think I'm starting to see how this works. 😉

 
2d on the radeon is good, the 2d on the geforce is crap. it is not "not as good" it is pure crap. You probably wont notice it very much at 1024 x 768 or lower, but at a resolution that i run which means exclusively 1600x1200, there is no way you can even call a geforce2 "fair" its just total trash
 
"the 2d on the geforce is crap."

"it is pure crap."

"its just total trash."


OMG Hans007, I can't believe you said those things. Now you will be called a troll and accused of being every other troll that has been here in the last 6 months. You will be branded an outcast and the Nvidia police will come and take you away.

It was nice knowing you Hans007. I will remember you my friend. 😉

hehe

 
ndee, well you should also ask about visiontek cards, as they are the company that manufactures Elsas stuff. A lot of those are the cheapest cards out there, a lot of people in forsale/trade forum were selling visionteks a while back. from what i've heard they are better, then again i've never used one, only asus and creative ones. I used to have an elsa erazor x sdr and well it wasn't any better than my asus geforce ddr , but that isnt the gladiac though. creative one was pure trash.
 
I have both an elsa gts ultra and a voodoo 5500 and have previously had a herc gtc, creative mx and a gef1 ddr out of all of these I would put the elsa at the top of the list. When using any of these cards I found no real difference perhaps 5% max in 2d quality at resolutions upto 1280x1024, As far as I am aware it is only at 1600x1200 that people are gettting problems. Personally I think the monitors are also a factor that people fail to take consideration of.
 
I doubt if you can get actual proof of 2D quality without seeing the video card AND monitor combination with your own two eyes. You can certainly gather lots of opinions, though.

That said, IMHO, I have a modded Gladiac GTS and compared it to a Radeon when I trying to replace my V5500. The modded Gladiac's 2D is at least comparable to the Radeon's and for that matter, the 3D is better than the default GTS - more saturated and sharper. With a few gamma tweaks, the GTS is very close to the Radeon's 3D. With both at default, though, the Radeon's 2D is sharper and the 3D is better saturated.
 
Just to let you know, the new beta driver for the Radeon has made the 2D even better. After the driver update, my screen has been sharper than before, which was already nice on the eyes!

The type of monitor will also determine the image quality, but I can vow that Radeon's image quality is on par with Matrox's now.
 
Hum, all this talk about 2D quality is making my head hurt. I have a better question. Who acctuly cares about 2D quality? As long as its there, its fine, a TNT2 even has fine 2D quality. I dont see why people would care about the slight differences in 2D quality in video cards. I do not know to many games that use 2D, unless people still play QUAKE1, which is dead.
 
Who cares about 2D quality? A lot of people do. My PC spends more of its time in 2D than 3D. I'm not talking about games. I'm talking about MS Office apps, web, Photoshop, Visio, etc. If you only use your PC for games, you are right it doesn't matter. For others, it does.
 
Who acctuly cares about 2D quality?

You're right - and you're at it, why not bring back 0.39 mm dot pitch monitors?
 
It seems a common mistake to compare 3D quality distinct from 2D. Does anyone really think a card with average 2D quality is going to going to be capable of excellent 3D quality?? Peshaw! The 2D depends on the base quality of the design and components and the 3D is a feature extension of that. Video quality for movies depends on yet more seperate features.

Supposing you could mod a Geforce and approach the base quality of a Radeon, well it still lacks features which make it inferior for 3D and video.
 
blame the manufacturers on the cheap sh!t ramdac filters they put on their cards in order to keep the costs down low...it has nothing to do wit the geforce core itself.
 
I don't doubt it is the Mfgr's fault. But why has this problem been going on since TNT1 days? Are the reference specs given to them too slack? Is it cost? Why do they spend money on stupid things like blue PCB's and gold ramsinks instead of providing a decent set of RF filters? The single reason I didn't buy a GF2 on my last upgrade was the crappy 2D. If that doesn't change, I won't even consider a GF3 next go around. I don't care whose fault it is.
 
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