Who was your daddy? Evolution or Creationism.

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Amused
It simply amazes me that anyone of even average intelligence, much less above average believes in creationism or intelligent design.

Where did all the material come from to allow evolution? It takes faith to believe in either of the two.

No, it doesn't. "I don't know" is not faith. "Some mythical sky fairy did it" IS faith.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vic
The most pointless meaningless argument in the world is how it all started. If you really care about how we got here, discuss human history. What happened before answers ZERO questions. Dinosaurs, God's Creation, and the Big Bang have no bearing on your life today.

I disagree. What happened before and what happens after we die have a bearing on how we live our life today. If one knows or believes that there's a heaven and a hell waiting for him, he's probably live his life differently. And if someone knows or belives that the universe was created by God, he's live his life differently too. Just my 2¢.

Morality can, and does exist independantly of religion/deism. There are very logical reasons for morality. And the fact that basic morality is much the same accross cultures and religions proves this.

Morality is all about the golden rule. You want to be treated a certain way, and so do most others. Therefore, morality is born. Morality is rooted in selfishness. I do not want to be murdered, therefore murder is immoral. I do not want to be robbed, therefore theft is immoral.

No need for religion or mythical afterlives whatsoever.

and after your moral life, you DIE. NO HEAVEN FOR YOU!

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Amused
It simply amazes me that anyone of even average intelligence, much less above average believes in creationism or intelligent design.

Einstein, Darwin, and Galileo were amazing people to me, too.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vic
The most pointless meaningless argument in the world is how it all started. If you really care about how we got here, discuss human history. What happened before answers ZERO questions. Dinosaurs, God's Creation, and the Big Bang have no bearing on your life today.

I disagree. What happened before and what happens after we die have a bearing on how we live our life today. If one knows or believes that there's a heaven and a hell waiting for him, he's probably live his life differently. And if someone knows or belives that the universe was created by God, he's live his life differently too. Just my 2¢.

This system of morality was debunked centuries ago. Any person who believes that God is on his side, or that he must act in certain specific ways in order to please God, and uses that as the basis of his moral value system essentially has given himself a blank check for the worst of depravities.
Therein lies all the faults of Christianity, even though Christ's actual teachings regarding morality were entirely different.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Amused
It simply amazes me that anyone of even average intelligence, much less above average believes in creationism or intelligent design.

Where did all the material come from to allow evolution? It takes faith to believe in either of the two.

No, it doesn't. "I don't know" is not faith. "Some mythical sky fairy did it" IS faith.

You have faith it didn't come from creation.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vic
The most pointless meaningless argument in the world is how it all started. If you really care about how we got here, discuss human history. What happened before answers ZERO questions. Dinosaurs, God's Creation, and the Big Bang have no bearing on your life today.

I disagree. What happened before and what happens after we die have a bearing on how we live our life today. If one knows or believes that there's a heaven and a hell waiting for him, he's probably live his life differently. And if someone knows or belives that the universe was created by God, he's live his life differently too. Just my 2¢.

Morality can, and does exist independantly of religion/deism. There are very logical reasons for morality. And the fact that basic morality is much the same accross cultures and religions proves this.

Morality is all about the golden rule. You want to be treated a certain way, and so do most others. Therefore, morality is born. Morality is rooted in selfishness. I do not want to be murdered, therefore murder is immoral. I do not want to be robbed, therefore theft is immoral.

No need for religion or mythical afterlives whatsoever.

and after your moral life, you DIE. NO HEAVEN FOR YOU!

My reward for morality is a civil society and the rule of law.

I don't need a mythical carrot on a stick to know why morality is important.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vic
The most pointless meaningless argument in the world is how it all started. If you really care about how we got here, discuss human history. What happened before answers ZERO questions. Dinosaurs, God's Creation, and the Big Bang have no bearing on your life today.

I disagree. What happened before and what happens after we die have a bearing on how we live our life today. If one knows or believes that there's a heaven and a hell waiting for him, he's probably live his life differently. And if someone knows or belives that the universe was created by God, he's live his life differently too. Just my 2¢.

Morality can, and does exist independantly of religion/deism. There are very logical reasons for morality. And the fact that basic morality is much the same accross cultures and religions proves this.

Morality is all about the golden rule. You want to be treated a certain way, and so do most others. Therefore, morality is born. Morality is rooted in selfishness. I do not want to be murdered, therefore murder is immoral. I do not want to be robbed, therefore theft is immoral.

No need for religion or mythical afterlives whatsoever.

and after your moral life, you DIE. NO HEAVEN FOR YOU!

My reward for morality is a civil society and the rule of law.

I don't need a mythical carrot on a stick to know why morality is important.

Myths and fairies. How nicely you categorize the idiocy of millions upon millions of people.

 

[CKent]

Evolution.

As far as biogenesis, I see no reason to believe there was a guiding hand. Experiments have shown that electricity (lightning) + the primordial soup evidenced to have existed on our planet billions of years ago can yield molecules similar to bits of DNA and proteins.

On the other hand, maybe the Xel'Naga created us and we'll soon face swarm upon swarm of invading Zerg

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vic
The most pointless meaningless argument in the world is how it all started. If you really care about how we got here, discuss human history. What happened before answers ZERO questions. Dinosaurs, God's Creation, and the Big Bang have no bearing on your life today.

I disagree. What happened before and what happens after we die have a bearing on how we live our life today. If one knows or believes that there's a heaven and a hell waiting for him, he's probably live his life differently. And if someone knows or belives that the universe was created by God, he's live his life differently too. Just my 2¢.

This system of morality was debunked centuries ago. Any person who believes that God is on his side, or that he must act in certain specific ways in order to please God, and uses that as the basis of his moral value system essentially has given himself a blank check for the worst of depravities.
Therein lies all the faults of Christianity, even those Christ's actual teachings regarding morality were entirely different.

I'm not only talking about moral issues. There are other things you'd do differently if you believed in a God, a heaven and a hell, therefore it would have a bearing on how you lived today. That's all I'm saying. I don't know much about Christ or his teachings so I can't discuss that.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vic
The most pointless meaningless argument in the world is how it all started. If you really care about how we got here, discuss human history. What happened before answers ZERO questions. Dinosaurs, God's Creation, and the Big Bang have no bearing on your life today.

I disagree. What happened before and what happens after we die have a bearing on how we live our life today. If one knows or believes that there's a heaven and a hell waiting for him, he's probably live his life differently. And if someone knows or belives that the universe was created by God, he's live his life differently too. Just my 2¢.

Morality can, and does exist independantly of religion/deism. There are very logical reasons for morality. And the fact that basic morality is much the same accross cultures and religions proves this.

Morality is all about the golden rule. You want to be treated a certain way, and so do most others. Therefore, morality is born. Morality is rooted in selfishness. I do not want to be murdered, therefore murder is immoral. I do not want to be robbed, therefore theft is immoral.

No need for religion or mythical afterlives whatsoever.

and after your moral life, you DIE. NO HEAVEN FOR YOU!

My reward for morality is a civil society and the rule of law.

I don't need a mythical carrot on a stick to know why morality is important.

Myths and fairies. How nicely you categorize the idiocy of millions upon millions of people.

How nicely people negate every other religion and god but their own, and call them myths. How nicely people get offended when someone reciprocates.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vic
The most pointless meaningless argument in the world is how it all started. If you really care about how we got here, discuss human history. What happened before answers ZERO questions. Dinosaurs, God's Creation, and the Big Bang have no bearing on your life today.

I disagree. What happened before and what happens after we die have a bearing on how we live our life today. If one knows or believes that there's a heaven and a hell waiting for him, he's probably live his life differently. And if someone knows or belives that the universe was created by God, he's live his life differently too. Just my 2¢.

Morality can, and does exist independantly of religion/deism. There are very logical reasons for morality. And the fact that basic morality is much the same accross cultures and religions proves this.

Morality is all about the golden rule. You want to be treated a certain way, and so do most others. Therefore, morality is born. Morality is rooted in selfishness. I do not want to be murdered, therefore murder is immoral. I do not want to be robbed, therefore theft is immoral.

No need for religion or mythical afterlives whatsoever.

and after your moral life, you DIE. NO HEAVEN FOR YOU!

My reward for morality is a civil society and the rule of law.

I don't need a mythical carrot on a stick to know why morality is important.

Myths and fairies. How nicely you categorize the idiocy of millions upon millions of people.

How nicely people negate every other religion and god but their own, and call them myths. How nicely people get offended when someone reciprocates.

who's negating religions here other than you? i'm not offended either - i just like to have discussions with people who seemingly have it all figured out.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Amused
It simply amazes me that anyone of even average intelligence, much less above average believes in creationism or intelligent design.

Where did all the material come from to allow evolution? It takes faith to believe in either of the two.

No, it doesn't. "I don't know" is not faith. "Some mythical sky fairy did it" IS faith.

You have faith it didn't come from creation.

Um, no. I do not. I have no reason to consider creation or deities because I have no evidence of either. Why would it take faith to not consider something not in evidence? It wouldn't.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vic
The most pointless meaningless argument in the world is how it all started. If you really care about how we got here, discuss human history. What happened before answers ZERO questions. Dinosaurs, God's Creation, and the Big Bang have no bearing on your life today.

I disagree. What happened before and what happens after we die have a bearing on how we live our life today. If one knows or believes that there's a heaven and a hell waiting for him, he's probably live his life differently. And if someone knows or belives that the universe was created by God, he's live his life differently too. Just my 2¢.

Morality can, and does exist independantly of religion/deism. There are very logical reasons for morality. And the fact that basic morality is much the same accross cultures and religions proves this.

Morality is all about the golden rule. You want to be treated a certain way, and so do most others. Therefore, morality is born. Morality is rooted in selfishness. I do not want to be murdered, therefore murder is immoral. I do not want to be robbed, therefore theft is immoral.

No need for religion or mythical afterlives whatsoever.

and after your moral life, you DIE. NO HEAVEN FOR YOU!

My reward for morality is a civil society and the rule of law.

I don't need a mythical carrot on a stick to know why morality is important.

Myths and fairies. How nicely you categorize the idiocy of millions upon millions of people.

How nicely people negate every other religion and god but their own, and call them myths. How nicely people get offended when someone reciprocates.

who's negating religions here other than you? i'm not offended either - i just like to have discussions with people who seemingly have it all figured out.

But I DON'T have it all figured out.

What seperates me from the deist/theist is I can say "I don't know" instead of inventing mythical beings to explain the unknown.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vic
The most pointless meaningless argument in the world is how it all started. If you really care about how we got here, discuss human history. What happened before answers ZERO questions. Dinosaurs, God's Creation, and the Big Bang have no bearing on your life today.

I disagree. What happened before and what happens after we die have a bearing on how we live our life today. If one knows or believes that there's a heaven and a hell waiting for him, he's probably live his life differently. And if someone knows or belives that the universe was created by God, he's live his life differently too. Just my 2¢.

This system of morality was debunked centuries ago. Any person who believes that God is on his side, or that he must act in certain specific ways in order to please God, and uses that as the basis of his moral value system essentially has given himself a blank check for the worst of depravities.
Therein lies all the faults of Christianity, even those Christ's actual teachings regarding morality were entirely different.

I'm not only talking about moral issues. There are other things you'd do differently if you believed in a God, a heaven and a hell, therefore it would have a bearing on how you lived today. That's all I'm saying. I don't know much about Christ or his teachings so I can't discuss that.

All that is morality. The knowledge of right and wrong and how that knowledge affects actions.

I agree with Amused minus his slurs. Proper moral conduct does not require the promise of an afterlife, its reward is here and now.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: Sheepathon
Why can't people accept the possibility that perhaps god created the earth and set the scientific parameters to allow evolution?

b/c that would require faith, something not supported by the scientific method.

 

[Fraggable]

i can't believe this many people think living organisms created themselves.

EDIT: neither evolution nor creationism is scientific, so quit calling it that.

 

[MrToilet]

Evolution and "Creation" are not comparable. Evolution is a proven scientific law, albeit the extent of its role in the formation of new species is debated. (On that note, there is an interesting book called "The Beak of the Finch" if you want to see pure evolution by natural selection in documented writing.)

Creation, by its very nature, has obvious religious connotations. Therefore these two simply cannot be compared- we are dealing with two very different aspects of the human psyche.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vic
The most pointless meaningless argument in the world is how it all started. If you really care about how we got here, discuss human history. What happened before answers ZERO questions. Dinosaurs, God's Creation, and the Big Bang have no bearing on your life today.

I disagree. What happened before and what happens after we die have a bearing on how we live our life today. If one knows or believes that there's a heaven and a hell waiting for him, he's probably live his life differently. And if someone knows or belives that the universe was created by God, he's live his life differently too. Just my 2¢.

This system of morality was debunked centuries ago. Any person who believes that God is on his side, or that he must act in certain specific ways in order to please God, and uses that as the basis of his moral value system essentially has given himself a blank check for the worst of depravities.
Therein lies all the faults of Christianity, even those Christ's actual teachings regarding morality were entirely different.

I'm not only talking about moral issues. There are other things you'd do differently if you believed in a God, a heaven and a hell, therefore it would have a bearing on how you lived today. That's all I'm saying. I don't know much about Christ or his teachings so I can't discuss that.

All that is morality. The knowledge of right and wrong and how that knowledge affects actions.

I agree with Amused minus his slurs. Proper moral conduct does not require the promise of an afterlife, its reward is here and now.

I have made no slurs. Calling religion myth is not a slur.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: Amused
Um, no. I do not. I have no reason to consider creation or deities because I have no evidence of either. Why would it take faith to not consider something not in evidence? It wouldn't.

You have no evidence that evolution was the start of life, yet you still believe that it was. It must be easy to rest on I don't know

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vic
The most pointless meaningless argument in the world is how it all started. If you really care about how we got here, discuss human history. What happened before answers ZERO questions. Dinosaurs, God's Creation, and the Big Bang have no bearing on your life today.

I disagree. What happened before and what happens after we die have a bearing on how we live our life today. If one knows or believes that there's a heaven and a hell waiting for him, he's probably live his life differently. And if someone knows or belives that the universe was created by God, he's live his life differently too. Just my 2¢.

Morality can, and does exist independantly of religion/deism. There are very logical reasons for morality. And the fact that basic morality is much the same accross cultures and religions proves this.

Morality is all about the golden rule. You want to be treated a certain way, and so do most others. Therefore, morality is born. Morality is rooted in selfishness. I do not want to be murdered, therefore murder is immoral. I do not want to be robbed, therefore theft is immoral.

No need for religion or mythical afterlives whatsoever.

and after your moral life, you DIE. NO HEAVEN FOR YOU!

My reward for morality is a civil society and the rule of law.

I don't need a mythical carrot on a stick to know why morality is important.

Myths and fairies. How nicely you categorize the idiocy of millions upon millions of people.

How nicely people negate every other religion and god but their own, and call them myths. How nicely people get offended when someone reciprocates.

who's negating religions here other than you? i'm not offended either - i just like to have discussions with people who seemingly have it all figured out.

But I DON'T have it all figured out.

What seperates me from the deist/theist is I can say "I don't know" instead of inventing mythical beings to explain the unknown.

fair enough. i appreciate the chat. i don't know either, but i'm compelled by certain belief systems due to happenings in my own life. i have found however that respecting all theories and belief systems is the only true path to enlightenment. even though there is only one truth, i feel it will one day be stitched together with threads from from both science and religion alike. Grand Unifying Theory (GUT)? i'd have to dig out some of my old texts but i believe this is what it is commonly referred to. :beer:

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: SurgicalShark
I expect to see more votes to Evolution since most population on ATOT is in LOGIC and COMMON SENSE

fixed

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Sheepathon
Why can't people accept the possibility that perhaps god created the earth and set the scientific parameters to allow evolution?

Becaue then it would mean that we believed in a mythical entity.

god damn red, out of hiding to own someone back to the stone age

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Amused
I have made no slurs. Calling religion myth is not a slur.

I disagree. It's extremely disrespectful to others and contrary to their inherent right to freedom of belief.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

I'd like to point out that I don't BELIEVE in Evolution. It's a Scientific concept, it's meant to be UNDERSTOOD, not Believed In. There's a distinction, and it's important.

Jason

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: SurgicalShark
I expect to see more votes to Evolution since most population on ATOT is in Stupidity

fixed