Who will Kamala pick as VP?

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Stokely

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No idea, the prevailing thought seems to be that you pick a VP that "brings" something.

In the case of Harris, I think the thought is to pick a bland straight white dude to make the scared white dude independents feel more secure. And maybe pick one from a swing state, which presumably "gives" her that state.

Personally, I'd love to see Whitmer or Pete B but I also don't know much about the others. Another woman or a gay guy is probably a bridge too far for the good folk of this land to suffer in 2024. Maybe 2048.

Might be something to all that. I've read (maybe here?) that it's likely to come down to about a half million voters in a few key states deciding the POTUS, no matter what the overall popular vote is. Which IMO is pretty f'ed up.
 
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ondma

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Would it sway PA, MI, WI, VA, NV, AZ though?

Despite all the media hoopla.. 2016 is the wound that'll never heal! So I'm very cautious!
Yea, the electoral college needs to go. I think Kamala should win the popular vote, but winning the electoral college is much more problematic. Just such an outdated and archaic institution. Hell, without the electoral college, Hillary would have won in 2016, and perhaps Trump would have slunk back into the hole he came out of and not been heard from again. Can you imagine how different the country would be?
 
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Moonbeam

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Yea, the electoral college needs to go. I think Kamala should win the popular vote, but winning the electoral college is much more problematic. Just such an outdated and archaic institution. Hell, without the electoral college, Hillary would have won in 2016, and perhaps Trump would have slunk back into the hole he came out of and not been heard from again. Can you imagine how different the country would be?
Not as different as it would have been if the Supreme Court hadn't elected George Bush instead of Gore who the majority in Florida wanted.
 
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nickqt

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No idea, the prevailing thought seems to be that you pick a VP that "brings" something.

In the case of Harris, I think the thought is to pick a bland straight white dude to make the scared white dude independents feel more secure. And maybe pick one from a swing state, which presumably "gives" her that state.

Personally, I'd love to see Whitmer or Pete B but I also don't know much about the others. Another woman or a gay guy is probably a bridge too far for the good folk of this land to suffer in 2024. Maybe 2048.

Might be something to all that. I've read (maybe here?) that it's likely to come down to about a half million voters in a few key states deciding the POTUS, no matter what the overall popular vote is. Which IMO is pretty f'ed up.
It was ~43,000 votes spread between 3 states out of over ~158,000,000 total votes cast in 2020.

Biden just barely won. Electoral College total votes are deceiving since it's winner take all minus a few states.

Who Harris chooses as VP definitely matters, but probably not as much as Democrats getting voter turnout. That should be Priority #1.
 
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MrSquished

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It's pretty ironic that the evil Republicans are calling Kamala a DEI unqualified choice when really, her VP is going to be a DEI pick, that has to be a straight white milque toast man.
 
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IronWing

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It was ~43,000 votes spread between 3 states out of over ~158,000,000 total votes cast in 2020.

Biden just barely won. Electoral College total votes are deceiving since it's winner take all minus a few states.

Who Harris chooses as VP definitely matters, but probably not as much as Democrats getting voter turnout. That should be Priority #1.
This is why the Harris should pick a VP who appeals to the party's voters and not worry about mythical "independents".
 
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ondma

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This is why the Harris should pick a VP who appeals to the party's voters and not worry about mythical "independents".
So far, I have been impressed with her energy and the inspiration she has brought to the party. However, she still in the "honeymoon" phase, and is "preaching to the choir" so to speak, hammering on reproductive rights and attacking Trump's character. Both are legitimate issues, but I wish she would address the economy and the border crises. According to the polls i have seen, both these issues are at or near the top of voter's concerns.
 

trenchfoot

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This is why the Harris should pick a VP who appeals to the party's voters and not worry about mythical "independents".

Alas, a much younger Biden would have helped Harris the same as he helped Obama. Oh to dream the impossible dream. I do wonder about what would happen if Biden resigns now and possibly give Kamala and her VP a leg up on defeating Trump? Too risky? More downside than up?
 

IronWing

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So far, I have been impressed with her energy and the inspiration she has brought to the party. However, she still in the "honeymoon" phase, and is "preaching to the choir" so to speak, hammering on reproductive rights and attacking Trump's character. Both are legitimate issues, but I wish she would address the economy and the border crises. According to the polls i have seen, both these issues are at or near the top of voter's concerns.
So what? She needs to get the Dem base to the polls far more than she needs to appeal to anyone else. The Dems win by showing up.
 

Stokely

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It's pretty ironic that the evil Republicans are calling Kamala a DEI unqualified choice when really, her VP is going to be a DEI pick, that has to be a straight white milque toast man.

Yep. This "DEI hire" thing is just straight up racists trying to be sneaky about it. They are about as sneaky as a Scooby-doo villain. Every single election is always about trying to bring in demographics. Even if that demographic is white christian douchebag fascist bro. Trump doubled-down on that one, which is...questionable strategy in a country where white christian bros aren't quite the majority they once were.

Ask anyone who is terrified about the "border crisis" to explain what it is they are terrified about. It's a problem, but it's been built up to invading kaiju proportions and I wager hardly anyone even knows the scope or breadth of the problem, or what practical things can be done about it. It's just "barbarians pillaging at the gate!" screaming. When you are hearing abject morons saying "Biden's open borders" you know you are dealing with a high level of ignorance at best, lying at worst.
 
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Migrant Crossings Plunge 55%

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On one hand, this will provide a boost for the Harris campaign as Southwest Border encounters have been cut by 55 percent. On the other hand, the figures are still nearly double what they averaged during former President Donald Trump's administration ...
 

[DHT]Osiris

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IMHO, the VP choice is always a net negative and one strives to find the least damaging person. All a VP's positive attributes don't matter because they have no real power and any negatives are avenues for opposition attacks.
Gotta find the real equivalent of Brett Hand.
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manly

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It was ~43,000 votes spread between 3 states out of over ~158,000,000 total votes cast in 2020.

Biden just barely won. Electoral College total votes are deceiving since it's winner take all minus a few states.

Who Harris chooses as VP definitely matters, but probably not as much as Democrats getting voter turnout. That should be Priority #1.
The Dems main pathway to victory remains sweeping the Blue wall in the Rust Belt (there are other theoretical pathways but they are pretty unlikely). PA is semi-diverse, while MI and WI have a substantial white majority. These are the voters that will again decide the Electoral College, unless something weird happens.

High base turnout is always great but it won't matter if you run up the score in the "national popular vote," unless those votes show up in just the right places. Overall I think we're in agreement on the contours of the election; I do think a VP who appeals to Midwestern white voters will be important. There are various ways to get to 270 EC, but most current models suggest Dems can't afford to lose any of the above 3 states.
 

nickqt

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The Dems main pathway to victory remains sweeping the Blue wall in the Rust Belt (there are other theoretical pathways but they are pretty unlikely). PA is semi-diverse, while MI and WI have a substantial white majority. These are the voters that will again decide the Electoral College, unless something weird happens.

High base turnout is always great but it won't matter if you run up the score in the "national popular vote," unless those votes show up in just the right places. Overall I think we're in agreement on the contours of the election; I do think a VP who appeals to Midwestern white voters will be important. There are various ways to get to 270 EC, but most current models suggest Dems can't afford to lose any of the above 3 states.
2016 showed that the Blue Wall, if it exists, only includes Illinois and Minnesota in the Midwest. Ohio is a goner until they unfuck their gerrymandering, and Michigan/Wisconsin is anyone's guess. I'd count them as swing states. Pennsylvania isn't really Midwest, although I'd consider Pennsylvania a swing state too.

That said, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are probably must-wins...i.e. bellwether states that if they all go for a candidate, that candidate probably wins the whole thing. Split them up and who knows. A lot of people still sleep on a 269-269 EC tie where it goes to the House, which means it goes to Republicans.

For me, the most important things that Democrats should be working on:

1. Getting every Democrat who votes Democrat to the polls. Cut the political ad budget by 95% around September (they've all been ignored by that time anyway) and focus on getting people information about early voting (the best voting), absentee voting, mail-in voting, and in-person voting...and get them a fucking ride to their polling location.

2. Get the god damn young people who almost always as a majority or almost-majority stay home, to vote. Sure, there's fascist enablers and collaborators at all ages, but young people who still have optimism need to have that optimism championed by a candidate. I don't think these optimism issues are too difficult to parse out: abortion, marijuana, affordable housing/schooling, and jobs Also, make sure 1. above is applied to them, too. They all don't live in cities with great public transportation.

Don't get me started on the popular vote. It's a relatively pointless stat except as a review of how each state vote turned out. I've said it multiple times, 500,000,000 Californians can't elect the President. It's also the reason why national polling data is useless if it isn't divided by states, because who cares, again, if Harris wins every single Californian vote - Harris only needs 50.01% of them to win all of California's Electoral College votes.

The VP pick should be someone who isn't going to piss off edgy Democratic voters, and isn't going to spook "Independents", independents, "centrists", and Never-Trumpers. Which is why no one in the Democratic Party should say the fucking word gun over the next 4 months, for fucks sake, holy shit, why do I even have to point that out, oh my god.

I was sounding the alert back in 2020 that Biden barely beat Trump regardless of the EC vote totals. 43,000 people in 3 states gave Biden the win. Had Trump been even remotely not-dogshit during COVID, he'd have won re-election. Between dead COVID people and freaked out normal people, that 43,000 votes over 3 states was essentially a rounding error.

Get your people to vote. Get never-voters to vote. That's how you win an election, especially against a pseudo-populist right-wing authoritarian like Trump.

Luckily J.D. "Couch-Cushions" Vance isn't likely to help pick up very many more voters.