Who was your daddy? Evolution or Creationism.

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SurgicalShark

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Sheepathon
Why can't people accept the possibility that perhaps god created the earth and set the scientific parameters to allow evolution?

Cause I've never seen one scientific piece of evidence to prove evolution.

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KarenMarie

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i dont see why they have to be mutually exclusive.

From what I have read and seen on teevee... it is not impossible that there can be a muxture of the two.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Sheepathon
Why can't people accept the possibility that perhaps god created the earth and set the scientific parameters to allow evolution?

Cause I've never seen one scientific piece of evidence to prove evolution.

You don't believe diseases are becoming antibiotic resistant?

QFT...

He might be saying macro-evolution, but micro-evolution has been proven without a doubt. Life wouldn't survive otherwise. I support macro-evolution though as well. Old earth creationism can generally support the idea of evolution. Treat Genesis as a representation of era not days, but whoh really knows anyhow. It is a matter of belief/faith.
 

Firsttime

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Creation, because from what ive seen there is more scientific support for it then any other theory. Mainly because I can't find any way of explaining irreducible complexity without a God.
 

BurnItDwn

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Since the theory of Evolution has mountains of supporting evidense, it's about as proven as the theory of Gravity. Creationism or Intelligent Design has no place in science, they belong in Religion (unless physical proof/evidense supporting it can be found, NOT the ole "i don't understand it so it must be creation" bs.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Sheepathon
Why can't people accept the possibility that perhaps god created the earth and set the scientific parameters to allow evolution?

Some of them have. I believe that's the Catholic church's official stand. I think that's what Einstein said too.
But in response, why can't people accept the possibility that perhaps life spontaneously generated without divine influence? It goes both ways, people just learn to have to accept each other's beliefs peacefully. But they won't. If there's anything history has taught us, that's one glaringly obvious fact. A group will concede power here and there when they have to, but once they get the power back, they feel like they need to flex a bit so everyone knows who's in charge.
 

Gibsons

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Originally posted by: Firsttime
Creation, because from what ive seen there is more scientific support for it then any other theory. Mainly because I can't find any way of explaining irreducible complexity without a God.

There is no scientific evidence for creationism.

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Vic

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The most pointless meaningless argument in the world is how it all started. If you really care about how we got here, discuss human history. What happened before answers ZERO questions. Dinosaurs, God's Creation, and the Big Bang have no bearing on your life today.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Vic
The most pointless meaningless argument in the world is how it all started. If you really care about how we got here, discuss human history. What happened before answers ZERO questions. Dinosaurs, God's Creation, and the Big Bang have no bearing on your life today.

Indeed. Not much point in arguing over what happens when we die, either.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Vic
The most pointless meaningless argument in the world is how it all started. If you really care about how we got here, discuss human history. What happened before answers ZERO questions. Dinosaurs, God's Creation, and the Big Bang have no bearing on your life today.
Indeed. Not much point in arguing over what happens when we die, either.
I agree. I never argue over what may or may not happen after we die here, I simply argue in favor of the right of people to believe as they will.
 

Amused

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It simply amazes me that anyone of even average intelligence, much less above average believes in creationism or intelligent design.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: Vic
The most pointless meaningless argument in the world is how it all started. If you really care about how we got here, discuss human history. What happened before answers ZERO questions. Dinosaurs, God's Creation, and the Big Bang have no bearing on your life today.

I disagree. What happened before and what happens after we die have a bearing on how we live our life today. If one knows or believes that there's a heaven and a hell waiting for him, he's probably live his life differently. And if someone knows or belives that the universe was created by God, he's live his life differently too. Just my 2¢.
 

Firsttime

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Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: Firsttime
Creation, because from what ive seen there is more scientific support for it then any other theory. Mainly because I can't find any way of explaining irreducible complexity without a God.

There is no scientific evidence for creationism.

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That isn't true, even a hardcore evolutionist who knows what he's talking about will tell you there is evidence for creation just and a hardcore creationist will tell you there's evidence you evolution. Just wondering, where did life develop on land? Can't happen cause there's oxygen, and studies on your "4.5 billion year old rocks" have revealed higher levels of oxygen then allowed. Can't happen in water either, after all water is H2O
amino acids can't develop in an enviroment with oxygen.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Amused
It simply amazes me that anyone of even average intelligence, much less above average believes in creationism or intelligent design.
Well... if one has never personally witnessed the science of evolution, then any evidence provided is simply hearsay, is it not? So it really shouldn't be amazing, I don't think. In fact, the opposite could be true, where someone else will wonder how anyone could accept hearsay as fact, which itself is akin to faith (I am personally amazed how people believe half the bullsh!t they see and hear on the news). And whoops, that's where these arguments all begin. Very few people actually know, but everyone has their opinions and beliefs which they are eager to shove down everyone else's throats.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Firsttime
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: Firsttime
Creation, because from what ive seen there is more scientific support for it then any other theory. Mainly because I can't find any way of explaining irreducible complexity without a God.

There is no scientific evidence for creationism.

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That isn't true, even a hardcore evolutionist who knows what he's talking about will tell you there is evidence for creation just and a hardcore creationist will tell you there's evidence you evolution. Just wondering, where did life develop on land? Can't happen cause there's oxygen, and studies on your "4.5 billion year old rocks" have revealed higher levels of oxygen then allowed. Can't happen in water either, after all water is H2O
amino acids can't develop in an enviroment with oxygen.

That's not scientific evidence of creationism.
 

jspeicher

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creationism is based on belief and faith. I cannot shoot down what someone truly believes in, but i refuse to root my understanding of life on something i cannot see, taste, touch, or smell.

 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: Vic
Very few people actually know, but everyone has their opinions and beliefs which they are eager to shove down everyone else's throats.

Not everyone. I'm happy to believe what I do without trying to get other people to believe along with me. :)
 

SacrosanctFiend

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Originally posted by: Amused
It simply amazes me that anyone of even average intelligence, much less above average believes in creationism or intelligent design.

Where did all the material come from to allow evolution? It takes faith to believe in either of the two.
 

DAGTA

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Originally posted by: Sheepathon
Why can't people accept the possibility that perhaps god created the earth and set the scientific parameters to allow evolution?

Because then people wouldn't be able to take their extremist point of views and argue for hours about it.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Vic
The most pointless meaningless argument in the world is how it all started. If you really care about how we got here, discuss human history. What happened before answers ZERO questions. Dinosaurs, God's Creation, and the Big Bang have no bearing on your life today.

I disagree. What happened before and what happens after we die have a bearing on how we live our life today. If one knows or believes that there's a heaven and a hell waiting for him, he's probably live his life differently. And if someone knows or belives that the universe was created by God, he's live his life differently too. Just my 2¢.

Morality can, and does exist independantly of religion/deism. There are very logical reasons for morality. And the fact that basic morality is much the same accross cultures and religions proves this.

Morality is all about the golden rule. You want to be treated a certain way, and so do most others. Therefore, morality is born. Morality is rooted in selfishness. I do not want to be murdered, therefore murder is immoral. I do not want to be robbed, therefore theft is immoral.

No need for religion or mythical afterlives whatsoever.
 

purbeast0

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"my dad is a gynocologist. he looks at vaginas all day"

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